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Get rid of red diamond and give imperial tri-stat
Lyserus
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So this, again....
http://theskyrimblog.ning.com/group/lore/forum/topics/the-imperial-divide-colovian-and-nibenese
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2p7q0b/what_is_the_difference_between_nibenese_and/
And there are many other sources stating that Colovians are bascially warroirs, Nibeneses are miagicians (in a battle view)
And because of the lore (the current version of imperial is obviously simple colovians) and the uselessness of red diamond, I suggested to give imperial tri-stat racial passive.
Funny thing is some are claiming this is too op and others are claiming it means imperials will be "jack-of-all-trades, but pro to none"
So I suggest two verions of middle ground solution:
1. change red diamond to magicka version of adrenaline rush (restore 3%stamina per melee attack, cooldown 5sec) and now 3% magicka back on any spell, with 5sec cool down
2. rough(12%health) remains, change the other two to dynamic (6% on magic&stam) and potion only version's resourceful (12% on tri stat when drink potion)
Also, the one-hand shield experience boost is the same like redguards', if we can change that to something else that does not owned by any other races that would be good
Edited by Lyserus on January 14, 2017 8:30PM http://theskyrimblog.ning.com/group/lore/forum/topics/the-imperial-divide-colovian-and-nibenese
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2p7q0b/what_is_the_difference_between_nibenese_and/
And there are many other sources stating that Colovians are bascially warroirs, Nibeneses are miagicians (in a battle view)
And because of the lore (the current version of imperial is obviously simple colovians) and the uselessness of red diamond, I suggested to give imperial tri-stat racial passive.
Funny thing is some are claiming this is too op and others are claiming it means imperials will be "jack-of-all-trades, but pro to none"
So I suggest two verions of middle ground solution:
1. change red diamond to magicka version of adrenaline rush (restore 3%stamina per melee attack, cooldown 5sec) and now 3% magicka back on any spell, with 5sec cool down
2. rough(12%health) remains, change the other two to dynamic (6% on magic&stam) and potion only version's resourceful (12% on tri stat when drink potion)
Also, the one-hand shield experience boost is the same like redguards', if we can change that to something else that does not owned by any other races that would be good
Get rid of red diamond and give imperial tri-stat 33 votes
Version1 sounds good
3%
1 vote
Version2 sounds good
12%
4 votes
Other (leave your comment to explain your thoughts)
3%
1 vote
I don't use imperial so you all should stick with useless red diamond
12%
4 votes
Nah
69%
23 votes
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hp/mag/stam seems like a good option.
Either way one of those stats is going to give like 1k stat maximum depends if your mag or stam.
But high elf/redguard/woodelf etc.. will still be better either way.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭NahNah, bad idea is bad brah.
Keep Red Diamond as is.I didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.3 -
EldritchPenguin✭✭✭✭✭NahSo your options are:
1) Make an already very strong race have really powerful Magicka sustain (infinite Stamina Dark Deal builds, anyone?).
2) Gut a strong race's DPS and make them a better version of Argonians.
One of them comes across to me as an overbuff, while the other comes across to me as "you should be asking for an Argonian buff instead."Edited by EldritchPenguin on January 14, 2017 8:44PMLilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Vaynothah Sailenar - Dark Elf Templar
Sherivah Telvanni - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Nephiah Telvanni - Dark Elf Nightblade0 -
The_Duke✭✭✭✭Red diamond is terrible compared to other races period. Just getting hp and stam isn't good enough when you compare it to some of the other races that have multiple perks rolled into their passives.
Orcs are a better brusier tank. They do to 4% more mele, speed boost, hp and stam, hp recovery and 5% healing. Thats alot compared to 10% hp and stam and an underwhelming Red Diamond. For a pay to play race its kinda crazy.The Duke
Stamplar
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UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NahMy Imperial tank loves Red Diamond the way it is.
Really, which weapon or armour skill line do you suggest?Also, the one-hand shield experience boost is the same like redguards', if we can change that to something else that does not owned by any other races that would be good
Light armour? Hmm, nope, Bretons get that one.
Medium armour? No, Khajiit get that.
Heavy armour? Nope, that one's taken by Orcs.
Dual wield? No, no, that's Dunmer.
Two-handed? No, the Nords have that locked down.
Bow? Nope, Bosmer already get bow.
Destruction staff? Guess not, the Altmer get that.
Restoration staff? No, Argonians get to have that one.
One hand & shield? Wait, that's the one shared by Redguards that you objected to in the first place.
Did I miss any weapon or armour skill lines? No? Well then.
Someone stole my sweetrollCaius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp2 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NahOrcs are a better brusier tank. They do to 4% more mele, speed boost, hp and stam, hp recovery and 5% healing. Thats alot compared to 10% hp and stam and an underwhelming Red Diamond. For a pay to play race its kinda crazy.
An Orc tank is only one (1) race-class combination out of the possible thirty (30) race-class combinations in the game. If you look at Imperial DPS, heals, and tanks to other races in their roles, Imperial receives high marks in a lot of those comparisons.
So, a comparison to just one strong race-role combination is a gross generalization ... maybe even "kinda crazy".2 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Orcs are a better brusier tank. They do to 4% more mele, speed boost, hp and stam, hp recovery and 5% healing. Thats alot compared to 10% hp and stam and an underwhelming Red Diamond. For a pay to play race its kinda crazy.
An Orc tank is only one (1) race-class combination out of the possible thirty (30) race-class combinations in the game. If you look at Imperial DPS, heals, and tanks to other races in their roles, Imperial receives high marks in a lot of those comparisons.
So, a comparison to just one strong race-role combination is a gross generalization ... maybe even "kinda crazy".
Nord is better than imperial for tanking.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...1 -
The_Duke✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Orcs are a better brusier tank. They do to 4% more mele, speed boost, hp and stam, hp recovery and 5% healing. Thats alot compared to 10% hp and stam and an underwhelming Red Diamond. For a pay to play race its kinda crazy.
An Orc tank is only one (1) race-class combination out of the possible thirty (30) race-class combinations in the game. If you look at Imperial DPS, heals, and tanks to other races in their roles, Imperial receives high marks in a lot of those comparisons.
So, a comparison to just one strong race-role combination is a gross generalization ... maybe even "kinda crazy".
If there was a forum award for over reacting to a comment you would probably be todays winner.The Duke
Stamplar
Guild leader of The Dukes. PS40 -
nml✭✭✭Red Diamond would be fine if close range attacks such as concealed weapon counted as melee, which they should.-NML
Imperator, Ars Imperatoria
North American PC/Mac, Trueflame0