Stamplars are dead in next patch?

darkllord · January 2017

Can somebody tell me the reason why? I cant put the finger on it. I hear it from all directions, but dont know why. Am I missing something important?

Rex-Umbra · January 2017

They are the most buffed class on PTS.

Lieblingsjunge · January 2017

Stamplars are gonna be stronger next patch.
Crescent Sweep scales with Stamina(QQ my favourite Magplar ultimate, rip).
Jabs' cost gets decreased by ~20%
^That's just some of the changes. There's a lot more in the notes, but those 2 are the ones I feel will matter the most anyway.

Browiseth · January 2017

Were stamplars ever alive?

*le man that trolls people face here*

Syiccal · January 2017

still no sustain 1v1

Dagoth_Rac · January 2017

They are gonna be much improved in PvP. Still bad in PvE, though.

Kadoozy · January 2017

Pve stamplar will be worse off, yes. But that is due to the changes to crit and rearming trap.

Pvp stamplar on the other hand is going to be awesome. Probably will see an uptick in the amount of people playing it

bikerangelo · January 2017

Kadoozy wrote: »

Pve stamplar will be worse off, yes. But that is due to the changes to crit and rearming trap.

Pvp stamplar on the other hand is going to be awesome. Probably will see an uptick in the amount of people playing it

Trap is mostly used for Minor Force, which thankfully hasn't been touched. Stamplar definitely isn't dead, and if you relied on proc sets to crit before to get higher parses, you'll just have to find other straight damage buff sets. Burning Light is still a strong proc, and sustain overall will be significantly improved now that the cost of jabs is fixed. On full cost reduction builds, it's coming in at around 1300-1400 stamina per usage, (100 in warlord, 5 medium & VO reduction).

PvP stamplar has always been strong and will be even stronger. Binding Javelin hits like a bullet now, and jabs going through dodge roll (as all aoe's should) will definitely help with making them easier to land.

Crescent sweep is an unneeded buff, IMO, and the stam scaling should've been aplied to Empowering Sweep. Dawnbreaker still does almost twice the initial damage that Crescent does, and the CC from DB with the strong DoT make up for the higher cost. Sweep just doesn't feel like an ultimate at the moment, it's more akin to a whimsical child flailing a pool noodle over his head.

Stopnaggin · January 2017

Have to agree, they will be fine in pvp, stamina is dieing in pve though. My main is stamplar and she will now be my dedicated crafter. Pve is getting more and more centered around magika builds.

Danksta · January 2017

bikerangelo wrote: »

Kadoozy wrote: »

Pve stamplar will be worse off, yes. But that is due to the changes to crit and rearming trap.

Pvp stamplar on the other hand is going to be awesome. Probably will see an uptick in the amount of people playing it

Trap is mostly used for Minor Force, which thankfully hasn't been touched. Stamplar definitely isn't dead, and if you relied on proc sets to crit before to get higher parses, you'll just have to find other straight damage buff sets. Burning Light is still a strong proc, and sustain overall will be significantly improved now that the cost of jabs is fixed. On full cost reduction builds, it's coming in at around 1300-1400 stamina per usage, (100 in warlord, 5 medium & VO reduction).

PvP stamplar has always been strong and will be even stronger. Binding Javelin hits like a bullet now, and jabs going through dodge roll (as all aoe's should) will definitely help with making them easier to land.

Crescent sweep is an unneeded buff, IMO, and the stam scaling should've been aplied to Empowering Sweep. Dawnbreaker still does almost twice the initial damage that Crescent does, and the CC from DB with the strong DoT make up for the higher cost. Sweep just doesn't feel like an ultimate at the moment, it's more akin to a whimsical child flailing a pool noodle over his head.

Oh man, I'm just going to die laughing every time I see this being used now.

idk · January 2017

darkllord wrote: »

Can somebody tell me the reason why? I cant put the finger on it. I hear it from all directions, but dont know why. Am I missing something important?

I would suggest reading the patch notes for PTS yourself. Most people provide incorrect information, though probably not on purpose.

runagate · January 2017

For instance misinformation like "minor force wasn't touched"?

