Tank or Healer, does both work?

Narvuntien · January 2017

So I am just about to finish the game a second time. Well I have finished the AD and EP allance stories but I am yet to play through DC.
I am aware i can just go to DC and play through it if I wanted but I think I want to play it as it was originally designed with a new character.

People are always looking for tanks or healers, might as well learn that playstyle. My other two characters were Stam and Mag DPS with very different play styles.

What should I play?

Zerok · January 2017

What classes?

Narvuntien · January 2017

Well healers are normally templars right?

I have played NB and DK, so I guess it would have to be a Sorc tank? am I forgetting a class?

RavenRoxie · January 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

Well healers are normally templars right?

I have played NB and DK, so I guess it would have to be a Sorc tank? am I forgetting a class?

Wood Elf Templar Vamp Healer/DPS

I know, it sounds cray cray

But, I'm tellin you.... It is so magically delicious in pvp

Otherwise high elf templars heals are fun.

Never really done a tank. don't really care to

Asardes · January 2017

They have pretty divergent requirements:
- Tank has to have high health, high resistances - from at least 5 pieces of heavy armor - block mitigation, run 1H+S on at least one bar, though that might change in the next update, when ice staff becomes viable both for blocking and range taunting.
- Healer has to have high magicka pool, moderately high magicka recovery - also helpful for tanking - and preferably also moderately high spell damage and critical - more crits and higher ticks mean less spamming of skills - run restoration staff on at least one bar - yes, even if you are templar, resto spells are still cheaper and some of them provide buffs unavailable from class skills. Ideally a healer should run at least 5 pieces of light armor - also most dropped sets useful for healer - Spell Power Cure, Infallible Mage, Worm Cult, Twilight Remedy - come in light.

In practice it's pretty hard to heal tank and do both roles sufficiently well, because you need to sacrifice some utility spells which you could be running for one role in order to run utility skills for the other because there's only 10 slots on your bars. For example you may need to choose between running a CC (ex. scalding rune) and running a support skill (ex. luminous shards.) So my suggestion is to start with one, learn it, then start with the other, and then combine them in one build. In practice it's much easier to run as a healer/DD - they have far closer requirements, build wise - than run as a healer/tank.

Foobiscuit11 · January 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

Well healers are normally templars right?

I have played NB and DK, so I guess it would have to be a Sorc tank? am I forgetting a class?

I did a Sorc tank for my first 50. I went Imperial; if you don't have the Imperial edition, go Redguard or Orc if you want to do DC. Take any morphs that turn abilities into Stamina abilities. Lightning Form gives you some armor and keeps damage on all enemies, and Negate is just amazing as a tank ultimate. You'll be more of a control tank, but I never ran into any problems with mine.

Koolio · January 2017

I run a Templar tank. Magic based with enough heals to do VDSA with 3 DPS. You need to have experienced Dps to make this viable but it works fantastically. Been messing with armor sets but currently love the setup. Not for vet trials but any other content is a breeze.

Asardes · January 2017

Foobiscuit11 wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

Well healers are normally templars right?

I have played NB and DK, so I guess it would have to be a Sorc tank? am I forgetting a class?

I did a Sorc tank for my first 50. I went Imperial; if you don't have the Imperial edition, go Redguard or Orc if you want to do DC. Take any morphs that turn abilities into Stamina abilities. Lightning Form gives you some armor and keeps damage on all enemies, and Negate is just amazing as a tank ultimate. You'll be more of a control tank, but I never ran into any problems with mine.

Sorc tank is pretty fun to play actually. I run an endgame build - very effective in veteran dungeons but for sure won't work in trials. He's a full magicka build Altmer sorcerer with insane sustain, spamming hardened ward and killing stuff with boundless storm, liquid lightning and Infernal Guardian procs, while CC-ing them with shattering prison and constantly healing from crits. Won't work as a healer for sure, since sorcerer is pretty much the worst class to heal on. Even DK is better for that role, since at least has a lot of utility skills and major mending from one of them. Probably the best class for tank/healer is a magicka NB sap tank, at least until the update. They will take a hit from increased cost of funnel health.

azoriangaming · January 2017

if you build correctly you can run both healer and tank at the same time.

GreenhaloX · January 2017

The best way is to try each yourself and see which you would like. Personally, I think a tank or a healer is only necessary in vet dungeons and trials. When you get in the higher levels and have self-heal, you will get away with going normal dungeons, and even certain vet dungeons, without a tank or a healer. I've been in a group where we rolled through certain vet dungeons without a tank or a healer; just because we couldn't get a tank or a healer. However, it is always good to have a tank and/or healer when you can, but not always necessary to have.

Wifeaggro13 · January 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

So I am just about to finish the game a second time. Well I have finished the AD and EP allance stories but I am yet to play through DC.
I am aware i can just go to DC and play through it if I wanted but I think I want to play it as it was originally designed with a new character.

