With more and more motifs and DLCs default capacity needs to be increased

skiptomyluau · January 2017

Keeping up with style stones mats and what not gets more and more impossible with each update. I only do BS cloth and wood on my main. Just hit enchant 50 but don't really carry much runes. My inventory sits at 90/130 before any siege or alternate armor sets. Bank maxed to make crafting those 3 viable.

With homestead forcing a 'one crafter' setup I feel like ESO is eliminating 95% of players from using the content without a sub.

I'm not saying to go overboard but a few more new motifs and styles/crafted sets and crafting will be unviable for non-sub players. I think a tweak is in order. Nothing drastic to make the crafting bag worthless, but just enough to keep non-sub viable. Maybe on the order of 20 slots.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

It's probably part of then plan to get people to sub.

Stopnaggin · January 2017

skiptomyluau wrote: »

Keeping up with style stones mats and what not gets more and more impossible with each update. I only do BS cloth and wood on my main. Just hit enchant 50 but don't really carry much runes. My inventory sits at 90/130 before any siege or alternate armor sets. Bank maxed to make crafting those 3 viable.

With homestead forcing a 'one crafter' setup I feel like ESO is eliminating 95% of players from using the content without a sub.

I'm not saying to go overboard but a few more new motifs and styles/crafted sets and crafting will be unviable for non-sub players. I think a tweak is in order. Nothing drastic to make the crafting bag worthless, but just enough to keep non-sub viable. Maybe on the order of 20 slots.

As a sub with the bag I am personally comfortable with offering a limited craft bag for non subs. Now granted I carry somewhere in the neighborhood of 50k different mats probably even more. I would think allowing a bag to buy that would hold at max 2 or 3 stack of each material. While you won't possibly hold that many the option would be nice for crafters in general. Or possibly 500 of each reagents more for ore, wood and cloth, runes and such.

I would personally make it like the back pack, start small and add more space with crowns, but only up to a set limit.

idk · January 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

skiptomyluau wrote: »

Keeping up with style stones mats and what not gets more and more impossible with each update. I only do BS cloth and wood on my main. Just hit enchant 50 but don't really carry much runes. My inventory sits at 90/130 before any siege or alternate armor sets. Bank maxed to make crafting those 3 viable.

With homestead forcing a 'one crafter' setup I feel like ESO is eliminating 95% of players from using the content without a sub.

I'm not saying to go overboard but a few more new motifs and styles/crafted sets and crafting will be unviable for non-sub players. I think a tweak is in order. Nothing drastic to make the crafting bag worthless, but just enough to keep non-sub viable. Maybe on the order of 20 slots.

As a sub with the bag I am personally comfortable with offering a limited craft bag for non subs. Now granted I carry somewhere in the neighborhood of 50k different mats probably even more. I would think allowing a bag to buy that would hold at max 2 or 3 stack of each material. While you won't possibly hold that many the option would be nice for crafters in general. Or possibly 500 of each reagents more for ore, wood and cloth, runes and such.

I would personally make it like the back pack, start small and add more space with crowns, but only up to a set limit.

But Zos is not comfortable with offering a limited crafting bag to non subs. It was a business decision to make it ESO+.

Nothing requires us to horde matts. It's a choice and if we choose to clog our inventory then that's a choice as well.

skiptomyluau · January 2017

I was referring to regular carrying capacity not a new bag (although that would be awesome). Granted I still have slots on my horse and I guess I can spend a zillion gold on upgrades but what good does that do in the meantime while are waiting 2 months on horse to get fat

Stopnaggin · January 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

skiptomyluau wrote: »

Keeping up with style stones mats and what not gets more and more impossible with each update. I only do BS cloth and wood on my main. Just hit enchant 50 but don't really carry much runes. My inventory sits at 90/130 before any siege or alternate armor sets. Bank maxed to make crafting those 3 viable.

With homestead forcing a 'one crafter' setup I feel like ESO is eliminating 95% of players from using the content without a sub.

I'm not saying to go overboard but a few more new motifs and styles/crafted sets and crafting will be unviable for non-sub players. I think a tweak is in order. Nothing drastic to make the crafting bag worthless, but just enough to keep non-sub viable. Maybe on the order of 20 slots.

As a sub with the bag I am personally comfortable with offering a limited craft bag for non subs. Now granted I carry somewhere in the neighborhood of 50k different mats probably even more. I would think allowing a bag to buy that would hold at max 2 or 3 stack of each material. While you won't possibly hold that many the option would be nice for crafters in general. Or possibly 500 of each reagents more for ore, wood and cloth, runes and such.

I would personally make it like the back pack, start small and add more space with crowns, but only up to a set limit.

But Zos is not comfortable with offering a limited crafting bag to non subs. It was a business decision to make it ESO+.

