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Khaos_Bane wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert and @Wrobel

Stop nerfing awesome class skills that differentiate the classes, I am sick of it. Stop homogenizing skills and listening to all the dumb nerf threads because a class skill is good.

You have nerfed the best unique Sorc skills in the past, you have been laying the wood to unique Templar skills for many updates and really messed with DK in the past. Recently nerfed Swallow Soul on the NB this patch? Why? That doesn't even make sense.

Knock it off or you are going to turn this awesome game into a boring vanilla game with minimal differences between the classes.

Some skilled get nerfed because they are unbalanced. Simple.

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

Not up for the challenge?

What are you talking about ? It has nothing to do with challenge, stay on topic.

Ebbs and flows of MMO's... see you don't even have to pay me for my rhythmical skills.

But changes happen all through the life of MMO's. Some for the better, some for the worse, depending on your opinion. Which skill are you referring too? Examples of how they are now "vanilla"?

Strife's only really used for vMSA and PvP anyway, and even with the nerf it's dirt cheap

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Which skill are you referring too? Examples of how they are now "vanilla"?

Patch Notes wrote:

• Blazing Spear (Spear Shards morph): Increased the duration of this morph to 8 seconds from 6 seconds, causing it to tick damage an additional 2 times; however, it no longer stuns the enemy when it first hits them.
• Velocious Curse (Daedric Curse morph):
  Renamed this morph to Haunting Curse.
  This morph no longer shortens the duration of the curse to 3.5 seconds from 6 seconds; instead, it causes the curse to echo and trigger one additional time 6 seconds after the first explosion.

ZOS_RichLambert wrote:

Simplifying some of the more intense rotations to make them a bit easier for players of all skill levels

• Stun Removal on Blazing Spear – This change falls into the “simplify” category. We increased the duration of the damage on this ability to simplify the rotation. In addition we removed the stun component. Now the morph choices are more damage or more resources and disorient. (CC)
• Haunting Curse – This one falls into the “simplify” category. The goal was to free up globals for more abilities to be cast with this change. (i.e. – every 10.5 seconds you get to use 3 more abilities)

Balanced : I use it.
Broken : You use it.

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

You claim you want to stop homogenization yet you think allowing 2h to be treated as two pieces to a set bonus is a balanced idea? Swallow soul's cost was broken because of the cp system. Not the skill's fault, but that's just the reality of the game currently. Remove cp and maybe they can revert the swallow soul nerf, but until then it was an 8k plus damage skill that healed, gave minor vitality, and activated multiple nb passives for free(not at a low cost, literally for free).

Having Two Hand Weapons just makes sense. It lets you combine two sets and have monster helms, which makes for clean gearing. That is not homogenization of CLASS skills so it is very very different.

MAG NB are already poor DPS in PvE and Swallow Soul is a class defining skill, it SHOULD be awesome. People shouldn't be using force pulse instead of Swallow Soul.

So homogenizing gear choice is ok? The way to support single-handed weapons is by ZOS adding more supplemental 3 piece bonuses like infallible aether or more jewelry sets like agility but that's a topic for another day.

For the record, swallow soul and force pulse deal almost identical single target base damage before taking any class, weapon or racial passives into account.That being said, because of the passives, people who care solely about damage are going to use force pulse . Even without the penetrating magic and elemental force patches, force pulse would still be used because it hits 3 times meaning it has a higher chance to proc other abilities and sets.

As for the final part to your response, why should people be force into using swallow soul instead of force pulse? The only place where force pulse outshines swallow soul is when you are dps nightblade with a competent healer and tank in a group dungeon or trial. vMA swallow soul is better. PvP swallow soul is better. Open world leveling swallow soul is better. Healing funnel health is better. If running a vet dungeon with PuGs I put on swallow soul at the start and evaluate if I want to switch after the first boss. Everything in the game should ideally have a place. Swallow soul has it's place and so does force pulse. If swallow soul trivialized force pulse what would be the point of having the skill in the game?

I disagree with the reasoning for the swallow soul nerf but I don't disagree with the nerf itself. The CP system is what should have been changed so you can't reduce swallow soul's cost to so easily without any tradeoff(adding cp is not a tradeoff of any kind lol). As long as the CP system exists and they keep increasing the cap keep expecting more questionable changes.

And once again, just for others who may come across this post, treating 2h weapons as 2 set piece bonuses is not remotely balanced. Fun? Sure. Balanced? No.

Nerouyn wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Knock it off or you are going to turn this awesome game into a boring vanilla game with minimal differences between the classes.

Never should have been classes in the first place. Not in an Elder Scrolls game.

You have to have classes basically due to min/max in an MMO IMO. The only reason I say this is the massive amount min/max people would make this game so vanilla because they would only use the best skills.

Classes help make the game less vanilla. Unfortunately the Devs seem to be on a trend of making class skills more similar for "fairness".

Why do I think that? Essentially most of the nerf threads that pop up are implemented by the Dev team and I think that hurts the game.

So what if Templars have the best execute, they nerf the unique sorc Overload to a point where few will use it ? Give me a break the Devs are HURTING the game this patch.

Devs took three steps forward with TamOne and one step back with Update 13 IMO. Just shows how the devs are thinking.

@ZOS_RichLambert