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Not dying as a Sorcerer
Neoicelord
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How do people level up as a Sorcerer without at least one of the summoned pets? it's like i NEED them to tank during mob pulls or else i am almost dead in 2 hits.
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Tempah✭✭✭Shields, surge? Resto staff healing springs if you use resto?Dro'mathra Destroyer, Gryphon Heart, Immortal Redemeer, Tick Tock Tormentor, The Unchained, Exstinguisher of Flames, Flawless Conqueror0 -
Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why not just use a pet, just to level. The clan fear keeps heat off you and mega heal.
But yeah you need a ward. And LA, Class and Restro wards are down the trees.
Health pots as a panic, good food help. Or alpt some heavy till you get LA passives no harmXbox One | EU | EP
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RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭Neoicelord wrote: »
On the other hand, if you are dead, you don't do any dps at all too. There are many ways to play a sorcerer. Pets is just one of them.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
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✭✭Neoicelord wrote: »
Surely dying is MORE counterproductive to being a dps than switching bars to heal yourself now and again if you need to? You're hardly doing much dps if your dead
If you are using pets, you could always use their heals too, in an emergency.Sorcerer, Templar, Wolf Collector, Housing Addict!
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Tempah✭✭✭Neoicelord wrote: »
You have dark deal for magicka and health back.
You have surge to heal you on crit hits.
You have shields as sorcerer.
You got bound aegis and boundless storm for extra resistance (not a heal but should keep you alive a little longer)
Use light armor shield skill
You got the twilight for a big heal.
enough options here.
And a resto is a good choice early on in the game if you don't have any self heals or shields from the sorcerer skill line .
Resto is great if you have no friend to heal you or if you don't have any self heals.
You can't do dps when you're dead
You have 2 bars if you are solo I would recommend using a resto as your back bar for your buffs and heals until you unlock surge and the shield from the sorcerer.Edited by Tempah on January 19, 2017 8:52AMDro'mathra Destroyer, Gryphon Heart, Immortal Redemeer, Tick Tock Tormentor, The Unchained, Exstinguisher of Flames, Flawless Conqueror3 -
Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What he said ^Xbox One | EU | EP
Beardimus : VR16 Dunmer MagSorc [RIP MagDW 2015-2018]
Emperor of Sotha Sil 02-2018 & Sheogorath 05-2019
1st Emperor of RavenwatchAlts - - for the Lolz
Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
Orcimus : Fat drunk Orc battlefield 1st aider
Scalimus - Argonian Sorc Healer / Pet master
Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
Fighting with [PvP] : The Undaunted Wolves
Trading Guilds : TradersOfNirn | FourSquareTraders
Xbox One | NA | EP
Bëardimus : L43 Dunmer Magsorc / BG
Heals-With-Pets : VR16 Argonian Sorc PvP / BG Healer
Nordimus : VR16 Stamsorc
Beardimus le 13iem : L30 Dunmer Magsorc Icereach0 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Every dps needs a heal to fall back on, like healing ward etc. You cant dps if youre dead.
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭"Can't dps if you're dead"
Oh god, so many wise men keep saying that and it's bollocks.
Can't heal the boss to death.
DPS heals by attacking. For sorcs, that's Surge and Blood Magic mainly. With Hardened Ward as an emergency defense. Dark Exchange is also good, if you have space.
Don't slot resto staff on a dps character, unless you're still leveling and don't have said skills.1 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭or you know you could put more in health - but there are lots of options depending on where you are in the level up bit.
but looking at mobs like say 3 man - rune prison one of the bad guys and leave them alone frag another (the hth guy so they have to get up and then close with you, and so forth to keep it at fighting the enemies one at a time even though they are outnumbering you - like in old kung-fu movies.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Neoicelord wrote: »How do people level up as a Sorcerer without at least one of the summoned pets? it's like i NEED them to tank during mob pulls or else i am almost dead in 2 hits.