Nothing requires us to horde matts. It's a choice and if we choose to clog our inventory then that's a choice as well.

I know it's a choice, but what don't see is the harm in offering a limited bag for crowns. Not saying a full blown unlimited number. I mean there other ways around it anyway, much easier on console as we can create accounts and make a personal guild bank without violating the TOS.
That would be an extra 500 slots for use that ZOS doesn't make any money on. So by offering a bag, bought and upgraded with crowns only, wouldn't be a bad idea.

Again just opinion from a sub who has the bag. This wouldn't hurt my feelings, maybe my bank but not my feelings. As of now I can buy mats especially style stones for cheap because they can't horde them.

Stopnaggin · January 2017

skiptomyluau wrote: »

I was referring to regular carrying capacity not a new bag (although that would be awesome). Granted I still have slots on my horse and I guess I can spend a zillion gold on upgrades but what good does that do in the meantime while are waiting 2 months on horse to get fat

Some have suggest offering a bag before it was met with mixed reviews of course. Don't get me wrong there should be perks for subs.

I don't need to feel that special. I never liked the fact that after 200 you had to use another inventory slot. The bag doesn't work that way, so they could change that I suppose.

jedtb16_ESO · January 2017

make some alts for that extra storage?

QUEZ420 · January 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's probably part of then plan to get people to sub.

This. That part tho.

jaye63 · January 2017

Toon maintenance is a pain. Learn it, live it, love...er hate it. But it's a part of MMOs so ya gotta stay on top of it. Buy some crowns, add some toon slots, creat Mules. I have a few. The Mapbook, Another Mapbook, Nirnrooted Newbfish, Onesixty Weapons, and Onesixty Gear. My game day starts with Horse Training, then gear/mat sorting and then playing.

Sorry but what Im seeing from OP is that he isnt translating weight in Skyrim to max capacity in TESO. Pretty much the same thing so dont come at me with the bottomless storage of chests and cabinets. You still have to manage your stuff. And really, you expected anything different from an MMO? Is this your first one? If not, you should know this already.

skiptomyluau · January 2017

I get that. What I'm saying is they are de facto putting content behind a paywall. I was just saying it nicely

Darkestnght · January 2017

130 seems pretty low. It should be more like 180 - 190. It is not that hard to get to if you max out mount capacity and buy a few back pack upgrades.

Jim_Pipp · January 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's probably part of then plan to get people to sub.

The very first answer. It makes it so non-subbers have to spend hours managing their inventory to craft as well as a subber. New players won't notice this, but by endgame it almost forces people to sub.

An acquaintance recently told me they have a 'system' that works out cheaper than subbing. They have a load of eso accounts - enough to have their own guild - and they just fill those up. One day they say they will sub for a month to move everything into the craft bag. Lets say the 9 accounts cost £10 each (I think you could find them cheaper), so they cost about the same as 1 years subscription BUT (my friend says) he will only ever need to sub very occasionally to move it all back onto his main account.

If you are playing the game for years it will probably be a cheaper system (but incredibly tedious)

IronCrystal · January 2017

I also did the guild system as well, but I didn't make alt accounts for it.

I simply went around the noob zones mass spamming invites and got about 75 people to join.

I only needed 10 but I made a buffer for myself for those who will inevitably leave.

Make sure not to give anyone else permissions for it except yourself.

While it is frustrating to have to go to your guild bank every time you need crafting materials, it's a way around the need for craft bag.

L2Pissue · January 2017

if you are not ESO+ and have alot of characters, you'll never be able to properly sort your bank to store anything so you'll have to aquire ESO+ for crafting bag..
there was also a ZOS dev who said they'll like to increase storage but they dont want to because its some extra hours on the office and they're running on a budget, and its the people's problem if they dont have access to crafting bag not theirs

ThePaleItalian · January 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

skiptomyluau wrote: »

Keeping up with style stones mats and what not gets more and more impossible with each update. I only do BS cloth and wood on my main. Just hit enchant 50 but don't really carry much runes. My inventory sits at 90/130 before any siege or alternate armor sets. Bank maxed to make crafting those 3 viable.

With homestead forcing a 'one crafter' setup I feel like ESO is eliminating 95% of players from using the content without a sub.

I'm not saying to go overboard but a few more new motifs and styles/crafted sets and crafting will be unviable for non-sub players. I think a tweak is in order. Nothing drastic to make the crafting bag worthless, but just enough to keep non-sub viable. Maybe on the order of 20 slots.

As a sub with the bag I am personally comfortable with offering a limited craft bag for non subs. Now granted I carry somewhere in the neighborhood of 50k different mats probably even more. I would think allowing a bag to buy that would hold at max 2 or 3 stack of each material. While you won't possibly hold that many the option would be nice for crafters in general. Or possibly 500 of each reagents more for ore, wood and cloth, runes and such.

