Magicka Templar Build for Next Patch

EldritchPenguin · January 2017

Hey, everyone.

I was reading into the notes for the upcoming patch, and I was wondering if I was going to have to adjust my planned gear setup to accommodate the changes.

I was planning to run 5 Mother's Sorrow/Julianos, 5 Burning Spellweave (DW), and 2 Grothdarr with an Inferno back bar. However, looking into the changes to the Destruction Staff, namely the 8% boost to single target/area damage on Flame and Lightning staves respectively, I was wondering if Dual Wield might not be the best way to go anymore. I realize that Templars tend to be really heavy on AoE attacks, so would it be best to run Lightning staff on my front bar for the boost to Sweeps (It would be a bummer to have to switch to Lightning entirely from Fire, since my Templar is a Dark Elf >.<), would it be better to run Fire staff to boost (the nerfed) Radiant Oppression, or would it be best to keep Dual Wield on my bar to benefit both with more Spell Power and an extra set piece?

I realize that a lot of this is speculative at this point, but it could be a very interesting discussion, so let's see what happens. xP

Thank you for your time.

PS: I've heard from a few sources that Backlash is a skill that I shouldn't usually run, but it overall has way more (albeit single target) DPS than Ritual of Retribution, and it's getting a buff. Is it actually a bad ability? Because I've had a lot of very good experience with it so far.

Siliziumdioxid · January 2017

I've watched this video from Gilliam the rogue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5iMn47A9n4
on 46:20 he pointed out something that appeared to him:

to already casted abilities the buff from ancient knowledge only applies if you stay on that bar. He demonstrates this with Elemental Blockade.

The difference may be that you want to cast skills if possible on Dual wield bar, but you want to spend most time on staff bar.

Siliziumdioxid · January 2017

Lightning may even boost your damage further: Let me explain:

Concussion implies Off Balance (Elemental Blockade)
Off Balance implies 10% more Damage (Exploiter passive- 75 points into thaumaturge)

It should be noted that Off balance is a debuff that can be applied to bosses (this patch) ultimately gaining the damage buff.
(besides the damage it has no other effect to bosses- works on one tamriel, dont' know if it works with the next patch)

The other thing to note: 75 points into thaumaturge would be a dps loss for other classes, but since templar has naturally 60+ points into it it doesn't hurt that much.

Why take Fire Blockade which deals slightly more damage when you can buff your overall damage with lightning?

Lashiing · January 2017

havent tested but my bet is inferno

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2017

The build you are describing is the current Meta as I understand it (with VMA back bar). I cannot answer your question, but what I would advise against dropping a buttload on MS swords until it plays out a bit. Half the Templars I know say they are switching to DK and the other half are still trying to figure it out.

@timidobserver ??

RoyalPink06 · January 2017

I'm super interested to know this as well. I was thinking about rolling a Magplar for DPS (my current Magplar is my healer). Can't decide between Dunmer or Altmer but I was thinking about going fire with inferno staff, Grothdarr and BSW, so probably Dunmer makes the most sense. However I have a Dunmer MagDK and I struggle with sustain - not sure if that's Dunmer-related or MagDK-related.

Not sure if back bar should be dual wield or lightning staff, either.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2017

RoyalPink06 wrote: »

I'm super interested to know this as well. I was thinking about rolling a Magplar for DPS (my current Magplar is my healer). Can't decide between Dunmer or Altmer but I was thinking about going fire with inferno staff, Grothdarr and BSW, so probably Dunmer makes the most sense. However I have a Dunmer MagDK and I struggle with sustain - not sure if that's Dunmer-related or MagDK-related.

Not sure if back bar should be dual wield or lightning staff, either.

Again, not a magplar expert, but a third of our raid are magplars. Most say that dunmer is best DPS on paper, but they prefer Altmer because sustain is very tough on a templar. Again hard to know how that will play out. If a lightning staff makes its way into the build, then Altmer will definitely be better. Also, Elemental Drain (which sucks for templars) is being reworked so it will acutally be usufull. That combined with CP, and you might actually see sustain get a touch better for them (prob worse for everyone else).

This is sort of that grey area pre-patch. It's all guess work until things go live. Probably not the time to buy new gear in any event.

Mr_Nobody · January 2017

As for PvP...

Stamplars may be the new meta because of all the changes and cost reductions.

Magplars will be in a very situational tanky & melee place with some aoe damage presence, most likely under DW or Lighting staff boost to aoe attacks (sweeps, has anyone really tested it?)

Fire staff for Gankplars to rek people with Flare->Javelin->Vamps Bane->Beam. That combo has been, is, and will be very strong. Miats addon is shutting the first part by a lot but even then it still often catches people off guard.