Once you get the knack of the game, it isn't that hard. Before level 15, if your weapon is a restoration staff, use the second skill (regeneration), just before intiating combat and you will have a lot of survivability. In any tough fight, use the Storm Atronach ultimate. It is really strong in solo PvE.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
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Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭"Can't dps if you're dead"
Oh god, so many wise men keep saying that and it's bollocks.
Oh? So you've discovered some big secret method of doing damage while you're laying on the floor in a crumpled heap? Maybe something to do with the stench of your decaying body attacking the enemy's olfactory system? Or is it the sight of your blood oozing out and staining his brand new rug that causes him pain? Please, enlighten us."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."2 -
Lord_Wrath✭✭✭✭✭Resto staff is fine, i put my support skills there. Healing ward will save your life more than other self heals will.1300+ CP | Lørd Wrath | - Sorcerer - Palatine - Grand Master Crafter - 30000 Achievement Points
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭"Can't dps if you're dead"
Oh god, so many wise men keep saying that and it's bollocks.
Oh? So you've discovered some big secret method of doing damage while you're laying on the floor in a crumpled heap? Maybe something to do with the stench of your decaying body attacking the enemy's olfactory system? Or is it the sight of your blood oozing out and staining his brand new rug that causes him pain? Please, enlighten us.
I did, in that very post. Shame you can't read more than three lines.
You heal by doing dps, you learn mechanics to avoid oneshots, and you kill fast to ease pressure.
The moment you think about implementing hard defenses into your dps build, you become mediocre in your expertise and a sub-par choice for heavy content. Don't use Healing Ward on a dps character.0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@Lord-Otto
Blood magic first unlocks at 27 and Surge first at 30.
My suspicion thats not the ranges the poster has gotten into trouble at - but earlier.
@Neoicelord
Assuming you are talking early levels you need to consider somebof the skill you devrlop are transitional - they help now but later you dont need them. At early levels before shields, surge, dark magic, streak, dark exchange you must consider developing solo survival skills.
Later, esp in groups where others help with healing, you may not slot most any of the esrly skills you needed while soloing.
The first pet under summons line is available at level 1 during the tutorial practicalky. Its morph includes a potent heal. So does a morph of the third tier pet available at summons level 14 iirc.
Around skill level 12 one of the negate morph heals.
In addition to heals, skills that help isolate enemies like the roots and disorients available at skill lines second and third tier.
Its good to have an idea of where you will eventually get to, like a compass, but as the movie said following a compass dead straight might not be quickest if you walk off a cliff instead of cutting southeast to the bridge.
First survove soloing long enough to get good for dps grouping. If that means resto, pets, whatever, thsts what it means.
Or not... you will figure it out your way.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@STEVIL
Yup, you are right. But from my early experience, Lvl30 was where stuff became threatening.
People have suggested pets already, so I left it out. Maybe I should elaborate. Get Daedric Summoning up ASAP! Get Hardened Ward. It's the only hard defense you need and should be using.0 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭"Can't dps if you're dead"
Oh god, so many wise men keep saying that and it's bollocks.
Oh? So you've discovered some big secret method of doing damage while you're laying on the floor in a crumpled heap? Maybe something to do with the stench of your decaying body attacking the enemy's olfactory system? Or is it the sight of your blood oozing out and staining his brand new rug that causes him pain? Please, enlighten us.
I did, in that very post. Shame you can't read more than three lines.
You heal by doing dps, you learn mechanics to avoid oneshots, and you kill fast to ease pressure.
The moment you think about implementing hard defenses into your dps build, you become mediocre in your expertise and a sub-par choice for heavy content. Don't use Healing Ward on a dps character.
I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but you cannot do dps while you are dead. Nor can you avoid oneshots while you are dead. Nor can you kill fast, or medium or even slow for that matter, while you are dead. Please, I'd love to hear how any of what you posted disproves the concept.
Wait, did ZOS sneak necromancy into the game while I wasn't looking? Why didn't anyone tell me?!?! I've been waiting for that skill line forever!
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭"Can't dps if you're dead"
Oh god, so many wise men keep saying that and it's bollocks.
