Heavy armor meta?

starkerealm · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Where is your data to suggest my claim isn't wrong?

Here.

EDIT: Oh, wait, mybad, that's data showing your claim is completely bogus.

hassubhai · January 2017

Heavy is ridiculous it allows more tankiness more sustain and more damage than medium, i say more damage because in medium your dodge rolling 50% of the time anyways whereas in heavy your just sitting there face tanking and fighting.

Also penetration should be more effective and should be percentage based

leepalmer95 · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Where is your data to suggest my claim isn't wrong?

Here.

EDIT: Oh, wait, mybad, that's data showing your claim is completely bogus.

But again? Where are the variables? Did you read? He just posts a graph saying these X% of players wear this,

Do you have to have 5x of an armor type to be counted? Does it count the pve'er in towns or IC? Would wearing 5/1/1 count for all the armor types?

All you did was link the table i was talking about, did you even read the past comments?

starkerealm · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

...did you even read the past comments?

Didn't need to. You're arguing you have better analytical data than the developers. That claim alone is laughable enough that it doesn't require a serious rebuttal. Also, note that he does mention crossvariat analysis in his post, even though he doesn't link the associated data sheets. You... did read his post, right? With the words 'n stuff?

leepalmer95 · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

...did you even read the past comments?

Didn't need to. You're arguing you have better analytical data than the developers. That claim alone is laughable enough that it doesn't require a serious rebuttal. Also, note that he does mention crossvariat analysis in his post, even though he doesn't link the associated data sheets. You... did read his post, right? With the words 'n stuff?

I'm arguing he didn't explain the data, he just posted it and said there you go. There's no explanation about the data. I never said i have better data?

What were the variables of the data? That was never explained.

Anyone who has played pvp in the last few months knows it's a heavy meta, something doesn't because meta if it isn't stronger than other options.

starkerealm · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

...did you even read the past comments?

Didn't need to. You're arguing you have better analytical data than the developers. That claim alone is laughable enough that it doesn't require a serious rebuttal. Also, note that he does mention crossvariat analysis in his post, even though he doesn't link the associated data sheets. You... did read his post, right? With the words 'n stuff?

I'm arguing he didn't explain the data, he just posted it and said there you go. There's no explanation about the data. I never said i have better data?

What were the variables of the data? That was never explained.

Anyone who has played pvp in the last few months knows it's a heavy meta, something doesn't because meta if it isn't stronger than other options.

You're arguing that, based on your experiences, you have a better grasp of the current state of the game than the developers do. Why does this seem oddly familiar?

leepalmer95 · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

...did you even read the past comments?

Didn't need to. You're arguing you have better analytical data than the developers. That claim alone is laughable enough that it doesn't require a serious rebuttal. Also, note that he does mention crossvariat analysis in his post, even though he doesn't link the associated data sheets. You... did read his post, right? With the words 'n stuff?

I'm arguing he didn't explain the data, he just posted it and said there you go. There's no explanation about the data. I never said i have better data?

What were the variables of the data? That was never explained.

Anyone who has played pvp in the last few months knows it's a heavy meta, something doesn't because meta if it isn't stronger than other options.

You're arguing that, based on your experiences, you have a better grasp of the current state of the game than the developers do. Why does this seem oddly familiar?

What when there wasn't a cp cap and people legit did come over to console with a few hundred cp? There wasn't a slider on cp gains either so every cp was 400k. Not to mention max level pc players got 70 free cp when it was first released and then had a few months to grind some cp with the craglorn grinds?. There was a mag dk emp on console who was emp for 3 months straight when the game was released, the guy sent me a screen shot of 950 cp.

I find it funny you who is a pc player seemed to know how things were on a different platform you didn't play. Back then i was arguing based on experience and screen shots, you was arguing as a 'pc player who knew console better than console players'

If people with large amount of cp wasn't a problem why did zos introduce a cap the patch after console release?
Why did they add a xp slider on cp gains?

Paraflex · January 2017

Heavy Armor magplars have it the best...great sustain,damage, and protection. Heavy armor does need to be toned down.

starkerealm · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

What when there wasn't a cp cap and people legit did come over to console with a few hundred cp?

People were "grinding CP for over a year" in August 2015? Really? Between March and August 2015, an entire year passed?