Brrrofski · January 2017

They're not going to be much better than now to be honest. Slightly cheaper for two skills and an ultimate with which falls behind Dawn breaker because of the cc and how it wrecks vampires (a lot of Cyrodiil now). Until they have a better resource management tool which doesn't require dead bodies, they won't be great. For solo, real small group, they'll have the same issues as now.

Mid size groups to zergs they were always fine anyway.

Jabs being undodgeable is the only real great thing. And that's a bug fix, even though zos made it out to be a buff. I mean, the base skill wasn't dodgeable was it? So why would a morph be?

Dunno, I still think I'll be torn between wearing heavy to survive and medium to sustain... Exact problem I already have.

They won't be form, put it that way. The other stam classes are still ahead of it.

DHale · January 2017

Just watch Rhage then you know stamlars can wreck anyone in the right hands.

Kadoozy · January 2017

bikerangelo wrote: »

Kadoozy wrote: »

Pve stamplar will be worse off, yes. But that is due to the changes to crit and rearming trap.

Pvp stamplar on the other hand is going to be awesome. Probably will see an uptick in the amount of people playing it

Trap is mostly used for Minor Force, which thankfully hasn't been touched. Stamplar definitely isn't dead, and if you relied on proc sets to crit before to get higher parses, you'll just have to find other straight damage buff sets. Burning Light is still a strong proc, and sustain overall will be significantly improved now that the cost of jabs is fixed. On full cost reduction builds, it's coming in at around 1300-1400 stamina per usage, (100 in warlord, 5 medium & VO reduction).

PvP stamplar has always been strong and will be even stronger. Binding Javelin hits like a bullet now, and jabs going through dodge roll (as all aoe's should) will definitely help with making them easier to land.

Crescent sweep is an unneeded buff, IMO, and the stam scaling should've been aplied to Empowering Sweep. Dawnbreaker still does almost twice the initial damage that Crescent does, and the CC from DB with the strong DoT make up for the higher cost. Sweep just doesn't feel like an ultimate at the moment, it's more akin to a whimsical child flailing a pool noodle over his head.

Did they revert their change? Because rearming trap was nerfed in 2.7 and minor force went from 12% to 10%. I also forgot the monster set nerf.

ZOS_JohanaB · January 2017

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templesus · January 2017

Sustain is still terrible however we did get damage buffs.

bikerangelo · January 2017

Kadoozy wrote: »

bikerangelo wrote: »

Kadoozy wrote: »

Pve stamplar will be worse off, yes. But that is due to the changes to crit and rearming trap.

Pvp stamplar on the other hand is going to be awesome. Probably will see an uptick in the amount of people playing it

Trap is mostly used for Minor Force, which thankfully hasn't been touched. Stamplar definitely isn't dead, and if you relied on proc sets to crit before to get higher parses, you'll just have to find other straight damage buff sets. Burning Light is still a strong proc, and sustain overall will be significantly improved now that the cost of jabs is fixed. On full cost reduction builds, it's coming in at around 1300-1400 stamina per usage, (100 in warlord, 5 medium & VO reduction).

PvP stamplar has always been strong and will be even stronger. Binding Javelin hits like a bullet now, and jabs going through dodge roll (as all aoe's should) will definitely help with making them easier to land.

Crescent sweep is an unneeded buff, IMO, and the stam scaling should've been aplied to Empowering Sweep. Dawnbreaker still does almost twice the initial damage that Crescent does, and the CC from DB with the strong DoT make up for the higher cost. Sweep just doesn't feel like an ultimate at the moment, it's more akin to a whimsical child flailing a pool noodle over his head.

Did they revert their change? Because rearming trap was nerfed in 2.7 and minor force went from 12% to 10%. I also forgot the monster set nerf.

Just saw that..... crap.

Ladislao · January 2017

Every class is dead in the every next patch on the forum.

ManDraKE · January 2017

Brrrofski wrote: »

Jabs being undodgeable is the only real great thing. And that's a bug fix, even though zos made it out to be a buff. I mean, the base skill wasn't dodgeable was it? So why would a morph be?

the magika morph is undogeable because all magika channeled attacks are undogeable. That is not the case for stamina, for example snipe and flurry can be dodged. The only reason the made the stam morph undogeable now is because it have a AoE component.