Oh? So you've discovered some big secret method of doing damage while you're laying on the floor in a crumpled heap? Maybe something to do with the stench of your decaying body attacking the enemy's olfactory system? Or is it the sight of your blood oozing out and staining his brand new rug that causes him pain? Please, enlighten us.
I did, in that very post. Shame you can't read more than three lines.
You heal by doing dps, you learn mechanics to avoid oneshots, and you kill fast to ease pressure.
The moment you think about implementing hard defenses into your dps build, you become mediocre in your expertise and a sub-par choice for heavy content. Don't use Healing Ward on a dps character.
I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but you cannot do dps while you are dead. Nor can you avoid oneshots while you are dead. Nor can you kill fast, or medium or even slow for that matter, while you are dead. Please, I'd love to hear how any of what you posted disproves the concept.
Wait, did ZOS sneak necromancy into the game while I wasn't looking? Why didn't anyone tell me?!?! I've been waiting for that skill line forever!
Necromancy can't reanimate brains, sorry to tell ya.
You shouldn't die in the first place. So you avoid oneshots. Healing is done best by something that procs off attacks, as this is your main job. Because, even if you easily stay alive as a dps thanks to healing ward, certain bosses require enough damage. Can't heal a boss to death.
Hardened Ward is your emergency defense. Everything else should come naturally through your rotation. Especially slotting a weapon and skills just for staying alive will cripple you. And in earlier levels, before you level resto and Healing Ward, you're so much better off leveling Daedric Summoning first.0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Neoicelord wrote: »
The term DPS only applies in group content. If you are alone, then the only person that is going to heal you is, well, you. Once you get power surge, you won't need it, but until then, grab a resto staff on your back bar.
As a magic sorc you should be leveling destro, resto, DW and S/B anyways.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »
The term DPS only applies in group content. If you are alone, then the only person that is going to heal you is, well, you. Once you get power surge, you won't need it, but until then, grab a resto staff on your back bar.
As a magic sorc you should be leveling destro, resto, DW and S/B anyways.
When I look back, Hardened Ward was the skill that changed everything. I would heavily advise to get it ASAP. So slot Curse, Familiar, Twilight, Atro and Bound Armor.
But you're right, DW and Resto also need leveling. Mayyybe S/B, that depends on the meta.
I would however, focus on those AFTER getting Hardened Ward and Elemental Storm.0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@STEVIL
Yup, you are right. But from my early experience, Lvl30 was where stuff became threatening.
People have suggested pets already, so I left it out. Maybe I should elaborate. Get Daedric Summoning up ASAP! Get Hardened Ward. It's the only hard defense you need and should be using.
i agree that by level 30 a character should be in place to have a solid suite - though not all - of the tools needed in a toolkit.Between bar swaps, tier-4 powers, plenty of morphs and such they have the tools to at least IMO "construct a build" and much earlier than that they are just really getting by and making do with what they have.
of course, that can be quite challenging for some.
heck, when i am in the developing levels (3-25) my slots-fillers are almost if not completely ruled by what i need to level to "can be morphed" skill-wise and skill line XP gain and so sometimes my developing level fights can look strange.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@STEVIL
Yup, you are right. But from my early experience, Lvl30 was where stuff became threatening.
People have suggested pets already, so I left it out. Maybe I should elaborate. Get Daedric Summoning up ASAP! Get Hardened Ward. It's the only hard defense you need and should be using.
i agree that by level 30 a character should be in place to have a solid suite - though not all - of the tools needed in a toolkit.Between bar swaps, tier-4 powers, plenty of morphs and such they have the tools to at least IMO "construct a build" and much earlier than that they are just really getting by and making do with what they have.
of course, that can be quite challenging for some.
heck, when i am in the developing levels (3-25) my slots-fillers are almost if not completely ruled by what i need to level to "can be morphed" skill-wise and skill line XP gain and so sometimes my developing level fights can look strange.
On my main magsorc, I leveled Dual Wield, Vampirism and Daedric Summoning. Was finished exactly before Sinmur, the very last normal enemy before him (EP). Was fun... NOT!
