It finally happened!

magnusthorek · January 2017

TL;DR

Elitism is a cancerous evil and caused my removal of an endgame Guild. Now move a long

I've been finally kicked of the end-game guild I was member for almost one year because because of technical details: I didn't manage to get a score against a dungeon boss that helps nothing against the real deal (trial bosses).

The "administration" always announced that Magicka players should achieve at least 30k as DPS while Stamina, 38k. When they first "threatened" purging the guild towards their elitism numbers I was really bad, barely reaching 18k.

Then I improved A LOT getting a DPS mark floating from 32k and up to 41k (once) against trial bosses on veteran difficult (32k was an HM run with a training group). Heck... even the first and only time I did vMoL I've got 35k, even not knowing the slightly different mechanics, learning them just-in-time.

With those results I was happy!

But then came the unnecessary test against an unreasonable and very situational dungeon boss and, although those marks were publicly announced, through mass mails, secretly, behind the scenes, the real goal was 35k for Magicka players. And this unbuffed!

I was reluctant on doing a DPS test under such circumstances. It didn't make sense! I've sent several DPS parses of important bosses (Warrior, Mage, in between mini-bosses...) and all of them were rejected because "they had adds numbers" even though there were no influence of them on data (only boss name in the reports). But I did my part. i gave up and did the "test" and, when I finally got a DPS Test group after spent THE WHOLE WEEK asking (since we had a deadline tomorrow, Sunday), I didn't manage to get the numbers.

I could blame the group that came with me during the "test" but they're nice fellows and don't deserve that. Did they do a good job on buffs? Can't say, but my latency, although it shows a moderately low number everyday, is a liar and was the real villain to blame. Every action takes like 3 seconds to happen, today was even worse and not only with me. I 'learned to lag" in the course of months of course but, for example, I can't be part of this cancerous community that cancel animations without suffer a double bar swap.

Now the [Snip] in the fan part!

1) Earlier today the "administration" whispered me "intimidating" I had until tomorrow to present my results.

This is an international game and people live under different timezones, so much that my Aussie friends were celebrating new year before me. With this in mind, for example, to me, Sunday is tomorrow and I've been kicked 45 minutes ago, which still Saturday.

Theoretically I could change gears and try again tomorrow, but I didn't have the chance.

2) Because of my timezone and the impossibility of playing at night (for most of you) because the server gets too crowded (I've tested it once) I often miss A LOT of opportunities. The only time I managed to go vMoL I had to wake up VERY early to get the "end of dawn" of the guild.

3) During afternoon (here) which is when I usually play, I literally have to beg for pledges or trials for weekly and people don't even answer. I understand if people don't want to do or can't in that moment but why the silence?

4) A lot of players in this guild hated me. Even people that used to be friendly to me got so cocky because were considered member of a "core" group started to treat me bad. Some proofs:

- A couple weeks ago we were doing vHRC for weekly I think. I was in a group and when we finished the crown said something like "if you want to go again drop group, change toons and X up in guild". I did and never got the invitation back for a group I WAS ALREADY IN. they quickly filled the DPS role with someone else and didn't have even the decency to explain.

Another case, more recent. -

- Today morning a lot of good players online and my first guild message in chat was for a vMoL group for the weekly. everyone silent (again) but then 30 minutes later (I was more or less monitoring the Guild roster) they formed a group in secret (probably through whispers or TS) and did the weekly.

I don't know you but to me, in my country, this characterizes as being personal, but they were too coward to speak to me directly.

5) A long time ago a player joined a vAA group formed by someone else AFTER me. He took the lead and kicked me without reason. I asked why and he threw on my face I was a bad player because he happened to be in the same run I was when learning vAA, that back when the trials was rescaled in which I made mistakes (who don't while learning?). He had balls to do that, I admit, but I argued with him, explained I was learning and got back in the group. and to shut him up I did the whole place flawlessly.

Isn't this personal? I tried to contact the "public relations" of guild, giving my feedback and to make sure it would be read I asked a favor in the message. This favor never happened...

Anyway...

THE GUILD ASKED TOO MUCH AND PROVIDED TOO LITTLE

If you run or is member of a guild that does veteran trials at different periods of time (something around -5 hours from the time of this topic) and couldn't take the newest homeless DPS of Tamriel without such rudeness and cockiness, please let me know.

[Edited for bypassing the filter]

DigitalShibby · January 2017

Just find a different guild? There are plenty of trials obsessed guilds who aren't so demanding.

mad0ni0n · January 2017

Why would you want to be in a guild like that? You said yourself that a lot of the players in the guild hated you. Why would you choose to be a part of that??

WhiteMage · January 2017

You have my support! You show them!

nordsavage · January 2017

It is their guild to run how they see fit. Your rage is at a cancerous level.

Jeremy · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

TL;DR

Elitism is a cancerous evil and caused my removal of an endgame Guild. Now move a long

I've been finally kicked of the end-game guild I was member for almost one year because because of technical details: I didn't manage to get a score against a dungeon boss that helps nothing against the real deal (trial bosses).

