Inn RP system

Messy1 · January 2017

ESO has a ton of RPers, like a ridiculous amount, and they are very dedicated to their storyline and they actually have an informal system and rules of conduct about treading on each other's turf.

If RP weren't such a wildly popular thing in ESO you wouldn't have things like dyes, motifs, personalities, and features being sold on the crown store.

Anyway, I think a system for Inn ownership should be established for guilds.

1) Ownership of an inn can be obtained by three activities
- Gold Patronage
- Daily Inn quests
- Time spent at Inn by guild members

2) Gold Patronage: Guilds can get three levels of patronage at the Inn Green, Blue, or Purple. Tiers are associated with how much money players of a guild spend at the innkeeper. Innkeeper should be given new stock and include things similar to the one use mud balls or throwing knives that players would want to buy fir RP purposes.

3) Daily Inn Quests: These could be tied into provisioning and have some sort of gathering task associated with them. Another daily quest could be travel to another Inn and deliver a package.

4) Time spent at inn: Log the actual time spent at an inn and make a total for each guild.

Each category will be tier based be weighted the same amount of points. Get past a certain amount of time spent in an Inn and get green, blue, or Purple status etc. Ranking will take place over a week and the winning guild can gain proprietorship of the Inn for the rest of the month.

Pixel_Zealot · January 2017

And when they ownership for the rest of the month, gold spent in the Inn will then go to the guild?

Messy1 · January 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

And when they ownership for the rest of the month, gold spent in the Inn will then go to the guild?

Sure that sounds good!

Messy1 · January 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

And when they ownership for the rest of the month, gold spent in the Inn will then go to the guild?

And to deter trade guilds, there won't be a guild vendor and if you do own a guild vendor you cannot own an Inn

SantieClaws · January 2017

Khajiit is seriously thinking of perhaps buying a small house and turning it into a tavern yes.

The Claws Pours Inn or Santie's Grotto.

Yours with pours
Santie Claws

KATObloodpaw · January 2017

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit is seriously thinking of perhaps buying a small house and turning it into a tavern yes.

The Claws Pours Inn or Santie's Grotto.

Yours with pours
Santie Claws

Santies grotto!

Gandrhulf_Harbard · January 2017

I think this is a nice idea.

One thing I would add is a Consumables Vendor, so the Guild can craft Food and Drink and sell ONLY Food and Drink in the Inn.

All The Best

Zyrudin · January 2017

So the idea would be to have a way to grant exclusive and private access to a public space.

No. Housing will be launched with the view of providing private spaces. RP'ers and RP guilds can and should make good use of this opportunity to be in an instanced quiet place doing their thing.

"Owning" a public space in a PvE area is not viable. Anyone can and should visit and do whatever they want in a public space (as long as within the established ESO rules of conduct).

If you are talking about creating an instance of the inn for RP purposes, that would be acceptable, of course, but this is one big server, so... hmmm, unlikely.

Messy1 · January 2017

Zyrudin wrote: »

So the idea would be to have a way to grant exclusive and private access to a public space.

No. Housing will be launched with the view of providing private spaces. RP'ers and RP guilds can and should make good use of this opportunity to be in an instanced quiet place doing their thing.

"Owning" a public space in a PvE area is not viable. Anyone can and should visit and do whatever they want in a public space (as long as within the established ESO rules of conduct).

If you are talking about creating an instance of the inn for RP purposes, that would be acceptable, of course, but this is one big server, so... hmmm, unlikely.

Everyone will still have access to the Inn but a guild banner will be displayed in front of the Inn and the inn keeper will sell minor provisioning items bearing the guilds name. That's what I had in mind, not blocking entrance to other players and privatizing inns.

Zyrudin · January 2017

Messy1 wrote: »

Everyone will still have access to the Inn but a guild banner will be displayed in front of the Inn and the inn keeper will sell minor provisioning items bearing the guilds name. That's what I had in mind, not blocking entrance to other players and privatizing inns.

Oh, in that case it would be harmless to other players

Unless the owning guild would be report trigger-happy towards players playing the way they want, as exemplified by the comment on this post.