I would personally make it like the back pack, start small and add more space with crowns, but only up to a set limit.

Whut?? How are you carrying 50K different mats?

arena25 · January 2017

skiptomyluau wrote: »

Keeping up with style stones mats and what not gets more and more impossible with each update. I only do BS cloth and wood on my main. Just hit enchant 50 but don't really carry much runes. My inventory sits at 90/130 before any siege or alternate armor sets. Bank maxed to make crafting those 3 viable.

With homestead forcing a 'one crafter' setup I feel like ESO is eliminating 95% of players from using the content without a sub.

I'm not saying to go overboard but a few more new motifs and styles/crafted sets and crafting will be unviable for non-sub players. I think a tweak is in order. Nothing drastic to make the crafting bag worthless, but just enough to keep non-sub viable. Maybe on the order of 20 slots.

I think this is a good idea.

Just 20 slots as a *free sample* would not hurt ZOS' sub population. And also, I think just seeing how convenient the crafting bag is with this *free sample* would probably cause people to sub, thereby accomplishing ZOS' goal. It's a win-win for everyone.

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

Pretty sure someone on here stated last week that they're about to allow us to stack motif pages. I may or may not have just imagined that, though.

Stopnaggin · January 2017

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

skiptomyluau wrote: »

Keeping up with style stones mats and what not gets more and more impossible with each update. I only do BS cloth and wood on my main. Just hit enchant 50 but don't really carry much runes. My inventory sits at 90/130 before any siege or alternate armor sets. Bank maxed to make crafting those 3 viable.

With homestead forcing a 'one crafter' setup I feel like ESO is eliminating 95% of players from using the content without a sub.

I'm not saying to go overboard but a few more new motifs and styles/crafted sets and crafting will be unviable for non-sub players. I think a tweak is in order. Nothing drastic to make the crafting bag worthless, but just enough to keep non-sub viable. Maybe on the order of 20 slots.

As a sub with the bag I am personally comfortable with offering a limited craft bag for non subs. Now granted I carry somewhere in the neighborhood of 50k different mats probably even more. I would think allowing a bag to buy that would hold at max 2 or 3 stack of each material. While you won't possibly hold that many the option would be nice for crafters in general. Or possibly 500 of each reagents more for ore, wood and cloth, runes and such.

I would personally make it like the back pack, start small and add more space with crowns, but only up to a set limit.

Whut?? How are you carrying 50K different mats?

50k in different mats as in I have 15k in alkahest ruby ingots wood and cloth, that's over 60k in mats right there. How about I say over 50k assorted mats is that better?

Stopnaggin · January 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Pretty sure someone on here stated last week that they're about to allow us to stack motif pages. I may or may not have just imagined that, though.

No they did say that and recipes I believe.

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Pretty sure someone on here stated last week that they're about to allow us to stack motif pages. I may or may not have just imagined that, though.

No they did say that and recipes I believe.

Yay, I'm not going senile \o/

Kodrac · January 2017

Craft bag

AlnilamE · January 2017

OP, I'm impressed that you can function with 130 slots. All my characters are at 200 and I have trouble keeping their inventories under control. I also have max bank space and ESO+

There are just so many sets that look interesting...

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

skiptomyluau wrote: »

Keeping up with style stones mats and what not gets more and more impossible with each update. I only do BS cloth and wood on my main. Just hit enchant 50 but don't really carry much runes. My inventory sits at 90/130 before any siege or alternate armor sets. Bank maxed to make crafting those 3 viable.

With homestead forcing a 'one crafter' setup I feel like ESO is eliminating 95% of players from using the content without a sub.

I'm not saying to go overboard but a few more new motifs and styles/crafted sets and crafting will be unviable for non-sub players. I think a tweak is in order. Nothing drastic to make the crafting bag worthless, but just enough to keep non-sub viable. Maybe on the order of 20 slots.

As a sub with the bag I am personally comfortable with offering a limited craft bag for non subs. Now granted I carry somewhere in the neighborhood of 50k different mats probably even more. I would think allowing a bag to buy that would hold at max 2 or 3 stack of each material. While you won't possibly hold that many the option would be nice for crafters in general. Or possibly 500 of each reagents more for ore, wood and cloth, runes and such.

I would personally make it like the back pack, start small and add more space with crowns, but only up to a set limit.

But Zos is not comfortable with offering a limited crafting bag to non subs. It was a business decision to make it ESO+.

Nothing requires us to horde matts. It's a choice and if we choose to clog our inventory then that's a choice as well.