The "administration" always announced that Magicka players should achieve at least 30k as DPS while Stamina, 38k. When they first "threatened" purging the guild towards their elitism numbers I was really bad, barely reaching 18k.

Then I improved A LOT getting a DPS mark floating from 32k and up to 41k (once) against trial bosses on veteran difficult (32k was an HM run with a training group). Heck... even the first and only time I did vMoL I've got 35k, even not knowing the slightly different mechanics, learning them just-in-time.

With those results I was happy!

But then came the unnecessary test against an unreasonable and very situational dungeon boss and, although those marks were publicly announced, through mass mails, secretly, behind the scenes, the real goal was 35k for Magicka players. And this unbuffed!

I was reluctant on doing a DPS test under such circumstances. It didn't make sense! I've sent several DPS parses of important bosses (Warrior, Mage, in between mini-bosses...) and all of them were rejected because "they had adds numbers" even though there were no influence of them on data (only boss name in the reports). But I did my part. i gave up and did the "test" and, when I finally got a DPS Test group after spent THE WHOLE WEEK asking (since we had a deadline tomorrow, Sunday), I didn't manage to get the numbers.

I could blame the group that came with me during the "test" but they're nice fellows and don't deserve that. Did they do a good job on buffs? Can't say, but my latency, although it shows a moderately low number everyday, is a liar and was the real villain to blame. Every action takes like 3 seconds to happen, today was even worse and not only with me. I 'learned to lag" in the course of months of course but, for example, I can't be part of this cancerous community that cancel animations without suffer a double bar swap.

Now the sh*t in the fan part!

1) Earlier today the "administration" whispered me "intimidating" I had until tomorrow to present my results.

This is an international game and people live under different timezones, so much that my Aussie friends were celebrating new year before me. With this in mind, for example, to me, Sunday is tomorrow and I've been kicked 45 minutes ago, which still Saturday.

Theoretically I could change gears and try again tomorrow, but I didn't have the chance.

2) Because of my timezone and the impossibility of playing at night (for most of you) because the server gets too crowded (I've tested it once) I often miss A LOT of opportunities. The only time I managed to go vMoL I had to wake up VERY early to get the "end of dawn" of the guild.

3) During afternoon (here) which is when I usually play, I literally have to beg for pledges or trials for weekly and people don't even answer. I understand if people don't want to do or can't in that moment but why the silence?

4) A lot of players in this guild hated me. Even people that used to be friendly to me got so cocky because were considered member of a "core" group started to treat me bad. Some proofs:

- A couple weeks ago we were doing vHRC for weekly I think. I was in a group and when we finished the crown said something like "if you want to go again drop group, change toons and X up in guild". I did and never got the invitation back for a group I WAS ALREADY IN. they quickly filled the DPS role with someone else and didn't have even the decency to explain.

Another case, more recent. -

- Today morning a lot of good players online and my first guild message in chat was for a vMoL group for the weekly. everyone silent (again) but then 30 minutes later (I was more or less monitoring the Guild roster) they formed a group in secret (probably through whispers or TS) and did the weekly.

I don't know you but to me, in my country, this characterizes as being personal, but they were too coward to speak to me directly.

5) A long time ago a player joined a vAA group formed by someone else AFTER me. He took the lead and kicked me without reason. I asked why and he threw on my face I was a bad player because he happened to be in the same run I was when learning vAA, that back when the trials was rescaled in which I made mistakes (who don't while learning?). He had balls to do that, I admit, but I argued with him, explained I was learning and got back in the group. and to shut him up I did the whole place flawlessly.

Isn't this personal? I tried to contact the "public relations" of guild, giving my feedback and to make sure it would be read I asked a favor in the message. This favor never happened...

Anyway...

THE GUILD ASKED TOO MUCH AND PROVIDED TOO LITTLE

If you run or is member of a guild that does veteran trials at different periods of time (something around -5 hours from the time of this topic) and couldn't take the newest homeless DPS of Tamriel without such rudeness and cockiness, please let me know.

I didn't read all of this but didn't take me long to figure out you are in a very stupid guild.

They did you a favor by kicking you.

jarrod777 · January 2017

I will never understand why people put up with guild leaders like this.

Stop being sheep and just leave. They cannot be azzholes unless you let them.

magnusthorek · January 2017

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Just find a different guild? There are plenty of trials obsessed guilds who aren't so demanding.

I don't know many names

mad0ni0n wrote: »

Why would you want to be in a guild like that? You said yourself that a lot of the players in the guild hated you. Why would you choose to be a part of that??

Part of this is commodism, but also because I don't know many names of guilds to fit this need I have.

nordsavage wrote: »

It is their guild to run how they see fit. Your rage is at a cancerous level.

No rage here bro, just showing the facts

Now, something i forgot to say, even knowing my neck was on the line because of my lag, during the Witches Festival I created a tank character and, although I didn't do a great job tanking vAA the first time I tried, for everything else I was really good and even being able to support the guild with a role not many players want to do (relatively speaking) I was kicked.