If it is just the banner and vendor, no problem. If that would mean that the behavior of other players in the inn would be regulated by the guild, then no. It is a public game space and it should only regulated by ZOS' rules.

Messy1 · January 2017

Zyrudin wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Everyone will still have access to the Inn but a guild banner will be displayed in front of the Inn and the inn keeper will sell minor provisioning items bearing the guilds name. That's what I had in mind, not blocking entrance to other players and privatizing inns.

Oh, in that case it would be harmless to other players
Unless the owning guild would be report trigger-happy towards players playing the way they want, as exemplified by the comment on this post.

If it is just the banner and vendor, no problem. If that would mean that the behavior of other players in the inn would be regulated by the guild, then no. It is a public game space and it should only regulated by ZOS' rules.

Yeah, it would be more of an achievement based, fun things for RP guilds to do, if they want, or any other guild. NO discrimination against other players at all.

FleetwoodSmack · January 2017

Messy1 wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Everyone will still have access to the Inn but a guild banner will be displayed in front of the Inn and the inn keeper will sell minor provisioning items bearing the guilds name. That's what I had in mind, not blocking entrance to other players and privatizing inns.

Oh, in that case it would be harmless to other players
Unless the owning guild would be report trigger-happy towards players playing the way they want, as exemplified by the comment on this post.

If it is just the banner and vendor, no problem. If that would mean that the behavior of other players in the inn would be regulated by the guild, then no. It is a public game space and it should only regulated by ZOS' rules.

Yeah, it would be more of an achievement based, fun things for RP guilds to do, if they want, or any other guild. NO discrimination against other players at all.

I hate to be this person, but that's sadly not something that can be policed currently with ZoS staff (When's the last time we've actually SEEN an actual ZoS GM in game aside from the PTS marriage event?). I used to be pretty avid in the RP-Tavern scene. Keyword here is used to be. After seeing some major needless drama go down with various guilds, report happy people, and then people who will try to enforce their vision of RP standards on others; I stopped going in them completely unless they're dead and I'm making food or grabbing a lorebook.

I mean, don't get me wrong. It sounds harmless and fun! I totally agree. However I have to be realistic here. There's a significant portion of RPers that want 100% immersion as they see fit. If one breaks that immersion; the person doing the breaking unintentional or not is usually bombarded with rage. If they're an RPer, they get threats of being blacklisted. If this vocal group was more mature, perhaps. But as it stands, I haven't seen ONE guild that didn't do any discriminating of some sort. It's inevitable and it does happen even now. Putting huge rulesets around it doesn't work. Not unless there's actual staff to mediate disputes instead of this haphazard joke of a report system.

To me, it's far easier to just use player housing, create a tavern, and hook a similar system up to that. You won't get outside buyers, but it's far less of a hassle than what's been already talked about in that thread linked above. If it's done with player homes, I see no problem with it. But not for the public taverns.

Enslaved · January 2017

Well, they could just add inkeeper NPC and a bard to housing and RP guilds could RP Inn in their own housing choice. For example, true Nord could spend months in an Riften house made into inn. Also, since it would be a true Nord tavern, few duels would be expected. Looser pays the round, of course. For even more immersion, you could pay bard per hour or something. That way, regular inns are intact, and new ones would emerge all around Tamriel.

SantieClaws · January 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

Well, they could just add inkeeper NPC and a bard to housing and RP guilds could RP Inn in their own housing choice. For example, true Nord could spend months in an Riften house made into inn. Also, since it would be a true Nord tavern, few duels would be expected. Looser pays the round, of course. For even more immersion, you could pay bard per hour or something. That way, regular inns are intact, and new ones would emerge all around Tamriel.

The only issue with this yes is the current permission system. You cannot walk up to a house, see a list of everyone who owns it and choose an instance yes.

You have to be already on the approved guests list before the property even exists for you.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

stevepdodson_ESO888 · January 2017

KATObloodpaw wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit is seriously thinking of perhaps buying a small house and turning it into a tavern yes.

