Grabmoore wrote: »

You are PvPer I suppose?

Your view of things is yours. I however wouldn't feel any accomplishment when using cheap tools, even if they are available.

Sorcs are ez mode, same for proc set stacking or MIAs add on.

In my view there is no skill involved, but that's me


@thread: Nerf Sorc! :P

I am a PvEr, run Trials and working on vet Maw every week. I would say there is/was skill involved.

Also, I used the build I typically use when I do vMA, so I assume you would say because I have a good vMA setup that took a while to construct and I would say takes skill to manage and play, that I am still an OP sorc?

Also in the screenshots I managed to take while dodging abilities from the boss, you can see the vet SO title, so I am curious as to how that made you think I was a PvPer...

Damn that was nice. Grats on the kill and the reward!

That skin's been so elusive to me. ZOS please add it to a tel var merchant already!

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Shazgob wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

I just solo'd Molag Bal in the IC sewers by myself as a Stam Sorc cp 477. Originally I was just doing it as a joke, thinking "hey, I did the 3 inner portals by myself, why not the last boss right? :P" Well turns out with enough roll dodging and timing, and ultimate lining up, I took him down! AND, TO TOP OFF THE CAKE, I GOT THE SOUL SHRIVEN SKIN!

http://imgur.com/yHcqFiX

http://imgur.com/d8Q2fuG

http://imgur.com/EHWhQbD

Not sure if this is a "Pshh everyone can do that, not impressive" but to me this is a big accomplishment.

Nice job, and for your efforts, Stam Sorc will now be nerfed to shreds by Zenimax at their soonest convenience! Last time someone solo'd middle, they implemented CP caps, hopefully your completion simply causes the class to be changed and doesn't hit the entire player base.

Any class (whether Stamina or Magicka) can solo the middle. Congrats to the OP for completing it though as it is not easy. Nothing will get nerfed.

lets see some proof of that.
there is none, only sorcerers since 2013 beta have been able to do the things recently being bragged about here on the forums.
there was a time dragonights had this much survivability and damage output but they had some nerfs.
some sorcerers here on the forums have even proven they have 55000 magicka damage.
other classes simply cannot compete with that.
its not fair, not in the least. eso is not class ballanced.

Sorcs have the most DPS is that what you're saying? (btw what does 55000 magicka damage even mean? DPS? Burst? Either way, any class can pull 55K DPS with proper group buffs and usually more than that. Burst? I've seen Merciless Resolve procs hit for over 60k with a Warhorn. In PvP? You're telling me that a sorc has more burst than a stamina nightblade?)

Well then you're wrong. Of all Magicka classes, DKs are the highest damaging class at the moment on PTS, Templars are a close second, while Sorcs are 3rd. Magicka Nightblades well... They did get significant damage buffs, but they are still last.
On live its pretty much the same as on PTS.
Of all stamina classes, DKs are the highest damaging class, followed by Sorc and NB who are pretty much equal. Templars are last. And next patch, stamina will only be good for PvP and vMA.

See the pattern here? DKs are the strongest DPS class in PvE in both magicka and stamina archetypes. If you can't pull as much DPS as a magicka sorcerer I suggest you review your rotation and GG (stands for "get good").

Sorcs have the most survivability is that what you're saying?

You're wrong once again. For magicka classes, everyone has access to a shield (Harness Magicka), and no one shield stacks in PvE. Nightblades are the strongest class in terms of survivability as they heal through dealing damage (Strife, Refreshing Path, Sap) and they get their resistances as a passive. They also have access to the most unique buffs like Evasion, Minor and Major Berserk, all through class skills. And the sustain is easy with Siphoning Attacks. Sorcerers don't have any sustain without group support, and when they do try to sustain on their own, they lose DPS. Templars and DKs also have horrible sustain without group support, but they still have more self-healing and defensive mechanics than Sorcs. Like I said, everyone has a shield, but everyone in addition to shields also has more healing/defensive capabilities.
Stamina classes are all squishy, the exception is obviously sorcerers with Surge. But once again they lack sustain and have to stop DPS to restore resources, whereas the other classes have much better sustain, especially NBs and DKs. Templars are just... bad.

No one is capable of doing what sorcs are doing?

You're wrong once again. Any content in the game can be cleared on any class, its the way the game has been designed. Sorc is definitely one of the easier classes to solo on, because of Pets. But magicka NBs are still more efficient in solo content, because you can actually have skills on your bars while being just as tanky and dishing out enough damage to clear the content.

Finally, I sense a very high salt level over here. Classes aren't balanced. But Sorcs are not OP.

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

So much hating on sorcs atm.

Nerf the player base I say. People are too beast these days. Give them some extra ping to play with.

Seriously that centre part isn't easy. It's so easy to die and make a mistake well done. It's actually quite hard on a sorc with shite sustain issues. Done it on my god like magdk but not on a sorc. Well done.

And @Vaoh for your post, lol well done. Soloing the overfiend is truly the pinnicle of soloing. I've tried many times and failed, well done sir.

Did you really just say resource managent on a Stam sorc is hard?

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

This is the only accomplishment I remember where the devs actually came out and said it was wrong and nerfs did follow.
Cool that you did it maybe they will buff Molag instead this time one would hope.

Yea, heres hoping they buff him a bit, maybe add in some more neat rewards like new skins/pets to his loot table to make IC a bit newer again.