Mojmir · January 2017

Moar dots

Gargath · January 2017

The guilds in eso are weird, I was in trading one, big one with a trader in Rawl'kha. During extensive trading I was advancing in ranks to a middle rank, a magnate or something. Which means my sales were generating quite nice profit to the guild.
Then I was not online for about 1,5 week without any notice earlier, and was just kicked for inactivity. Without a single in game email. Now I Wonder why did I have so much interest in advancing in guild ranks and was doing all this active stuff with others guildies, if I can be kicked so easily just for inactivity and nobody really cares.

Sure, I don't really care about it either, as someone stated above there are plenty of guilds awaiting fresh people. It's just a feeling, if you are internet player and see only numbers and weird names, but no faces, there is no way you can find real friends in guildies especially not in guild management. I'll always be a pawn in the game, because all this socializing is quite shallow...

azoriangaming · January 2017

sounds like a lovely guild (sarcasm)also sounds like the leader was out to get you whatever happened, you'll do better without people like that.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · January 2017

Sorry to hear this. Suggest you look for a much friendlier guild.

mb10 · January 2017

I personally refuse to ever do a DPS test. It's not a job interview, its a dungeon or trial on the Elder Scrolls Online.

Not sure what makes some losers think that people need to prove themselves to them when most the time they arent that good themselves and horrible leaders with poor social skills on mics.

You can tell what type of people these are in real life and for that reason, I will never feel the need to prove myself to them.

(Harsh, I know but not as harsh as their attitude towards some players)

UrQuan · January 2017

Sounds like a lot of high school BS. Just move on and forget about it all.

ArchMikem · January 2017

I believe this would be the part where you clean out the Guild's bank and leave, if you had those permissions of course. Nevertheless I'd have applauded you if you could/did, they sound like they deserve it.

magnusthorek · January 2017

Even though I was a member for almost one year and did several trials with them (considering the "special circumstances") i never was considered more than a newcomer, staying forever in the lowest raking in the guild, even much before those elitist requirements,

I feel like I took off a weight from my shoulders. I burned some cash to buy/craft some gear even though i don't need to prove anything to anyone anymore but who knows what awaits me in the future.

jedtb16_ESO · January 2017

perhaps you should log out of the game.

shut your rig down.

and go for a walk.... talk to real people.... forget the virtual world for a while.

Panda_iMunch · January 2017

I always here these stories of "elite" guilds who are way too concerned about numbers to be human. Almost sounds like domestic abuse, but at least it is easy to leave.

freespirit · January 2017

Are you NA or EU?

Whichever I'm sure that we can find you a way better Guild

Ravena · January 2017

Am I supposed to feel bad? You brought this upon yourself when you joined a guild that was obviously elitist from the start.

Now you're upset because they were consistent? Haha

disintegr8 · January 2017

I would have left without submitting to any tests at all.

sickboy2808 · January 2017

These DPS checks are a friggin joke. Why cant people just have fun eh?? This is the reason i still havent done Vet Trials, because if another player threatened me that i would get kicked from Guild/Trial id just leave sticking 2 fingers up on way out. Stuff that Guild OP

Glurin · January 2017

I would never, ever join a guild with any sort of DPS requirements, and the instant any guild I've already joined implements DPS requirements is the instant I leave. That is a gigantic red flag that the guild in question either is or soon will be filled with the sort of people that I do not want to associate myself with.

Same goes for any guild focused around RP, though for different reasons.

arena25 · January 2017

If the guild leader is being that demanding, leave. If he's doing like you said, OP, report.

Seriously, they're just milking the membership for their own greed.

BlazingDynamo · January 2017

What a bunch of try hards. They probably suck themselves much like the guilds I've seen demanding dps tests. Back in the day when me and my good buddy ran our guild (best on the server ps4 NA) all we did was run dungeons with people who wanted in. Even if they weren't the greatest we still let them in. No *** dps test

WhoThenNow7 · January 2017

Not going to lie.. that sounds so lame and not fun at all. But to some people it is, so who am I to say.

s7732425ub17_ESO · January 2017

Anyone who can get 30k DPS can have VMOL on farm. Our group was averaging 25k DPS on bosses and we crushed through VMOL repeatedly no problems. Looks like that guild is too elite for its own good. Instead of focusing on experience in doing the content they just focus on a silly number.

hedna123b14_ESO · January 2017

Lol....pretty sure I know the guild the OP is talking about. The guild leader is probably the nicest player I have ever met on the NA server...the guild's policies are very fair and reasonable. Plenty of time was goven to players to reach the dps required to pads the tests. Additionally the guild offers people to contact in case an individual needs help learning a certain class. If the OP did not pass said test it could thus only be due to two reasons: 1. He did not take advantage of mentoring. 2. He was neyond help. Either way rules arw rules and they must be gollowed.

Also fyi any guild leader has the right and the authority to run his or her guild as they see fit. Using this same logic, any player that dislikes rules and regulations set forth by a raid leader can leave the guild.

Thealteregoroman · January 2017

What does TL;DR mean?

Tabbycat · January 2017

Guild drama. So glad I don't have to deal with it.

Glurin · January 2017

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

What does TL;DR mean?

"Too Long, Didn't Read." Often used just before a one line summary of an unusually long post.