Elite help needed argument in group.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

So stamsorcs and max damage.

What is actually better...

7 medium for the extra (minor amount) crit..or.

5 med, 1 light and 1 heavy for 4% extra stamina, which is a huge difference on a stam sorc.

Assume redguard and usual nmg / VO and sharp vma daggers and stormfist.

All divines and gold.

Nifty2g · January 2017

i've always liked max stats, i think the 5/1/1 is good for a stam sorc in a raid setting because of warhorn would increase those stats even more.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

i've always liked max stats, i think the 5/1/1 is good for a stam sorc in a raid setting because of warhorn would increase those stats even more.

That's my view. I'd rather be sitting at 38.3k stam over 35.7 (my actual difference) for the sake of 1.2% crit. All my other tooltips are a fair bit higher like this. Rend has a stupidly higher figure.

kylewwefan · January 2017

The Medium armor passives for Crit, stam recovery, reduced stam cost for 2 extra pieces seem to far out weigh an extra 4% all max stat increase. Reduced stam cost is pretty major.

100 CP in reduced stam cost is gets only 16% reduction where 2 piece armor give extra 8%

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

kylewwefan wrote: »

The Medium armor passives for Crit, stam recovery, reduced stam cost for 2 extra pieces seem to far out weigh an extra 4% all max stat increase. Reduced stam cost is pretty major.

Those costs are nothing. If you're healer is using a master resto then you shouldn't be worrying about recovery.

Esp if using stormfist. You'll be a touch under 1200 (plus 20% with pots every 47s) recovery plus spring spam it's not an issue. Stam sorcs get an 8% reduced cost anyway, coupled with having awesome recovery. It's a negligible difference, plus redguard passive.

And it doesn't affect your max damage. Only the crit does which is a tiny amount.

KingYogi415 · January 2017

The person who run NMG, run's it's duel wield for a monster set. it's for NB's or stamplars who don't run dots.

Max damage is all divine, all medium, monster set (kragh) 5 piece Twice born star, 3 VO jewelry vma weapons sharpened.

Of course if your rotations and mechanics knowledge are weak sustain and survivability is very hard. So what you should run when when newer to trials is 1 or 2 piece heavy, and five VO. get the dive VO pieces and build the Twice born around that.

For Vma run 5 VO 5 NMG (sharp dagers) vma bow and monsters set.

Cheers!

kylewwefan · January 2017

I'm not sure. Players better than me always recommend 7 Medium, so that's what I go with. I'm probably not a good enough player to see an actual difference, but I do play with lots of different skilled people and being more self sufficient/ able to manage my own stamina is pretty major.

Asmael · January 2017

Sounds like sustain shouldn't be an issue (especially with Redguard), so it's mostly trading survivability (extra health) against damage.

Not a big fan of 5/1/1 setups, it looks better in character sheet, but if you really need the extra defense, I'd favor sticking to a 6/1/0 setup (all medium with heavy chest), since this alone grants 4% extra health, for a very minor damage loss. it's basically the best return you can have in terms of overall stats.

7/0/0 is still the highest damage possible, even if, yes, the difference is minimal.

bebynnag · January 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

i've always liked max stats, i think the 5/1/1 is good for a stam sorc in a raid setting because of warhorn would increase those stats even more.

That's my view. I'd rather be sitting at 38.3k stam over 35.7 (my actual difference) for the sake of 1.2% crit. All my other tooltips are a fair bit higher like this. Rend has a stupidly higher figure.

^^this^^

laksikus · January 2017

KingYogi415 wrote: »

The person who run NMG, run's it's duel wield for a monster set. it's for NB's or stamplars who don't run dots.

Max damage is all divine, all medium, monster set (kragh) 5 piece Twice born star, 3 VO jewelry vma weapons sharpened.

Of course if your rotations and mechanics knowledge are weak sustain and survivability is very hard. So what you should run when when newer to trials is 1 or 2 piece heavy, and five VO. get the dive VO pieces and build the Twice born around that.

For Vma run 5 VO 5 NMG (sharp dagers) vma bow and monsters set.

Cheers!

For max dps you dont Run kraghs. But stormfist

KingYogi415 · January 2017

Here's what the one of the most elite players on PS4 would say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCGeDqEkZsQ&t=111s

Enjoy the rotations guide. Could have taken to forever to never to figure out.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

That's right...but that's using Tbs...surely with stam you don't run Tbs without someone running nmg, as nmg+stormfist is more powerful than Tbs+Krags without a nmg debuff...it's horses for courses but not the topic. Was purely asking what is better for this build 7 med or undaunted. Nifty made the better point re warhorn. Not only will it give you a stupid stamina pool but your non crit hits will hit way harder than having a far lower one.

KingYogi415 · January 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

That's right...but that's using Tbs...surely with stam you don't run Tbs without someone running nmg, as nmg+stormfist is more powerful than Tbs+Krags without a nmg debuff...it's horses for courses but not the topic. Was purely asking what is better for this build 7 med or undaunted. Nifty made the better point re warhorn. Not only will it give you a stupid stamina pool but your non crit hits will hit way harder than having a far lower one.

No decent group trial group will take a stamsorc running NMG.

Stam sorcs and stam dks are there for max damage which he asked for, not debuffs.

If he's never interested in vet trails hes fine then.

Not sure why would even need "max" damage though.

DPShiro · January 2017

I prefer 7 medium on all stam classes.