I'm not going to bother to spend the time to find your post about how "all transfers" had "thousands" of CP, which lead to you getting slapped down by a dev, pointing out that only 3 players, at that time, had broken 1k CP.

I've spent enough time in the last couple years, reading your posts as they come up. There are some themes. You like to emulate @Deltia, and make grand declarations. Difference is, you tend to make assessments that then don't mesh with reality. In this case, a developer actually posted the relative popularity of armor types in PvP by CR501+ players. And then you go and say, "that can't be right, because I know what everyone's doing." Thing is, you don't. You rarely do. You certainly aren't more knowledgeable about this game than the dev staff.

There are people, posting this, flat out, fiction that heavy armor is "tehbestistevah!" Which... okay, it's a fiction. It's good for DPS in some very specific circumstances, with some very specific builds. What Rich Lambert told you is that not everyone is doing it. Heavy Armor is, in fact, the least popular option among PvPers over CR501. Which kinda suggests, what I just said, this meta does not work as a universal statement.

Anti_Virus · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

...did you even read the past comments?

Didn't need to. You're arguing you have better analytical data than the developers. That claim alone is laughable enough that it doesn't require a serious rebuttal. Also, note that he does mention crossvariat analysis in his post, even though he doesn't link the associated data sheets. You... did read his post, right? With the words 'n stuff?

Don't bother with him, you can show him data and he will ignore it, the Devs agree that Heavy is not OP hence why no changes Occured to it, but let him cry his heart out.

starkerealm · January 2017

Anti_Virus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

...did you even read the past comments?

Didn't need to. You're arguing you have better analytical data than the developers. That claim alone is laughable enough that it doesn't require a serious rebuttal. Also, note that he does mention crossvariat analysis in his post, even though he doesn't link the associated data sheets. You... did read his post, right? With the words 'n stuff?

Don't bother with him, you can show him data and he will ignore it, the Devs agree that Heavy is not OP hence why no changes Occured to it, but let him cry his heart out.

I've been saying this for nearly two years at this point.

thankyourat · January 2017

If more people are wearing light and medium over heavy that wouldn't surprise me. A good chunk of players are bad at PvP. I bet most players are also not running impen for traits as well. A simple understanding of game mechanics would show you that heavy is superior in PvP.

leepalmer95 · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

What when there wasn't a cp cap and people legit did come over to console with a few hundred cp?

People were "grinding CP for over a year" in August 2015? Really? Between March and August 2015, an entire year passed?

I'm not going to bother to spend the time to find your post about how "all transfers" had "thousands" of CP, which lead to you getting slapped down by a dev, pointing out that only 3 players, at that time, had broken 1k CP.

I've spent enough time in the last couple years, reading your posts as they come up. There are some themes. You like to emulate @Deltia, and make grand declarations. Difference is, you tend to make assessments that then don't mesh with reality. In this case, a developer actually posted the relative popularity of armor types in PvP by CR501+ players. And then you go and say, "that can't be right, because I know what everyone's doing." Thing is, you don't. You rarely do. You certainly aren't more knowledgeable about this game than the dev staff.

There are people, posting this, flat out, fiction that heavy armor is "tehbestistevah!" Which... okay, it's a fiction. It's good for DPS in some very specific circumstances, with some very specific builds. What Rich Lambert told you is that not everyone is doing it. Heavy Armor is, in fact, the least popular option among PvPers over CR501. Which kinda suggests, what I just said, this meta does not work as a universal statement.

That was a long time ago, i was very new and obviously exaggerated my points, didn't mean my points weren't valid.
Is it so wrong to question data which is not explained? Which doesn't have variables? It is wrong to ask for more specifics? Should we all just believe in anything a zos dev's posts and not give our opinions.

I've spent enough time around you, you seem to think you know everything, you simply don't question thinks said to you by dev's, do you even give feedback?

Like the fact you though't you knew the state of the game on a platform you didn't play more than someone who played it.

You always seem to enjoy posting sarcasm against players with less experience than you instead of helping them or explaining.

Anti_Virus · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

...did you even read the past comments?

Didn't need to. You're arguing you have better analytical data than the developers. That claim alone is laughable enough that it doesn't require a serious rebuttal. Also, note that he does mention crossvariat analysis in his post, even though he doesn't link the associated data sheets. You... did read his post, right? With the words 'n stuff?