People are always looking for tanks or healers, might as well learn that playstyle. My other two characters were Stam and Mag DPS with very different play styles.

What should I play?

the Game does not really require tanks anymore unless you do VR trials. For the most part i would say just go healer as the meta becomes more and more about DPs and mechanics are ignored with CP you wont enjoy iy much. youll find yourself trying to play the roll but extending the time most reasonibly decent players expect to run there farm run on. more then often in your pledges youll be asked can you run your DPs spec.

WalksonGraves · January 2017

A tank can off heal because tanks and healers have a lot of the same cp distribution but you'll never match the strength and frequency of light armor healing.

DurzoBlint13 · January 2017

Templars make excellent tank/healers....in fact, after the next patch those are probably the only two viable roles for a Templar. Templar tank/healers are great for anything other than a Trial. Running one in a vet dungeon is easy mode because you can have 3 dedicated DPS and still have someone holding agro. They might even be THE best support characters in game for non-Trial settings

Konstant_Tel_Necris · January 2017

Well I play mainly as healer, but I saw two really good tanks builds thats actually can make healer job much easer or even dont require it at all, so you can switch fully DD.

One was DK HP shield tank his shielding abilities protect all who stay close to him, his personal shield was more then 100K
literally there was no need to heal damage as there no damage to health at all.

Second one was NB sap tank he provide damage to enemies and healing to party, I almost didnt need to heal anyone just run some HOTs to proc SPC.

Khaos_Bane · January 2017

Altmer Templar, it's not even close.

If you don't mind the looks and the STENCH, you could try an Argonian Templar....but why would anyone want to do that ?

idk · January 2017

@Narvuntien

While all classes can tank and heal, the Templar has the most utility for healing and the DK has the most utility and best resource management for tanking.

Narvuntien · January 2017

After some thought and some googling I think Breton healer Spell-tank templar with Ice staff, resto-staff might be very good next patch.

Probably a mix of light and heavy armors.

KochDerDamonen · January 2017

Absolutely doable even in Veteran dungeons, you don't actually need to be all that tanky.

When I heal/tank I play on my Argonian Templar, S&B/Resto, 7 Heavy, all Sturdy. My character has all points into Magicka as he heals under normal conditions so I use Health enchants to pump somewhere around 29 or 30k hp with Orzorga's Red Frothgar (Max HP/Magicka Regen drink).

At the moment I use Redistribution(the effect of shooting little heals out of yourself is cool, but the set is pretty bad overall) Healthy Willpower jewels, and Lamae weapons/head/shoulder for some extra resistances.
I'm currently working on collecting Lamia's(When you use an Ultimate ability, you heal you and your allies within 20 meters of you for 30 Health per point of the Ultimate's cost.) to give myself a burst heal option on S&B bar, have Rkugamz in heavy/sturdy ready, and still considering my other set but thinking either Black Rose or Kagrenac's Hope.

With Rune Focus and Blazing Shield on my front bar I can easily sustain myself for long periods where healing others is unnecessary, Defensive Stance is pretty much just slotted to give me even more block reduction and obviously I have Pierce Armor and Heroic Slash for defense shred/taunt and ulti generation, finally Empowering Sweep which gives me extra defense and with Lamia's will be an easy burst heal for emergencies.
On the Restoration staff I rock Ritual of Retribution (damage morph helps that aoe aggro), Rapid Regeneration, emergency Breath of Life, Inner Rage for ranged taunting and this morph because we have heaps of Magicka Recovery, and Repentance because obvious spell is obvious, topped off with Aggressive Warhorn but I sometimes use Light's Champion if a group is having trouble.

I hope this helps! ^^

EDIT: Just as a note, before anything is said. I know that doing this removes utility that your team would otherwise have from both a tank and a healer. If you're playing with 3 dps players and they know the plan, it's entirely easy to cover said utility in their skill bars without making it a loss. Besides, advocating in dungeons not trials

Narvuntien · January 2017

Since I haven't played templar I have no idea what half those skils are.. so much to learn in this game... there is all the ability names and morphs I don't understand.

Yeah I'll be doing dungeons (Mostly to grind gear for my other characters), I have a lot of trouble enjoying dungeons to be honest, my first character was terrible at them and that has scared me off them ever since.. I am hoping playing a more supporting role will help me to enjoy them more.

KochDerDamonen · January 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

Since I haven't played templar I have no idea what half those skils are.. so much to learn in this game... there is all the ability names and morphs I don't understand.

Yeah I'll be doing dungeons (Mostly to grind gear for my other characters), I have a lot of trouble enjoying dungeons to be honest, my first character was terrible at them and that has scared me off them ever since.. I am hoping playing a more supporting role will help me to enjoy them more.

hit me up any time here or in-game (same as forum name, on PC NA or on PS4 as DamonenKoch) if you ever want help with templars