The Claws Pours Inn or Santie's Grotto.

Yours with pours
Santie Claws

Santies grotto!

oh, now that's a clever joke...just a pity we are a few weeks past...but still good

Messy1 · January 2017

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Everyone will still have access to the Inn but a guild banner will be displayed in front of the Inn and the inn keeper will sell minor provisioning items bearing the guilds name. That's what I had in mind, not blocking entrance to other players and privatizing inns.

Oh, in that case it would be harmless to other players
Unless the owning guild would be report trigger-happy towards players playing the way they want, as exemplified by the comment on this post.

If it is just the banner and vendor, no problem. If that would mean that the behavior of other players in the inn would be regulated by the guild, then no. It is a public game space and it should only regulated by ZOS' rules.

Yeah, it would be more of an achievement based, fun things for RP guilds to do, if they want, or any other guild. NO discrimination against other players at all.

I hate to be this person, but that's sadly not something that can be policed currently with ZoS staff (When's the last time we've actually SEEN an actual ZoS GM in game aside from the PTS marriage event?). I used to be pretty avid in the RP-Tavern scene. Keyword here is used to be. After seeing some major needless drama go down with various guilds, report happy people, and then people who will try to enforce their vision of RP standards on others; I stopped going in them completely unless they're dead and I'm making food or grabbing a lorebook.

I mean, don't get me wrong. It sounds harmless and fun! I totally agree. However I have to be realistic here. There's a significant portion of RPers that want 100% immersion as they see fit. If one breaks that immersion; the person doing the breaking unintentional or not is usually bombarded with rage. If they're an RPer, they get threats of being blacklisted. If this vocal group was more mature, perhaps. But as it stands, I haven't seen ONE guild that didn't do any discriminating of some sort. It's inevitable and it does happen even now. Putting huge rulesets around it doesn't work. Not unless there's actual staff to mediate disputes instead of this haphazard joke of a report system.

To me, it's far easier to just use player housing, create a tavern, and hook a similar system up to that. You won't get outside buyers, but it's far less of a hassle than what's been already talked about in that thread linked above. If it's done with player homes, I see no problem with it. But not for the public taverns.

You're probably right and I think player housing will serve the role of guild hall/tavern etc.

Where I disagree with you is on the point of how RP'ers police themselves. Yes, there are some very stringent RP folk who demand that you RP their way or within their immersive narrative. These people either keep to themselves or in their small groups or they become so obnoxious that the rest of the tavern goers just ignore them and then there are RP trolls, who could be just random players who like to disrupt RP events and ruin immersion, or actual RPers themselves who do not get their way and rage themselves. In either case it points to immaturity and I think that the people I RP with are mature and can handle things and yes we do have disagreements, but we discuss them, listen to all parties and then make a decision. Sometimes a person is asked to leave, sometimes they need to be kicked. After all it is an online game and no one can be really sure what's driving a person to do what they do, even if they are in teamspeak.

Anyway, if you'd like to RP with us in a friendly environment let me know. @Messy1 in game

Balticthunder · January 2017

Messy1 wrote: »

ESO has a ton of RPers, like a ridiculous amount,

Really? All those half naked babes with names starting with lady, princess, dame, qeen?

Dawnblade · January 2017

Phased housing, or maybe a phased instance of a world location like inns, would be the best places for RP.

I don't have anything against RP, but like PVP, they should have their own instances where they can do their thing without bothering or being bothered by others.

So phased guild inns, sure - general public game world inns, no.

And while they are at it, set towns up as 'no duel' areas - not sure how that was missed in the release, towns are laggy enough without a bunch of duel monkeys spamming all their abilities on top of NPCs, traders, crafting stations, etc.

FleetwoodSmack · January 2017

Messy1 wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Everyone will still have access to the Inn but a guild banner will be displayed in front of the Inn and the inn keeper will sell minor provisioning items bearing the guilds name. That's what I had in mind, not blocking entrance to other players and privatizing inns.

Oh, in that case it would be harmless to other players
Unless the owning guild would be report trigger-happy towards players playing the way they want, as exemplified by the comment on this post.