I'm arguing he didn't explain the data, he just posted it and said there you go. There's no explanation about the data. I never said i have better data?

What were the variables of the data? That was never explained.

Anyone who has played pvp in the last few months knows it's a heavy meta, something doesn't because meta if it isn't stronger than other options.

So you need people to hold your hand and interpret data for you? You can't just look at the bar graph and see the obvious data thats there?

You act like a know it all and you don't know everything, shoot if you were in Wrobels spot you would crash this game into Oblivion, with all your QQ threads.

Callous2208 · January 2017

thankyourat wrote: »

If more people are wearing light and medium over heavy that wouldn't surprise me. A good chunk of players are bad at PvP. I bet most players are also not running impen for traits as well. A simple understanding of game mechanics would show you that heavy is superior in PvP.

Agreed. It's not worth arguing. Anyone claiming that heavy is not the meta and trying to imply that HA is not superior to its counterparts all around, does not pvp right now. If they do and they haven't figured this out, they're new to Cyro or not paying attention.

leepalmer95 · January 2017

Anti_Virus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

...did you even read the past comments?

Didn't need to. You're arguing you have better analytical data than the developers. That claim alone is laughable enough that it doesn't require a serious rebuttal. Also, note that he does mention crossvariat analysis in his post, even though he doesn't link the associated data sheets. You... did read his post, right? With the words 'n stuff?

Don't bother with him, you can show him data and he will ignore it, the Devs agree that Heavy is not OP hence why no changes Occured to it, but let him cry his heart out.

The dev's agree eye of the storm is fine and that dark deal is balanced. They also removed soft caps, brought the cp system the game. Nerfed mag dk's so hard they went from gods to basically useless for a year.

The dev's do a lot of things, so good, some bad. If they dev's were perfect and always right then they wouldn't want feedback.

Believe it or not sometimes the dev's aren't e.g. The curse change thats been going on.

Still waiting for your vid by the way or your 45k stamina and 4.5k weapon damage, 500 stam regen stam sorc being better than a heavy armor version. Despite what you may think when you respond to an open question of 'show' you can't just post some numbers and claim 'its better'. Doesn't work like that.

starkerealm · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

That was a long time ago, i was very new and obviously exaggerated my points, didn't mean my points weren't valid.

Your points back then were exactly as valid as the ones now. I understand that you exaggerate. I understand that you build a model for how you believe the game works, and then proceed to ignore any information that demonstrates that your opinion has no basis in fact.

You were new to the game, and people who had been around much longer told you, "no, that's stupid," and you ignored them.

You're less new to the game now, and people are telling you, "no, that's stupid." The more things change...

starkerealm · January 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

If more people are wearing light and medium over heavy that wouldn't surprise me. A good chunk of players are bad at PvP. I bet most players are also not running impen for traits as well. A simple understanding of game mechanics would show you that heavy is superior in PvP.

Agreed. It's not worth arguing. Anyone claiming that heavy is not the meta and trying to imply that HA is not superior to its counterparts all around, does not pvp right now. If they do and they haven't figured this out, they're new to Cyro or not paying attention.

The problem isn't really about HA being the best option in Cryodiil, it's that this is in the general forums and heavy is not the way to go for PvE.

Callous2208 · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

If more people are wearing light and medium over heavy that wouldn't surprise me. A good chunk of players are bad at PvP. I bet most players are also not running impen for traits as well. A simple understanding of game mechanics would show you that heavy is superior in PvP.

Agreed. It's not worth arguing. Anyone claiming that heavy is not the meta and trying to imply that HA is not superior to its counterparts all around, does not pvp right now. If they do and they haven't figured this out, they're new to Cyro or not paying attention.

The problem isn't really about HA being the best option in Cryodiil, it's that this is in the general forums and heavy is not the way to go for PvE.

Wait...is that what this back and forth is about? Where the post landed? Good gods I thought people were implying HA is not superior to all in pvp. Of course it's not the best option for all circumstances in pve. I will back away now, it seems I misread some things.

JWKe · January 2017

Build makers seem to be running Heavy, so that's probably why. Alot of these streamers reasoning for using heavy is pretty convincing too.

leepalmer95 · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

That was a long time ago, i was very new and obviously exaggerated my points, didn't mean my points weren't valid.

