Lord_Wrath wrote: »Just curious, whats typical unbuffed spell damage? I usually sit between 2300-400.
10.5 max magicka to 1 spell damage for most abilities. 40 magicka to 1 spell damage for weapon attacks
@Lord_Wrath You want to consider the cumulative strength of both your max magicka pool and raw spell damage. Here are two examples of unbuffed stats with the same cumulative strength:
50k magicka (÷10.5 = 4762) + 2200 spell damage = 6962
42k magicka (÷10.5 = 4000) + 2962 spell damage = 6962
Weapon attacks will be a little weaker with the first setup but other things that are buffed directly by max magicka like shields and pets will be stronger.
I think anything over 6500 cumulative strength is good. 7000+ unbuffed would be great. (48k + 2500 / 50k + 2300 / 52k + 2100)
alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »@Lord_Wrath You want to consider the cumulative strength of both your max magicka pool and raw spell damage. Here are two examples of unbuffed stats with the same cumulative strength:
50k magicka (÷10.5 = 4762) + 2200 spell damage = 6962
42k magicka (÷10.5 = 4000) + 2962 spell damage = 6962
Weapon attacks will be a little weaker with the first setup but other things that are buffed directly by max magicka like shields and pets will be stronger.
I think anything over 6500 cumulative strength is good. 7000+ unbuffed would be great. (48k + 2500 / 50k + 2300 / 52k + 2100)
How are we archiving the 42k magikca? even with food and purple enchants, im hitting 35k, where are we getting this other 10k?
Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »@Lord_Wrath You want to consider the cumulative strength of both your max magicka pool and raw spell damage. Here are two examples of unbuffed stats with the same cumulative strength:
50k magicka (÷10.5 = 4762) + 2200 spell damage = 6962
42k magicka (÷10.5 = 4000) + 2962 spell damage = 6962
Weapon attacks will be a little weaker with the first setup but other things that are buffed directly by max magicka like shields and pets will be stronger.
I think anything over 6500 cumulative strength is good. 7000+ unbuffed would be great. (48k + 2500 / 50k + 2300 / 52k + 2100)
How are we archiving the 42k magikca? even with food and purple enchants, im hitting 35k, where are we getting this other 10k?
A few things you need to get +40k magicka:
- 64 Attributes into Magicka
- Max CPs gets you around +20% Magicka
- Racial passives for Argonian. Altmer, Dunmer, or Breton
- Gold Magicka enchantments on all items
- Undaunted Mettle 2 passive which gives +6% to Health/Magicka/Stamina if wearing 1 of each armor type (Magicka users will wear 5L/1M/1H)
- Inner Light skill slotted along with passives gives +7%
- Bound Armor skill slotted if sorcerer
- Blue Health+Magicka food
- (optional) Set with +Magicka (Necropotence, Grothgarr, etc...)
Now you don't necessarily need all of these to reach 40k but every little bit helps. For example my max CP Breton Templar with Grothgarr is just under 44k magicka typically.
Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »@Lord_Wrath You want to consider the cumulative strength of both your max magicka pool and raw spell damage. Here are two examples of unbuffed stats with the same cumulative strength:
50k magicka (÷10.5 = 4762) + 2200 spell damage = 6962
42k magicka (÷10.5 = 4000) + 2962 spell damage = 6962
Weapon attacks will be a little weaker with the first setup but other things that are buffed directly by max magicka like shields and pets will be stronger.
I think anything over 6500 cumulative strength is good. 7000+ unbuffed would be great. (48k + 2500 / 50k + 2300 / 52k + 2100)
How are we archiving the 42k magikca? even with food and purple enchants, im hitting 35k, where are we getting this other 10k?
A few things you need to get +40k magicka:
- 64 Attributes into Magicka
- Max CPs gets you around +20% Magicka
- Racial passives for Argonian. Altmer, Dunmer, or Breton
- Gold Magicka enchantments on all items
- Undaunted Mettle 2 passive which gives +6% to Health/Magicka/Stamina if wearing 1 of each armor type (Magicka users will wear 5L/1M/1H)
- Inner Light skill slotted along with passives gives +7%
- Bound Armor skill slotted if sorcerer
- Blue Health+Magicka food
- (optional) Set with +Magicka (Necropotence, Grothgarr, etc...)