Brrrofski wrote: »

They're not going to be much better than now to be honest. Slightly cheaper for two skills and an ultimate with which falls behind Dawn breaker because of the cc and how it wrecks vampires (a lot of Cyrodiil now).

crescent tooltip in the PTS is higher than incap, plus it can proc burning light and is half the cost of dawnbreaker. The CC is not a big deal, you can add a CC to your combo an be as effective.

Blackfyre20 · January 2017

bikerangelo wrote: »

PvP stamplar has always been strong and will be even stronger. Binding Javelin hits like a bullet now, and jabs going through dodge roll (as all aoe's should) will definitely help with making them easier to land.

Crescent sweep is an unneeded buff, IMO, and the stam scaling should've been aplied to Empowering Sweep. Dawnbreaker still does almost twice the initial damage that Crescent does, and the CC from DB with the strong DoT make up for the higher cost. Sweep just doesn't feel like an ultimate at the moment, it's more akin to a whimsical child flailing a pool noodle over his head.

I disagree that stamplars have been strong in PvP. They've been fine and I enjoy playing mine, but they have been inferior to all other stam classes. The changes will definitely help bring them back in line with the other stam classes for PvP though. Hopefully the cost reductions specifically make a noticeable difference in sustain. We will have to see how the PoL change plays out because it is definitely not going to live in the current bugged state so I can see it being very strong or just made useless again.

The crescent sweep change is nice but I still think I am still going to use dawnbreaker. The very low range on crescent sweep (it has a lower range than dizzying swing) will still make it inconsistent to land even with it being undodgeable. Wearing bloodspawn, I get my dawnbreaker up pretty quick so the utility from the skill more than makes up for the higher cost for me. Crescent does more initial damage than dawnbreaker I'd like to point out though so it's a little more bursty and obviously cheaper, so I think we will see some stamplars using it.

bikerangelo · January 2017

@Blackfyre20
Stamplars seem inferior due to how strong stamsorcs have become and how prominent ganking with stamblades is in the current meta. True, they don't have CC's that go through block and several useless class passives, but they also have insane healing capabilities and solid defense if built properly.
EDIT: PotL (both morphs) is definitely bugged, and when I initially read about the changes, I knew that ZOS would break it by trying to make part of the skill bypass Battle Spirit. Just wait, if they can't fix it before the patch goes live, anyone who uses it on the live server will get banned before they eventually fix it 4 months down the road.

We might see more Crescent sweep users, but it will end up just like the 2 hander ultimate where only a few try it out for a couple weeks then ditch it for dawnbreaker.

JinMori · January 2017

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Stamplars are gonna be stronger next patch.
Crescent Sweep scales with Stamina(QQ my favourite Magplar ultimate, rip).
Jabs' cost gets decreased by ~20%
^That's just some of the changes. There's a lot more in the notes, but those 2 are the ones I feel will matter the most anyway.

Crescent sweep is still much worse than dawnbreaker so it's basically a non existent buff.

Karius_Imalthar · January 2017

I tried speccing as a stamplar once and the dps was atrocious compared to magplar.

Blackfyre20 · January 2017

@bikerangelo well they were inferior to stam sorcs, except for healing which was probably about even. NBs have better sustain, better burst and benefit more from proc sets because of that. Stam DKs have on par heals, better survivability, significantly better sustain, and similar damage. So saying they have always been strong in PVP is a bit of an overstatement. I think they will be fine now with the new changes but not any stronger than the other stam classes. I do think stamplars can get more out of their class without proc sets than a stam NB can which is nice if you're like me and not interested in contributing to the cancer.

Yea probably true about crescent sweep. It needs more utility to make it useful but adding a CC would really just make it a cheaper dawnbreaker. Adding a unique buff to the ability would be cool. For example, now that it deals physical damage, adding a minor staminasteal (a mirror of minor magickasteal) would make sense. You wouldn't be able to have 100% uptime on the buff like magplars can with restoring aura but it would help bring stamplar sustain in line with the other stamina classes (20% cost reduction on javelin and jabs will help but that is just bring costs in line with other classes, and repentence is still inferior to dark deal, siphoning attacks, and battle roar/helping hands).