Your points back then were exactly as valid as the ones now. I understand that you exaggerate. I understand that you build a model for how you believe the game works, and then proceed to ignore any information that demonstrates that your opinion has no basis in fact.

You were new to the game, and people who had been around much longer told you, "no, that's stupid," and you ignored them.

You're less new to the game now, and people are telling you, "no, that's stupid." The more things change...

Back then i was stating the unfairness of allowing pc player to transfer over with everything. Which i had a valid point. I even did maths and you just ignored it. Basking in the fact you believed you knew more than a player on that actual platform lmao.

You do this know, you get invovled or start and argument then start ignoring when someone responds back to you, any questions you can't answer or have an answer too you ignore then start developing into insults.

How can you not tell this thread is about heavy in pvp?

Incase anyone is still unclear this is heavy in pvp.

There is a heavy meta in pvp, how can you even have a armor type meta in pve?

Anti_Virus · January 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

If more people are wearing light and medium over heavy that wouldn't surprise me. A good chunk of players are bad at PvP. I bet most players are also not running impen for traits as well. A simple understanding of game mechanics would show you that heavy is superior in PvP.

Agreed. It's not worth arguing. Anyone claiming that heavy is not the meta and trying to imply that HA is not superior to its counterparts all around, does not pvp right now. If they do and they haven't figured this out, they're new to Cyro or not paying attention.

The problem isn't really about HA being the best option in Cryodiil, it's that this is in the general forums and heavy is not the way to go for PvE.

Wait...is that what this back and forth is about? Where the post landed? Good gods I thought people were implying HA is not superior to all in pvp. Of course it's not the best option for all circumstances in pve. I will back away now, it seems I misread some things.

I'm implying that heavy is not superior in PVP, using Zos Data. For "Superior" armor its the least popular.

Some of you believe it is because is you think it deals the most dmg, yet that claim doen't translate into pve.

starkerealm · January 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

If more people are wearing light and medium over heavy that wouldn't surprise me. A good chunk of players are bad at PvP. I bet most players are also not running impen for traits as well. A simple understanding of game mechanics would show you that heavy is superior in PvP.

Agreed. It's not worth arguing. Anyone claiming that heavy is not the meta and trying to imply that HA is not superior to its counterparts all around, does not pvp right now. If they do and they haven't figured this out, they're new to Cyro or not paying attention.

The problem isn't really about HA being the best option in Cryodiil, it's that this is in the general forums and heavy is not the way to go for PvE.

Wait...is that what this back and forth is about? Where the post landed? Good gods I thought people were implying HA is not superior to all in pvp. Of course it's not the best option for all circumstances in pve. I will back away now, it seems I misread some things.

Kinda. I mean, I've spent the last week trying to figure out why we suddenly had people in PvE who were thinking Heavy was the route to go for DPS. I guess now we all know. $:\$

Anti_Virus · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

...did you even read the past comments?

Didn't need to. You're arguing you have better analytical data than the developers. That claim alone is laughable enough that it doesn't require a serious rebuttal. Also, note that he does mention crossvariat analysis in his post, even though he doesn't link the associated data sheets. You... did read his post, right? With the words 'n stuff?

Don't bother with him, you can show him data and he will ignore it, the Devs agree that Heavy is not OP hence why no changes Occured to it, but let him cry his heart out.

The dev's agree eye of the storm is fine and that dark deal is balanced. They also removed soft caps, brought the cp system the game. Nerfed mag dk's so hard they went from gods to basically useless for a year.

The dev's do a lot of things, so good, some bad. If they dev's were perfect and always right then they wouldn't want feedback.

Believe it or not sometimes the dev's aren't e.g. The curse change thats been going on.

Still waiting for your vid by the way or your 45k stamina and 4.5k weapon damage, 500 stam regen stam sorc being better than a heavy armor version. Despite what you may think when you respond to an open question of 'show' you can't just post some numbers and claim 'its better'. Doesn't work like that.

Once again you don't need my video to prove this, how about this. Make a medium armor stam sorc with those stats and 1vX its that same tactics, LOS Dodge roll. You can do it I believe in you.