Now you don't necessarily need all of these to reach 40k but every little bit helps. For example my max CP Breton Templar with Grothgarr is just under 44k magicka typically.
alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »@Lord_Wrath You want to consider the cumulative strength of both your max magicka pool and raw spell damage. Here are two examples of unbuffed stats with the same cumulative strength:
50k magicka (÷10.5 = 4762) + 2200 spell damage = 6962
42k magicka (÷10.5 = 4000) + 2962 spell damage = 6962
Weapon attacks will be a little weaker with the first setup but other things that are buffed directly by max magicka like shields and pets will be stronger.
I think anything over 6500 cumulative strength is good. 7000+ unbuffed would be great. (48k + 2500 / 50k + 2300 / 52k + 2100)
How are we archiving the 42k magikca? even with food and purple enchants, im hitting 35k, where are we getting this other 10k?
A few things you need to get +40k magicka:
- 64 Attributes into Magicka
- Max CPs gets you around +20% Magicka
- Racial passives for Argonian. Altmer, Dunmer, or Breton
- Gold Magicka enchantments on all items
- Undaunted Mettle 2 passive which gives +6% to Health/Magicka/Stamina if wearing 1 of each armor type (Magicka users will wear 5L/1M/1H)
- Inner Light skill slotted along with passives gives +7%
- Bound Armor skill slotted if sorcerer
- Blue Health+Magicka food
- (optional) Set with +Magicka (Necropotence, Grothgarr, etc...)
Now you don't necessarily need all of these to reach 40k but every little bit helps. For example my max CP Breton Templar with Grothgarr is just under 44k magicka typically.
Now the stat spell power increases everything that scales with it at the same rate correct?
Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »@Lord_Wrath You want to consider the cumulative strength of both your max magicka pool and raw spell damage. Here are two examples of unbuffed stats with the same cumulative strength:
50k magicka (÷10.5 = 4762) + 2200 spell damage = 6962
42k magicka (÷10.5 = 4000) + 2962 spell damage = 6962
Weapon attacks will be a little weaker with the first setup but other things that are buffed directly by max magicka like shields and pets will be stronger.
I think anything over 6500 cumulative strength is good. 7000+ unbuffed would be great. (48k + 2500 / 50k + 2300 / 52k + 2100)
How are we archiving the 42k magikca? even with food and purple enchants, im hitting 35k, where are we getting this other 10k?
A few things you need to get +40k magicka:
- 64 Attributes into Magicka
- Max CPs gets you around +20% Magicka
- Racial passives for Argonian. Altmer, Dunmer, or Breton
- Gold Magicka enchantments on all items
- Undaunted Mettle 2 passive which gives +6% to Health/Magicka/Stamina if wearing 1 of each armor type (Magicka users will wear 5L/1M/1H)
- Inner Light skill slotted along with passives gives +7%
- Bound Armor skill slotted if sorcerer
- Blue Health+Magicka food
- (optional) Set with +Magicka (Necropotence, Grothgarr, etc...)
Now you don't necessarily need all of these to reach 40k but every little bit helps. For example my max CP Breton Templar with Grothgarr is just under 44k magicka typically.
Now the stat spell power increases everything that scales with it at the same rate correct?
No, not everything, each is slightly different (though may not be noticeable)
alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »@Lord_Wrath You want to consider the cumulative strength of both your max magicka pool and raw spell damage. Here are two examples of unbuffed stats with the same cumulative strength:
50k magicka (÷10.5 = 4762) + 2200 spell damage = 6962
42k magicka (÷10.5 = 4000) + 2962 spell damage = 6962
Weapon attacks will be a little weaker with the first setup but other things that are buffed directly by max magicka like shields and pets will be stronger.