Myself am not sure what to run next patch, the Fire one shotting is fun for a night or two but then gets boring. How do people manage to play these tanky boring ones - idk (considering the upcoming Ice staff, even more boring). Melee hybrid lighting staff magplar? Maybe.

Beam will still be very very strong and peeps are still going to see 30k+ recaps.

omfgitsbatman · January 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

RoyalPink06 wrote: »

I'm super interested to know this as well. I was thinking about rolling a Magplar for DPS (my current Magplar is my healer). Can't decide between Dunmer or Altmer but I was thinking about going fire with inferno staff, Grothdarr and BSW, so probably Dunmer makes the most sense. However I have a Dunmer MagDK and I struggle with sustain - not sure if that's Dunmer-related or MagDK-related.

Not sure if back bar should be dual wield or lightning staff, either.

Again, not a magplar expert, but a third of our raid are magplars. Most say that dunmer is best DPS on paper, but they prefer Altmer because sustain is very tough on a templar. Again hard to know how that will play out. If a lightning staff makes its way into the build, then Altmer will definitely be better. Also, Elemental Drain (which sucks for templars) is being reworked so it will acutally be usufull. That combined with CP, and you might actually see sustain get a touch better for them (prob worse for everyone else).

This is sort of that grey area pre-patch. It's all guess work until things go live. Probably not the time to buy new gear in any event.

Oh, templar sustain has become INSANE on the pts. Even with dual wield

EldritchPenguin · January 2017

RoyalPink06 wrote: »

I'm super interested to know this as well. I was thinking about rolling a Magplar for DPS (my current Magplar is my healer). Can't decide between Dunmer or Altmer but I was thinking about going fire with inferno staff, Grothdarr and BSW, so probably Dunmer makes the most sense. However I have a Dunmer MagDK and I struggle with sustain - not sure if that's Dunmer-related or MagDK-related.

Not sure if back bar should be dual wield or lightning staff, either.

I think I've figured it out.

Front bar should still be Dual Wield. Twin Blade and Blunt boosts all of your damage by 5%, which applies to both single target and AoE attacks. The extra set piece can easily make up for the 3% difference and then some.

As for Inferno vs Lightning back bar, it might be a bit of a wash. Flame Blockade deals additional damage to targets afflicted with Burning, and makes it extremely comfortable to proc Burning Spellweave (which is stronger than Julianos if you can get a reliable uptime). Lightning, on the other hand, boosts your entire team's DPS by 8% via Minor Vulnerability, as well as boosting all of your abilities.

I'd say that in an ideal situation, you'd get one person in a 4-man group running Lightning Blockade for reliable uptime on Minor Vulnerability, while the other DD is better off running Inferno.

As for race, Altmer is probably the safer bet, because you'll have better sustain and more comfortably be able to switch between Lightning and Inferno, but Dunmer with an Inferno staff would be more DPS.

EldritchPenguin · January 2017

Siliziumdioxid wrote: »

Lightning may even boost your damage further: Let me explain:

Concussion implies Off Balance (Elemental Blockade)
Off Balance implies 10% more Damage (Exploiter passive- 75 points into thaumaturge)

It should be noted that Off balance is a debuff that can be applied to bosses (this patch) ultimately gaining the damage buff.
(besides the damage it has no other effect to bosses- works on one tamriel, dont' know if it works with the next patch)

The other thing to note: 75 points into thaumaturge would be a dps loss for other classes, but since templar has naturally 60+ points into it it doesn't hurt that much.

Why take Fire Blockade which deals slightly more damage when you can buff your overall damage with lightning?

Because I've already farmed BSW for my Templar, because I'm playing as a Dark Elf and don't want to feel like I'm objectively inferior to a High Elf, and because I don't actually have enough CP's to put 75 into Thaumaturge yet without taking all of my points out of Elemental Expert. =P

Siliziumdioxid · January 2017

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Siliziumdioxid wrote: »

Lightning may even boost your damage further: Let me explain:

Concussion implies Off Balance (Elemental Blockade)
Off Balance implies 10% more Damage (Exploiter passive- 75 points into thaumaturge)

It should be noted that Off balance is a debuff that can be applied to bosses (this patch) ultimately gaining the damage buff.
(besides the damage it has no other effect to bosses- works on one tamriel, dont' know if it works with the next patch)

The other thing to note: 75 points into thaumaturge would be a dps loss for other classes, but since templar has naturally 60+ points into it it doesn't hurt that much.

Why take Fire Blockade which deals slightly more damage when you can buff your overall damage with lightning?

Because I've already farmed BSW for my Templar, because I'm playing as a Dark Elf and don't want to feel like I'm objectively inferior to a High Elf, and because I don't actually have enough CP's to put 75 into Thaumaturge yet without taking all of my points out of Elemental Expert. =P

Valid argument

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