I know it's a choice, but what don't see is the harm in offering a limited bag for crowns. Not saying a full blown unlimited number. I mean there other ways around it anyway, much easier on console as we can create accounts and make a personal guild bank without violating the TOS.
That would be an extra 500 slots for use that ZOS doesn't make any money on. So by offering a bag, bought and upgraded with crowns only, wouldn't be a bad idea.

Again just opinion from a sub who has the bag. This wouldn't hurt my feelings, maybe my bank but not my feelings. As of now I can buy mats especially style stones for cheap because they can't horde them.

Honestly, I think they should just make the craft bag part of the game for free. It's such a QoL improvement. They would earn a lot of goodwill that way. And I say that as a subscriber.

Karius_Imalthar · January 2017

I want you to stop and think for a moment. Your argument is basically saying that they should either A. Stop adding content. or B. Give you things and ignoring option C. You give them some things (dollars) and you get content and things in return.

Delpi · January 2017

This is my inventory right now...

skiptomyluau · January 2017

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

I want you to stop and think for a moment. Your argument is basically saying that they should either A. Stop adding content. or B. Give you things and ignoring option C. You give them some things (dollars) and you get content and things in return.

Yes option B. If you add more and more materials to the game then yes you should scale inventory capacity accordingly. And I did give them money. For the game and DLCs

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

Craft bag

But there's a lot of items that cant be put in the bag... All the new sets from 1T or house furniture..

skiptomyluau · January 2017

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Craft bag

But there's a lot of items that cant be put in the bag... All the new sets from 1T or house furniture..

Ding ding somebody gets it

Stopnaggin · January 2017

skiptomyluau wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Craft bag

But there's a lot of items that cant be put in the bag... All the new sets from 1T or house furniture..

Ding ding somebody gets it

And while some get it, by offering a paid limited bag you would indeed free up inventory space. In no way should any of us be able to have everything in game in our bank. This is where choices comes into play. Here's an idea for furniture, put it in your house. As far as sets they are easy enough to get.

Never did understand how a recipe took up as much space as the entire meal or a motif page taking as much space as an entire book. Crafting is a different animal from the rest of the game. Just from a resource standpoint it take more inventory to be successful.

Stopnaggin · January 2017

AlnilamE wrote: »

OP, I'm impressed that you can function with 130 slots. All my characters are at 200 and I have trouble keeping their inventories under control. I also have max bank space and ESO+

There are just so many sets that look interesting...

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

skiptomyluau wrote: »

Keeping up with style stones mats and what not gets more and more impossible with each update. I only do BS cloth and wood on my main. Just hit enchant 50 but don't really carry much runes. My inventory sits at 90/130 before any siege or alternate armor sets. Bank maxed to make crafting those 3 viable.

With homestead forcing a 'one crafter' setup I feel like ESO is eliminating 95% of players from using the content without a sub.

I'm not saying to go overboard but a few more new motifs and styles/crafted sets and crafting will be unviable for non-sub players. I think a tweak is in order. Nothing drastic to make the crafting bag worthless, but just enough to keep non-sub viable. Maybe on the order of 20 slots.

As a sub with the bag I am personally comfortable with offering a limited craft bag for non subs. Now granted I carry somewhere in the neighborhood of 50k different mats probably even more. I would think allowing a bag to buy that would hold at max 2 or 3 stack of each material. While you won't possibly hold that many the option would be nice for crafters in general. Or possibly 500 of each reagents more for ore, wood and cloth, runes and such.

I would personally make it like the back pack, start small and add more space with crowns, but only up to a set limit.

But Zos is not comfortable with offering a limited crafting bag to non subs. It was a business decision to make it ESO+.

Nothing requires us to horde matts. It's a choice and if we choose to clog our inventory then that's a choice as well.

I know it's a choice, but what don't see is the harm in offering a limited bag for crowns. Not saying a full blown unlimited number. I mean there other ways around it anyway, much easier on console as we can create accounts and make a personal guild bank without violating the TOS.
That would be an extra 500 slots for use that ZOS doesn't make any money on. So by offering a bag, bought and upgraded with crowns only, wouldn't be a bad idea.

Again just opinion from a sub who has the bag. This wouldn't hurt my feelings, maybe my bank but not my feelings. As of now I can buy mats especially style stones for cheap because they can't horde them.

Honestly, I think they should just make the craft bag part of the game for free. It's such a QoL improvement. They would earn a lot of goodwill that way. And I say that as a subscriber.

Imo I'm for the bag with crowns but it would have to be limited. I'm not saying that as in I only want me to have a bag because I sub, but more from the standpoint of value for my sub. If I could just buy an unlimited bag I would probably unsub as the bag is the only perk that's worth it imo. 1500 crowns a month isn't worth what it used to be, with cs exclusive motifs and over priced mounts.