I think anything over 6500 cumulative strength is good. 7000+ unbuffed would be great. (48k + 2500 / 50k + 2300 / 52k + 2100)
How are we archiving the 42k magikca? even with food and purple enchants, im hitting 35k, where are we getting this other 10k?
A few things you need to get +40k magicka:
- 64 Attributes into Magicka
- Max CPs gets you around +20% Magicka
- Racial passives for Argonian. Altmer, Dunmer, or Breton
- Gold Magicka enchantments on all items
- Undaunted Mettle 2 passive which gives +6% to Health/Magicka/Stamina if wearing 1 of each armor type (Magicka users will wear 5L/1M/1H)
- Inner Light skill slotted along with passives gives +7%
- Bound Armor skill slotted if sorcerer
- Blue Health+Magicka food
- (optional) Set with +Magicka (Necropotence, Grothgarr, etc...)
Now you don't necessarily need all of these to reach 40k but every little bit helps. For example my max CP Breton Templar with Grothgarr is just under 44k magicka typically.
Now the stat spell power increases everything that scales with it at the same rate correct?
No, not everything, each is slightly different (though may not be noticeable)
So More spell power is better overall? Im just trying to archive close to 3.5.-4k Spell Power that is shown on the character sheet. Would that be better then crit over all?
Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »@Lord_Wrath You want to consider the cumulative strength of both your max magicka pool and raw spell damage. Here are two examples of unbuffed stats with the same cumulative strength:
50k magicka (÷10.5 = 4762) + 2200 spell damage = 6962
42k magicka (÷10.5 = 4000) + 2962 spell damage = 6962
Weapon attacks will be a little weaker with the first setup but other things that are buffed directly by max magicka like shields and pets will be stronger.
I think anything over 6500 cumulative strength is good. 7000+ unbuffed would be great. (48k + 2500 / 50k + 2300 / 52k + 2100)
How are we archiving the 42k magikca? even with food and purple enchants, im hitting 35k, where are we getting this other 10k?
A few things you need to get +40k magicka:
- 64 Attributes into Magicka
- Max CPs gets you around +20% Magicka
- Racial passives for Argonian. Altmer, Dunmer, or Breton
- Gold Magicka enchantments on all items
- Undaunted Mettle 2 passive which gives +6% to Health/Magicka/Stamina if wearing 1 of each armor type (Magicka users will wear 5L/1M/1H)
- Inner Light skill slotted along with passives gives +7%
- Bound Armor skill slotted if sorcerer
- Blue Health+Magicka food
- (optional) Set with +Magicka (Necropotence, Grothgarr, etc...)
Now you don't necessarily need all of these to reach 40k but every little bit helps. For example my max CP Breton Templar with Grothgarr is just under 44k magicka typically.
Now the stat spell power increases everything that scales with it at the same rate correct?
No, not everything, each is slightly different (though may not be noticeable)
So More spell power is better overall? Im just trying to archive close to 3.5.-4k Spell Power that is shown on the character sheet. Would that be better then crit over all?
Well the equations are so slight that its pretty impossible to line up each ability etc. So if you want max magicka vs spell damage you should weigh:
Why magicka over Spell dmg:
Sorc Pets?
Wards size
Curse/Frag used more often
Why spl dmg over magicka:
Other forms of resistance (other than ward)
Using Clench and or other weapon abilities more often
Weaving
And posting pics on forums (lol)
Now about crit. I need to learn a bit more but Crit is considered King, the most effective and efficient way to increase dps. Uually if its magicka/spell dmg vs crit, crit usually wins.
alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »@Lord_Wrath You want to consider the cumulative strength of both your max magicka pool and raw spell damage. Here are two examples of unbuffed stats with the same cumulative strength:
50k magicka (÷10.5 = 4762) + 2200 spell damage = 6962
42k magicka (÷10.5 = 4000) + 2962 spell damage = 6962
Weapon attacks will be a little weaker with the first setup but other things that are buffed directly by max magicka like shields and pets will be stronger.