If it is just the banner and vendor, no problem. If that would mean that the behavior of other players in the inn would be regulated by the guild, then no. It is a public game space and it should only regulated by ZOS' rules.

Yeah, it would be more of an achievement based, fun things for RP guilds to do, if they want, or any other guild. NO discrimination against other players at all.

I hate to be this person, but that's sadly not something that can be policed currently with ZoS staff (When's the last time we've actually SEEN an actual ZoS GM in game aside from the PTS marriage event?). I used to be pretty avid in the RP-Tavern scene. Keyword here is used to be. After seeing some major needless drama go down with various guilds, report happy people, and then people who will try to enforce their vision of RP standards on others; I stopped going in them completely unless they're dead and I'm making food or grabbing a lorebook.

I mean, don't get me wrong. It sounds harmless and fun! I totally agree. However I have to be realistic here. There's a significant portion of RPers that want 100% immersion as they see fit. If one breaks that immersion; the person doing the breaking unintentional or not is usually bombarded with rage. If they're an RPer, they get threats of being blacklisted. If this vocal group was more mature, perhaps. But as it stands, I haven't seen ONE guild that didn't do any discriminating of some sort. It's inevitable and it does happen even now. Putting huge rulesets around it doesn't work. Not unless there's actual staff to mediate disputes instead of this haphazard joke of a report system.

To me, it's far easier to just use player housing, create a tavern, and hook a similar system up to that. You won't get outside buyers, but it's far less of a hassle than what's been already talked about in that thread linked above. If it's done with player homes, I see no problem with it. But not for the public taverns.

You're probably right and I think player housing will serve the role of guild hall/tavern etc.

Where I disagree with you is on the point of how RP'ers police themselves. Yes, there are some very stringent RP folk who demand that you RP their way or within their immersive narrative. These people either keep to themselves or in their small groups or they become so obnoxious that the rest of the tavern goers just ignore them and then there are RP trolls, who could be just random players who like to disrupt RP events and ruin immersion, or actual RPers themselves who do not get their way and rage themselves. In either case it points to immaturity and I think that the people I RP with are mature and can handle things and yes we do have disagreements, but we discuss them, listen to all parties and then make a decision. Sometimes a person is asked to leave, sometimes they need to be kicked. After all it is an online game and no one can be really sure what's driving a person to do what they do, even if they are in teamspeak.

Anyway, if you'd like to RP with us in a friendly environment let me know. @Messy1 in game

This wasn't the case in a handful of taverns over on DC PC-NA for a good while. We had about 7 or so guilds all squabbling in the same tavern over who could do what, when, and why. It was down to the point that if some of them didn't do a particular emote (or in EP's case they hate /leanbackcoin so much they ragequit), they were ostracized. I'm not even kidding. I can't name them because of the naming and shaming policy, but there's a lot more than people seem to think. Guild members and guild leaders alike. There's guilds that blacklist DKs for being DKs, guilds that blacklist for PvPing, guilds blacklisting because you don't fit into their delusions of grandeur... I mean that list goes on and on.

While you and I (and our guilds) may police themselves; these groups of people that take RP so seriously that they cause issues like these are vocal enough to tarnish not only a good system, but the community at large. From all my years of RPing, I've never seen the level some of these people go to. Putting a system like that in their hands would be concerning, to say the least. If it was their own instance? I'd be fine with that. Something that's more public? Eeeeh. I foresee problems. At least on DC PC-NA.

Messy1 · January 2017

Hmmm, I realized it was bad, but not that bad. Delusional is right.

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

I like the idea . Sounds fun .

Woeler · January 2017

Does this mean I can't go in there and trow mudballs anymore?

starkerealm · January 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

And when they ownership for the rest of the month, gold spent in the Inn will then go to the guild?

Wait, does that mean when I bolt in, and vendor all the crap in my inventory, I'm actually making off with the guild's nest egg?

bg22 · January 2017

Could also introduce mini-games like throwing knife contests, and darts, mead pong, etc.!