Console AddOns

LadyLethalla · January 2017

So... since there are so many useful addons on PC for ESO, when are we going to get those for consoles?

Please ZoS, there's so much more you could give us. Buff timers, for one. I heard @ZosRich_Lambert say a few months ago they're "working on" buff timers for us but it really seems like we're largely getting forgotten. Can we at least get an ETA? And will we ever get "mods" like for Skyrim? I realise that opens up a proverbial can of worms so far as cheating is concerned but how is that different to PC?

Bonzodog01 · January 2017

The brick wall here is Microsoft and Sony. They are fussy about add-ons to games, and they have to conform to policies set by them.

pizzaow · January 2017

At the very least if they searched the top mods and provided functionality for ones with over 500K installs.

We do get mod-like additions ... slowly. The option to add DPS numbers to the display is nice, and the DPS dummy is an improvement... it's not nearly as nice as some of the console damage analysis add-ons but much better than trying to find a group to take you to bloodspawn. After a dungeon it would be nice to see exactly where I sit in terms of damage. Even if I can kill bloodspawn/dummies quickly, I have no idea if that's translating into trial play or not.

Top of my list is a way to save clothing and skill bar combinations. My main is an all stam imperial who can switch between a tank and dps. I'm scared to queue into dungeons for both roles, because it takes about 3-5 minutes to switch everything.

Blackfyre20 · January 2017

Searching through guild stores for specific items makes me want to light myself on fire. That said, I understand there are obstacles to add-ons on console, it's just a bummer. I would love to at least see buff timers added to the game though (optionally of course).

Eleusian · January 2017

Blackfyre20 wrote: »

Searching through guild stores for specific items makes me want to light myself on fire. That said, I understand there are obstacles to add-ons on console, it's just a bummer. I would love to at least see buff timers added to the game though (optionally of course).

Makes you wonder who thought that system was a good idea over Global Auction House . Another garbage idea from original dev team that needs to go.

GawdSB · January 2017

I'm curious. How do the addons for Skyrim work? Could they not implement it the same for this?

Eleusian · January 2017

GawdSB wrote: »

I'm curious. How do the addons for Skyrim work? Could they not implement it the same for this?

They work ez. In the selection menus of both skyrim & fallout 4 there's a mod link. Pretty ez and you can disable at anytime. It's a L2 Develop issue I think on ZOS part.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2017

NONONONONONONONONO

I know you all mean well, and yes some add ons would be helpful, but it's the most slippery of slopes. Look up Miat's "I'm going to break the game" PVP add on or "Cheat Engine" for perfect examples.

Every quarter ZOS adds a few helpful things. Let them do it. Opening up the API for 300 awesome things is not worth either of the two abominations that I already mentioned.

leepalmer95 · January 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

NONONONONONONONONO

I know you all mean well, and yes some add ons would be helpful, but it's the most slippery of slopes. Look up Miat's "I'm going to break the game" PVP add on or "Cheat Engine" for perfect examples.

Every quarter ZOS adds a few helpful things. Let them do it. Opening up the API for 300 awesome things is not worth either of the two abominations that I already mentioned.

Exactly just some basic ones would be welcome

Mage books / map ones
Buff timers
A merchant one?

Nothing else really needed tbh.

LadyLethalla · January 2017

It would be great if they could ASK us what we most wanted and then... idk, gave us some indication of what could be done and when... but I'm not holding my breath.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

NONONONONONONONONO

I know you all mean well, and yes some add ons would be helpful, but it's the most slippery of slopes. Look up Miat's "I'm going to break the game" PVP add on or "Cheat Engine" for perfect examples.

Every quarter ZOS adds a few helpful things. Let them do it. Opening up the API for 300 awesome things is not worth either of the two abominations that I already mentioned.

Exactly just some basic ones would be welcome

Mage books / map ones
Buff timers
A merchant one?

Nothing else really needed tbh.

I think buff timers are coming, but (and maybe I'm the weird one) I got a pretty good mental clock on things. I don't really see this one as a big deal. If they add it, cool, whatever.

Mage books: Google. Leave some mystery to this one for those who want it, and for those who want to power level, everything is only a google search away.