Callous2208 · January 2017

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

If more people are wearing light and medium over heavy that wouldn't surprise me. A good chunk of players are bad at PvP. I bet most players are also not running impen for traits as well. A simple understanding of game mechanics would show you that heavy is superior in PvP.

Agreed. It's not worth arguing. Anyone claiming that heavy is not the meta and trying to imply that HA is not superior to its counterparts all around, does not pvp right now. If they do and they haven't figured this out, they're new to Cyro or not paying attention.

The problem isn't really about HA being the best option in Cryodiil, it's that this is in the general forums and heavy is not the way to go for PvE.

Wait...is that what this back and forth is about? Where the post landed? Good gods I thought people were implying HA is not superior to all in pvp. Of course it's not the best option for all circumstances in pve. I will back away now, it seems I misread some things.

I'm implying that heavy is not supperior in PVP, using Zos Data.

Some of you believe it is because is you think it deals the most dmg, yet that claim doen't translate into pve.

It is superior in PvP. This is based on my own testing combining factors of sustain, damage, mitigation, and healing. Seems to be the conclusion everyone else who pvp's has come to as well. I have seen no data stating otherwise. A graph showing people using more medium only tells me that I still have time to wreck face before the newbies and pve'rs on vacation in Cyro figure it out.

starkerealm · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Back then i was stating the unfairness of allowing pc player to transfer over with everything. Which i had a valid point.

You usually do. But then you, reliably, latch onto a scapegoat and chase it. This would be less of a problem if you weren't phenomenal about picking the wrong scapegoat.

Or, in this case, remembering that the thread went onto a board for PvP and PvE, and most of the statements about the superiority of HA just do not apply here.

Anti_Virus · January 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

If more people are wearing light and medium over heavy that wouldn't surprise me. A good chunk of players are bad at PvP. I bet most players are also not running impen for traits as well. A simple understanding of game mechanics would show you that heavy is superior in PvP.

Agreed. It's not worth arguing. Anyone claiming that heavy is not the meta and trying to imply that HA is not superior to its counterparts all around, does not pvp right now. If they do and they haven't figured this out, they're new to Cyro or not paying attention.

The problem isn't really about HA being the best option in Cryodiil, it's that this is in the general forums and heavy is not the way to go for PvE.

Wait...is that what this back and forth is about? Where the post landed? Good gods I thought people were implying HA is not superior to all in pvp. Of course it's not the best option for all circumstances in pve. I will back away now, it seems I misread some things.

I'm implying that heavy is not supperior in PVP, using Zos Data.

Some of you believe it is because is you think it deals the most dmg, yet that claim doen't translate into pve.

It is superior in PvP. This is based on my own testing combining factors of sustain, damage, mitigation, and healing. Seems to be the conclusion everyone else who pvp's has come to as well. I have seen no data stating otherwise. A graph showing people using more medium only tells me that I still have time to wreck face before the newbies and pve'rs on vacation in Cyro figure it out.

Hmmm your words, or a Graph from the devs.

I think the devs are right. Now if your opinion is heavy is OP then you opinion stands strong, but its not fact.

Not everyone agrees with your opinion though, I don't watch streamers.

starkerealm · January 2017

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

If more people are wearing light and medium over heavy that wouldn't surprise me. A good chunk of players are bad at PvP. I bet most players are also not running impen for traits as well. A simple understanding of game mechanics would show you that heavy is superior in PvP.

Agreed. It's not worth arguing. Anyone claiming that heavy is not the meta and trying to imply that HA is not superior to its counterparts all around, does not pvp right now. If they do and they haven't figured this out, they're new to Cyro or not paying attention.

The problem isn't really about HA being the best option in Cryodiil, it's that this is in the general forums and heavy is not the way to go for PvE.

Wait...is that what this back and forth is about? Where the post landed? Good gods I thought people were implying HA is not superior to all in pvp. Of course it's not the best option for all circumstances in pve. I will back away now, it seems I misread some things.

I'm implying that heavy is not supperior in PVP, using Zos Data.

Some of you believe it is because is you think it deals the most dmg, yet that claim doen't translate into pve.

It is superior in PvP. This is based on my own testing combining factors of sustain, damage, mitigation, and healing. Seems to be the conclusion everyone else who pvp's has come to as well. I have seen no data stating otherwise. A graph showing people using more medium only tells me that I still have time to wreck face before the newbies and pve'rs on vacation in Cyro figure it out.