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Algraxa✭✭✭Is dying leveling a sorc even a thing? Seriously... I hardly ever die unless I am trying to solo a dungeon.
Stam Sorc with 2 Handed is brutal. Yes you need heals. pots, vampire, pet or staff when things get tight but I just weave in medium attacks for small continual heals and keep my shields up. If you are still getting owned go dual wield for the heals.
I am loaded with CP so perhaps that may be an issue for the OP?Edited by Algraxa on January 20, 2017 6:44PM0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »
The term DPS only applies in group content. If you are alone, then the only person that is going to heal you is, well, you. Once you get power surge, you won't need it, but until then, grab a resto staff on your back bar.
As a magic sorc you should be leveling destro, resto, DW and S/B anyways.
When I look back, Hardened Ward was the skill that changed everything. I would heavily advise to get it ASAP. So slot Curse, Familiar, Twilight, Atro and Bound Armor.
But you're right, DW and Resto also need leveling. Mayyybe S/B, that depends on the meta.
I would however, focus on those AFTER getting Hardened Ward and Elemental Storm.
Ward is powerful, no doubt. When I leveled my second and third sorc, I focused heavily into the storm calling tree to get surge and then into the Daedric summoning tree to get bound armor and ward. Ward is great, but its one of the last things you get.
When solo, surge is life. Its a power buff and a wonderful self heal. For example, this skill is the reason people think sorcs are OP in VMA.1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »
The term DPS only applies in group content. If you are alone, then the only person that is going to heal you is, well, you. Once you get power surge, you won't need it, but until then, grab a resto staff on your back bar.
As a magic sorc you should be leveling destro, resto, DW and S/B anyways.
When I look back, Hardened Ward was the skill that changed everything. I would heavily advise to get it ASAP. So slot Curse, Familiar, Twilight, Atro and Bound Armor.
But you're right, DW and Resto also need leveling. Mayyybe S/B, that depends on the meta.
I would however, focus on those AFTER getting Hardened Ward and Elemental Storm.
Ward is powerful, no doubt. When I leveled my second and third sorc, I focused heavily into the storm calling tree to get surge and then into the Daedric summoning tree to get bound armor and ward. Ward is great, but its one of the last things you get.
When solo, surge is life. Its a power buff and a wonderful self heal. For example, this skill is the reason people think sorcs are OP in VMA.
Naaah, it's Overload! Good thing next update is gonna nerf those mean magsorcs, so stamsorcs don't have to breath their air.
(^_-)
Surge is great, but DPStrom Arena is so focused on killing stuff fast, that any skill healing you by doing damage becomes overblown. Nerfing skills to excuse bad content is what the upcoming ult nerf is about.
But back to topic, Vampiric Drain also helped me, and I got it level 5.
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Lol I still get hit for 500k with streak and hardened Ward.Waffennacht wrote: »Once you unlock H Ward and Streak, you become immortal in PvEDro'mathra Destroyer, Gryphon Heart, Immortal Redemeer, Tick Tock Tormentor, The Unchained, Exstinguisher of Flames, Flawless Conqueror0 -
Catnight✭✭In PvE, get Encase (second skill on dark magic). Just root Enemys over and over and kill them. (Does not work on most bosses)
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USarmydrew09✭✭✭I don't know if this will help you but the way I have my sorcerer belt May help you
Five piece Necro, three-piece will power Inferno guardian shadow Mundas stone infused all gear jewelry spell damage.
Use your bird for your pet he will heal himself and to others and with him out more you get more Magica.
On my front bar Crystal frag's force pulls harder Morga on my front bar Crystal frag's force pulls found Angus Twilight monarch Inferno staff.
Back bar power surge, liquid lightning twilight monarch pound Angus harden ward lightning staff
With this set up your max Magica should be at 53,000 with food you're just ranked as long as you keep your ward up you can run vet dungeons as the tank and healer and DPS.
In trials my C frag hits for about 45,000 on cr hits for about 45,000 on crit Harding ward 23,000 pluse 33% and pet heals at critical 27,000
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