Merchant: I gotta disagree here. I do a lot of trading. I commonly sell 25k+ a day. As much as it's annoying to go ESO shopping, I really don't want anything that simulates a global auction house. The upside of a GAH is obviously convenience for the buyer. The downside is it drives the prices down for a majority of items while driving then astronomically higher for the top items. It just becomes too easy to game the market. The last thing I want to see is the Tempering Alloy market become FIFA Ultimate team. Things like Reporas would get gobbled up the moment they get listed and resold at a much higher price.

Anyway, there are a bunch of edge improvements that can be made across the system for things like keeping the same search, or managing sets in your bank. Stuff like that I'm all for. I just want to make certain anything sweeping is well thought out.

Lastly, I don't want to stifle creativity. There are many brilliant people who can make mods, but once Pandora's Box is open we can't go back. It only takes 1 under the radar bad mod to ruin everything. Let's let PC keep them, and let the folks who enjoy not having to worry about stuff like that have our place too.

SublimeSparo · January 2017

If Master writs and housing goes through as it is on PTS Tempering alloy is about to skyrocket in price. 50k by mid year i'm calling it now

Unsent.Soul · January 2017

SublimeSparo wrote: »

If Master writs and housing goes through as it is on PTS Tempering alloy is about to skyrocket in price. 50k by mid year i'm calling it now

I'll be saving mine from here on out... after I gold out 1 more weapon.

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

The brick wall here is Microsoft and Sony. They are fussy about add-ons to games, and they have to conform to policies set by them.

Stop....

If ZOS developed the game to have one UI, it would be likely but instead these devs created seperate UI's so forget about it.

Heck the devs can't create a smooth running console game now, how would adding mods be any good?

Whiphid · January 2017

No need for add-ons. But ZOS should definitely pay attention to what mods are popular on PC and give interesting features.
Then they should put those features in the base game.

Just of the top of my head (mostly QoL stuff):

- Buff/debuff counters. Most of the things on my sorc give a blue effect, making it difficult to see which is currently active and when my shields need re-upping and such.

- That one where you can hide all the "known" motifs, making the search 100x easier, esp with all the new ones coming out each update. Wading tru 100s and 100s of Hollowjacks, Mercenary and Skinchanger to find the few missing Dominion motifs is a royal PITA.

But please keep the user-generated stuff away from consoles.

dposdb14_ESO · January 2017

I would love to see buff timers added to console. I currently main a sorc, and while running lightning form it is very difficult to see my frags when ready or when my power surge drops. And when using curse I either have to keep count in my head, not that bad, or listen for the audible queue which is sometimes impossible hear with everything else going on.
Heck it doesn't need to be a timer, just an icon that is visible that comes and goes with the buff/debuff....you know like in almost every other mmo....

MrBrandon · January 2017

Console buff timers have already been confirmed by ZOS. Hopefully sometime this year. That's as close as we'll get.

DurzoBlint13 · January 2017

all I want is a damage report at the end of the boss fight. Show DPS/healing parses for each character. Is that really too much to ask?

DHale · January 2017

Sony and Microsoft are not ever going to allow add ons. That said ZOS should have many these in the ui by now.

danno8 · January 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

NONONONONONONONONO

I know you all mean well, and yes some add ons would be helpful, but it's the most slippery of slopes. Look up Miat's "I'm going to break the game" PVP add on or "Cheat Engine" for perfect examples.

Every quarter ZOS adds a few helpful things. Let them do it. Opening up the API for 300 awesome things is not worth either of the two abominations that I already mentioned.

Please don't lump Cheatengine in with addons.

Cheatengine is a memory hacking piece of software. Addons use the LUA functions that ZoS explicitly allows and can do nothing that ZoS does not explicitly allow.

SanTii.92 · January 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

NONONONONONONONONO

I know you all mean well, and yes some add ons would be helpful, but it's the most slippery of slopes. Look up Miat's "I'm going to break the game" PVP add on or "Cheat Engine" for perfect examples.

Every quarter ZOS adds a few helpful things. Let them do it. Opening up the API for 300 awesome things is not worth either of the two abominations that I already mentioned.

So you think cheat engine is an addon?