I think anything over 6500 cumulative strength is good. 7000+ unbuffed would be great. (48k + 2500 / 50k + 2300 / 52k + 2100)
How are we archiving the 42k magikca? even with food and purple enchants, im hitting 35k, where are we getting this other 10k?
A few things you need to get +40k magicka:
- 64 Attributes into Magicka
- Max CPs gets you around +20% Magicka
- Racial passives for Argonian. Altmer, Dunmer, or Breton
- Gold Magicka enchantments on all items
- Undaunted Mettle 2 passive which gives +6% to Health/Magicka/Stamina if wearing 1 of each armor type (Magicka users will wear 5L/1M/1H)
- Inner Light skill slotted along with passives gives +7%
- Bound Armor skill slotted if sorcerer
- Blue Health+Magicka food
- (optional) Set with +Magicka (Necropotence, Grothgarr, etc...)
Now you don't necessarily need all of these to reach 40k but every little bit helps. For example my max CP Breton Templar with Grothgarr is just under 44k magicka typically.
Now the stat spell power increases everything that scales with it at the same rate correct?
No, not everything, each is slightly different (though may not be noticeable)
So More spell power is better overall? Im just trying to archive close to 3.5.-4k Spell Power that is shown on the character sheet. Would that be better then crit over all?
Well the equations are so slight that its pretty impossible to line up each ability etc. So if you want max magicka vs spell damage you should weigh:
Why magicka over Spell dmg:
Sorc Pets?
Wards size
Curse/Frag used more often
Why spl dmg over magicka:
Other forms of resistance (other than ward)
Using Clench and or other weapon abilities more often
Weaving
And posting pics on forums (lol)
Now about crit. I need to learn a bit more but Crit is considered King, the most effective and efficient way to increase dps. Uually if its magicka/spell dmg vs crit, crit usually wins.
Well im at about 66% crit i figured i could drop 6% to increase my power by about 700 between magicka and direct spell power.
Also im a NB not a sorc lol
Also are Monster set Required for end game?
Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »@Lord_Wrath You want to consider the cumulative strength of both your max magicka pool and raw spell damage. Here are two examples of unbuffed stats with the same cumulative strength:
50k magicka (÷10.5 = 4762) + 2200 spell damage = 6962
42k magicka (÷10.5 = 4000) + 2962 spell damage = 6962
Weapon attacks will be a little weaker with the first setup but other things that are buffed directly by max magicka like shields and pets will be stronger.
I think anything over 6500 cumulative strength is good. 7000+ unbuffed would be great. (48k + 2500 / 50k + 2300 / 52k + 2100)
How are we archiving the 42k magikca? even with food and purple enchants, im hitting 35k, where are we getting this other 10k?
A few things you need to get +40k magicka:
- 64 Attributes into Magicka
- Max CPs gets you around +20% Magicka
- Racial passives for Argonian. Altmer, Dunmer, or Breton
- Gold Magicka enchantments on all items
- Undaunted Mettle 2 passive which gives +6% to Health/Magicka/Stamina if wearing 1 of each armor type (Magicka users will wear 5L/1M/1H)
- Inner Light skill slotted along with passives gives +7%
- Bound Armor skill slotted if sorcerer
- Blue Health+Magicka food
- (optional) Set with +Magicka (Necropotence, Grothgarr, etc...)
Now you don't necessarily need all of these to reach 40k but every little bit helps. For example my max CP Breton Templar with Grothgarr is just under 44k magicka typically.
Now the stat spell power increases everything that scales with it at the same rate correct?
No, not everything, each is slightly different (though may not be noticeable)
So More spell power is better overall? Im just trying to archive close to 3.5.-4k Spell Power that is shown on the character sheet. Would that be better then crit over all?
Well the equations are so slight that its pretty impossible to line up each ability etc. So if you want max magicka vs spell damage you should weigh:
Why magicka over Spell dmg:
Sorc Pets?
Wards size
Curse/Frag used more often
Why spl dmg over magicka:
Other forms of resistance (other than ward)
Using Clench and or other weapon abilities more often
Weaving
And posting pics on forums (lol)
Now about crit. I need to learn a bit more but Crit is considered King, the most effective and efficient way to increase dps. Uually if its magicka/spell dmg vs crit, crit usually wins.