Getting 9 gold and 3 key frags most of the time sure doesn't make going there and fighting him worth the effort.

I soloed Molag Bal, too. In the main story.



Good job!

Milvan wrote: »

Sorc, stam and magicka, does have a much better survivability than any other class. If you check the maelstrom scores you will see that the scores are much higher with sorcs than with any other class. I think that it's a great indicative that the sorcs are easily outperforming the other classes.

Anyway, soloing molag bag is a great achievment, congratz.

VMA sorc scores are mostly down to high ranged dps and overload, and their survivability comes mostly from surge. Surge is borderline op for solo pve. If sorcs do have an advantage over other classes it's because of surge. I say this because people can assume it's the ward that gets them good scores, but in reality the more you cast your ward the lower your score will be.

Magsorcs don't have easy access to snare removal, and although they have access to major expedition from boundless storm that isn't a skill you slot for vma if you're going for high score, same with streak. So min-maxed magsorcs going for high score are not very mobile and ward is kind of necessary if you get snared in red. In theory ward-less high score runs should be possible but positioning would have to be flawless which is unlikely with rng mechanics.

I don't disagree that magsorcs have a couple of the best tools for solo pve, but I don't agree that this means they generally outperform other classes. They just outperform other classes at vma and soloing dungeons.

Congrats well played

I don't see why Sorc's would/should be nerf'd, cause one person has solo'd Molag Bal? if everyone was doing it I would understand but most players will probably never even contemplate it let alone even manage it!

ESOUser0x00 wrote: »

What is your build like?

So a brief summary of what I was/am running (this is my vMA skill bar atleast):

Bow: Endless Hail, Bound Armaments, Critical Surge, Poison Injection, Caltrops, Suppression Field

Dual Wield: Vigor, Bound Armaments, Hurricane, Rapid Strikes, Rending Slashes, Rend.

Gear is: Kra'ghs purple shoulders and gold helm, gold Night Mother's Gaze armor, gold VO jewelry, gold Sharpened maelstrom bow, gold precise maelstrom axe, purple charged maelstrom dagger.

The main thing I was doing for the fight was roll dodging and putting dots on Molag Bal and refreshing as much as possible, while at the same time trying to get vigor on myself as much as possible as well as crit surge and hurricane. Whenever he spawned adds I immediately dropped suppression field and caltrops on them, as well as an endless hail (although most of my endless hails were put on Molag) to try and clean the adds up while they were stunned. All in all it was just a lot of avoiding red, self healing, DoTs, and praying no enemy players showed up.

This is insane! Congratulations on both the achievement and the skin!

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Shazgob wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

I just solo'd Molag Bal in the IC sewers by myself as a Stam Sorc cp 477. Originally I was just doing it as a joke, thinking "hey, I did the 3 inner portals by myself, why not the last boss right? :P" Well turns out with enough roll dodging and timing, and ultimate lining up, I took him down! AND, TO TOP OFF THE CAKE, I GOT THE SOUL SHRIVEN SKIN!

http://imgur.com/yHcqFiX

http://imgur.com/d8Q2fuG

http://imgur.com/EHWhQbD

Not sure if this is a "Pshh everyone can do that, not impressive" but to me this is a big accomplishment.

Nice job, and for your efforts, Stam Sorc will now be nerfed to shreds by Zenimax at their soonest convenience! Last time someone solo'd middle, they implemented CP caps, hopefully your completion simply causes the class to be changed and doesn't hit the entire player base.

Any class (whether Stamina or Magicka) can solo the middle. Congrats to the OP for completing it though as it is not easy. Nothing will get nerfed.

lets see some proof of that.
there is none, only sorcerers since 2013 beta have been able to do the things recently being bragged about here on the forums.
there was a time dragonights had this much survivability and damage output but they had some nerfs.
some sorcerers here on the forums have even proven they have 55000 magicka damage.
other classes simply cannot compete with that.
its not fair, not in the least. eso is not class ballanced.

This is true plus sorcs get a free 5 to 15k damage as a passive (emplosion) and that's against players it's probably double that on npcs.

OP,

I hate you. I completely hate you. Not because you did that solo, that is awesome work right there. I hate you because you got the skin that I have still never ever had drop for me.

JK
Neat that you also got the skin, I'm just jealous is all.

Shazgob wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

I just solo'd Molag Bal in the IC sewers by myself as a Stam Sorc cp 477. Originally I was just doing it as a joke, thinking "hey, I did the 3 inner portals by myself, why not the last boss right? :P" Well turns out with enough roll dodging and timing, and ultimate lining up, I took him down! AND, TO TOP OFF THE CAKE, I GOT THE SOUL SHRIVEN SKIN!

http://imgur.com/yHcqFiX

http://imgur.com/d8Q2fuG

http://imgur.com/EHWhQbD

Not sure if this is a "Pshh everyone can do that, not impressive" but to me this is a big accomplishment.

Nice job, and for your efforts, Stam Sorc will now be nerfed to shreds by Zenimax at their soonest convenience! Last time someone solo'd middle, they implemented CP caps, hopefully your completion simply causes the class to be changed and doesn't hit the entire player base.

At the rate of ZOS fixing things i would say you have another solid few years before a Stam sorc nerf

I did it again, this time while recording. Going to post the video so maybe one day, someone will watch it and be inspired to try and farm Soul Shriven, or atleast win a bet with someone :P