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

NONONONONONONONONO

I know you all mean well, and yes some add ons would be helpful, but it's the most slippery of slopes. Look up Miat's "I'm going to break the game" PVP add on or "Cheat Engine" for perfect examples.

Every quarter ZOS adds a few helpful things. Let them do it. Opening up the API for 300 awesome things is not worth either of the two abominations that I already mentioned.

So you think cheat engine is an addon?

Maybe it isn't. My apologies. Still Miat's certainly is, and I wanted to show the potential danger of opening up the API. Concerning oneself with what is or is not an add-on is irrelevant when there is nothing allowed whatsoever.

Just let ZOS handle it. We already have floaty numbers and a few other things that have been added since launch.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

Most people need to be told when to dodge iirc.

Weasel_Tunneler · January 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

NONONONONONONONONO

I know you all mean well, and yes some add ons would be helpful, but it's the most slippery of slopes. Look up Miat's "I'm going to break the game" PVP add on or "Cheat Engine" for perfect examples.

Every quarter ZOS adds a few helpful things. Let them do it. Opening up the API for 300 awesome things is not worth either of the two abominations that I already mentioned.

Wtf? What does Cheat Engine have to do with Addons? Do you know how Cheat Engine works? and how Addons works? Addons are Lua based files that call in APIs to create new features in-game. The Addons are limited to only APIs calls and can't modify or add anything that may compromise the gameplay to the addon user him/herself and others players.

Cheat Engine is a Memory Address Modify software that can change memory values, and Cheat Engine usually only works on single player games where there are local values, ESO is a server side game.

jedtb16_ESO · January 2017

Eleusian wrote: »

GawdSB wrote: »

I'm curious. How do the addons for Skyrim work? Could they not implement it the same for this?

They work ez. In the selection menus of both skyrim & fallout 4 there's a mod link. Pretty ez and you can disable at anytime. It's a L2 Develop issue I think on ZOS part.

no. it's learn to permit on the part of sony and microsoft. same issue on fo4 at the beginning.

Brrrofski · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

NONONONONONONONONO

I know you all mean well, and yes some add ons would be helpful, but it's the most slippery of slopes. Look up Miat's "I'm going to break the game" PVP add on or "Cheat Engine" for perfect examples.

Every quarter ZOS adds a few helpful things. Let them do it. Opening up the API for 300 awesome things is not worth either of the two abominations that I already mentioned.

Exactly just some basic ones would be welcome

Mage books / map ones
Buff timers
A merchant one?

Nothing else really needed tbh.

Exactly.

Mage guild books
Skyshards
Buff timers
Guild stores.

The last two mainly. Buff trackers the big one. It would be nice, but I'm pretty good with keeping track manually to be honest. As far as guild stores, I'd be fine with a "last search" option. Hit that and the last filters you used are set. That would be a HUGE improvement alone.

method__01 · January 2017

is it that difficult to have a search function for guild stores?must go all the way from Wrothgar to Elden Root or wherever stores are and search for 1 ring or 1 bow
also when buff timer will be ready?a month ago was "soon" iirc

Lukums1 · January 2017

Not having a buff tracker in a 2017 mmorpg is a complete joke... and should be treated a such.

Croblasta · January 2017

Can you explain how this is a Sony/Microsoft issue when other games have add ons?

This game has been out on console for a while now and still lacks basic UI that would save people a lot of time and headaches.

Takes-No-Prisoner · January 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Mage books: Google. Leave some mystery to this one for those who want it, and for those who want to power level, everything is only a google search away.

I pretty much did this to get Mage Guild lv 10. Takes a couple of hours, but it works like a charm.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

Croblasta wrote: »

Can you explain how this is a Sony/Microsoft issue when other games have add ons?

This game has been out on console for a while now and still lacks basic UI that would save people a lot of time and headaches.

Because these very very few games had them approved and backed by the publisher. ..iirc zos just "allows" these programs...approving them as safe for operating on a machine is another matter. I'm sure zos can fight of a liability issue with an individual...but if MS comes knocking if you've caused an upset but permitting stuff made by whoever ..different question altogether.

Hence look at that pvp log add o ...only when it was raised here about causing some issues iirc did zos "evaluate it"