Well im at about 66% crit i figured i could drop 6% to increase my power by about 700 between magicka and direct spell power.
Also im a NB not a sorc lol
Also are Monster set Required for end game?
NBs... lol he's my alt I wish I could steal some of those passives...
Anyway!
66 going to 60 is absolutely fine. Most people recommend 50% ish so you're good there. As a NB i feel max magicka is gonna be better for you over spell damage (remember you do want both!)
I like your statz. Btw 700 dmg well worth the 6% crit
alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »@Lord_Wrath You want to consider the cumulative strength of both your max magicka pool and raw spell damage. Here are two examples of unbuffed stats with the same cumulative strength:
50k magicka (÷10.5 = 4762) + 2200 spell damage = 6962
42k magicka (÷10.5 = 4000) + 2962 spell damage = 6962
Weapon attacks will be a little weaker with the first setup but other things that are buffed directly by max magicka like shields and pets will be stronger.
I think anything over 6500 cumulative strength is good. 7000+ unbuffed would be great. (48k + 2500 / 50k + 2300 / 52k + 2100)
How are we archiving the 42k magikca? even with food and purple enchants, im hitting 35k, where are we getting this other 10k?
A few things you need to get +40k magicka:
- 64 Attributes into Magicka
- Max CPs gets you around +20% Magicka
- Racial passives for Argonian. Altmer, Dunmer, or Breton
- Gold Magicka enchantments on all items
- Undaunted Mettle 2 passive which gives +6% to Health/Magicka/Stamina if wearing 1 of each armor type (Magicka users will wear 5L/1M/1H)
- Inner Light skill slotted along with passives gives +7%
- Bound Armor skill slotted if sorcerer
- Blue Health+Magicka food
- (optional) Set with +Magicka (Necropotence, Grothgarr, etc...)
Now you don't necessarily need all of these to reach 40k but every little bit helps. For example my max CP Breton Templar with Grothgarr is just under 44k magicka typically.
Now the stat spell power increases everything that scales with it at the same rate correct?
No, not everything, each is slightly different (though may not be noticeable)
So More spell power is better overall? Im just trying to archive close to 3.5.-4k Spell Power that is shown on the character sheet. Would that be better then crit over all?
Well the equations are so slight that its pretty impossible to line up each ability etc. So if you want max magicka vs spell damage you should weigh:
Why magicka over Spell dmg:
Sorc Pets?
Wards size
Curse/Frag used more often
Why spl dmg over magicka:
Other forms of resistance (other than ward)
Using Clench and or other weapon abilities more often
Weaving
And posting pics on forums (lol)
Now about crit. I need to learn a bit more but Crit is considered King, the most effective and efficient way to increase dps. Uually if its magicka/spell dmg vs crit, crit usually wins.
Well im at about 66% crit i figured i could drop 6% to increase my power by about 700 between magicka and direct spell power.
Also im a NB not a sorc lol
Also are Monster set Required for end game?
NBs... lol he's my alt I wish I could steal some of those passives...
Anyway!
66 going to 60 is absolutely fine. Most people recommend 50% ish so you're good there. As a NB i feel max magicka is gonna be better for you over spell damage (remember you do want both!)
I like your statz. Btw 700 dmg well worth the 6% crit
i just learned you dont even need a healer for trails, let alone a NB healer LOL all that work for nothing
I've got about 53.5 k magicka and 2100 spell damage on my main sorc (Argonian with necropotence) so I'm happy with that. Really interesting thread.
alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »@Waffennacht Hey what about useing weapon damage as a magikca based toon, and using this set to make it so your weapon damage can be used to make your spells damage even more?
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Pelinal's+Aptitude+Set
alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »I've got about 53.5 k magicka and 2100 spell damage on my main sorc (Argonian with necropotence) so I'm happy with that. Really interesting thread.
not sure what your second set is but you could try doubling up.
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Robes+of+Destruction+Mastery+Set