Hmmm your words, or a Graph from the devs.

I think the devs are right. Now if your opinion is heavy is OP then you opinion stands strong, but its not fact.

Not everyone agrees with your opinion though, I don't watch streamers.

In fairness, to make this work you need a couple specific sets. That's going to cut out a lot of players right up front. It's not even a question of, "are most players just bad at the game?" It's that even the ones who could sort this out, probably haven't invested the resources into the right sets to horrifically break the way heavy armor functions.

Callous2208 · January 2017

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

If more people are wearing light and medium over heavy that wouldn't surprise me. A good chunk of players are bad at PvP. I bet most players are also not running impen for traits as well. A simple understanding of game mechanics would show you that heavy is superior in PvP.

Agreed. It's not worth arguing. Anyone claiming that heavy is not the meta and trying to imply that HA is not superior to its counterparts all around, does not pvp right now. If they do and they haven't figured this out, they're new to Cyro or not paying attention.

The problem isn't really about HA being the best option in Cryodiil, it's that this is in the general forums and heavy is not the way to go for PvE.

Wait...is that what this back and forth is about? Where the post landed? Good gods I thought people were implying HA is not superior to all in pvp. Of course it's not the best option for all circumstances in pve. I will back away now, it seems I misread some things.

I'm implying that heavy is not supperior in PVP, using Zos Data.

Some of you believe it is because is you think it deals the most dmg, yet that claim doen't translate into pve.

It is superior in PvP. This is based on my own testing combining factors of sustain, damage, mitigation, and healing. Seems to be the conclusion everyone else who pvp's has come to as well. I have seen no data stating otherwise. A graph showing people using more medium only tells me that I still have time to wreck face before the newbies and pve'rs on vacation in Cyro figure it out.

Hmmm your words, or a Graph from the devs.

I think the devs are right. Now if your opinion is heavy is OP then you opinion stands strong, but its not fact.

Not everyone agrees with your opinion though, I don't watch streamers.

I have not seen any graph from the devs stating one armor is superior to another friend. If such a graph doesn't exist, what are you stating the devs are right about? I don't watch streamers either, please try to stay on topic and not assume things because you don't understand.

Anti_Virus · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

If more people are wearing light and medium over heavy that wouldn't surprise me. A good chunk of players are bad at PvP. I bet most players are also not running impen for traits as well. A simple understanding of game mechanics would show you that heavy is superior in PvP.

Agreed. It's not worth arguing. Anyone claiming that heavy is not the meta and trying to imply that HA is not superior to its counterparts all around, does not pvp right now. If they do and they haven't figured this out, they're new to Cyro or not paying attention.

The problem isn't really about HA being the best option in Cryodiil, it's that this is in the general forums and heavy is not the way to go for PvE.

Wait...is that what this back and forth is about? Where the post landed? Good gods I thought people were implying HA is not superior to all in pvp. Of course it's not the best option for all circumstances in pve. I will back away now, it seems I misread some things.

I'm implying that heavy is not supperior in PVP, using Zos Data.

Some of you believe it is because is you think it deals the most dmg, yet that claim doen't translate into pve.

It is superior in PvP. This is based on my own testing combining factors of sustain, damage, mitigation, and healing. Seems to be the conclusion everyone else who pvp's has come to as well. I have seen no data stating otherwise. A graph showing people using more medium only tells me that I still have time to wreck face before the newbies and pve'rs on vacation in Cyro figure it out.

Hmmm your words, or a Graph from the devs.

I think the devs are right. Now if your opinion is heavy is OP then you opinion stands strong, but its not fact.

Not everyone agrees with your opinion though, I don't watch streamers.

In fairness, to make this work you need a couple specific sets. That's going to cut out a lot of players right up front. It's not even a question of, "are most players just bad at the game?" It's that even the ones who could sort this out, probably haven't invested the resources into the right sets to horrifically break the way heavy armor functions.

Agreed, sets like Blk rose and reactive are OverPreforming,
Coupled up with proc sets and its strong. But I think the misconception is Heavy is OP when the problem is the Heavy armor sets. There is a ton of armor pen in the game atm so they need to take advantage of that.

Heavy armor is in a good spot and is finally useable since the game launched