Ganking is a time honored MMO tradition, which can trace its origins almost directly to tabletop D&D gaming with the concept of the rogue/thief class. Ganking is fine. There are counters to ganking such as not straying from your group, helping your buddies when they do get ganked, sneaking around yourself so you don't get ganked.

Night_Wolf2112 wrote: »

What is a Sniper in a real war then? Do they have no honor? They are tasked to go into enemy territory and eliminate high value targets or protect supply lines or simply gather intel. If they are caught, they are killed. Gankers are a war time neccesity... people need to stop crying about someone doing what they are built to do. In a game, you get to respawn.

Difference being is snipers are there to kill and kill only, not rob you. That is probably the biggest gripe, not being killed getting robbed.

It's just a playstyle, and it can be useful to the war effort. I couldn't possibly care less if sometimes I'm the victim.

Not at all...just another play style option in the game!

arena25 wrote: »

Opening a can of worms usually isn't allowed here on the forums, because threads like these get derailed rather quickly and ToS violations are rampant.

Expect this thread to be closed down in the very near future.

That said, I hate gankers because the victim doesn't get a chance to fight back. Whatever happened to honor? A good, honorable fight involves two gladiators facing one another and fighting to the death out in the open. Stealthing is just a coward's way of winning a fight.

@arena25 honour doesnt exist in PVP at all.
Plus NBs have no burst heal, no heavy armour and low health. They need to work to their strengths and just do quick surprising burst damage

I hate gankers but its tolerable if I'm not getting proc'd to death. Back then many players failed at ganking me and end up dying to me after I react.. but now these scrubs are able to basically burst me down with 3 proc sets before i can even react its pathetic.

It doesn't bother me. While it can be annoying sometimes, chances are I was there for combat anyway, and ambushing people is a perfectly valid tactic. If I die, I wait for more of the group or take a slightly different route.

That said, I also understand the frustration of being ganked repeatedly when just trying to quest or explore. And I've seen some ruthless approaches, like camping on skyshards and quest givers. So I prefer to save my nightblade's arrows for the battlefield, or the path to the battle.

Actually, I don't hate gankers. I like the guys that can surprise attack me and kill me. (99% of them are NBs... but that's exactly what the class is supposed to do. That's their role). This is also why I get ticked off when people complain that tanks are hard to kill. No sh*t, Sherlock. That's their role.

Just like how I don't get mad at zergs burning my group down. This is AVA... not 1v1 or 12v12 or 24v24. This is an alliance war- not an arena. So, in Cyrodiil- it's fair game as to however you kill or get killed. The only time I've ever considered fighting in Cyrodiil or Imperial City not fair- is when people cheated with broken skills or the Cheat Engine. Remember the whole "trap beast" fiasco in Imperial City? People would brag about how they 1vXed a group with a broken skill that would auto-wipe a group. That's garbage. Or remember when people were using the Cheat Engine to FLY up keeps or drop multiple meteors? Yeah... that's not "fair" in this war.

Now, when dueling- 1v1 truly tests your skill. When ZoS introduces 4v4 or whatever for their arenas... that's when you test your group skill.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Gankers have existed in this game since Launch.

However, before the removal of softcaps and the addition of the disgusting champion system, gankers had to actually work for their kills.

It was possible to create a really high damage gank build but you actually had to sacrifice a lot for it. It was kill or be killed. Thanks to a variety of factors now, there is very little risk in ganking and most Nightblades lack the testicular fortitude to stay around and try to finish you if they can't insta-gib you with one hit.

I think that's what people really dislike about gankers. Some of my characters are pretty tanky, Some gankblade tries to gank me, fails, I turn on him and attack, get him to low health, then he runs away and cloaks while I'm still in combat for the next 2 minutes.

Props to the ones that stay and fight but the ones who fail and run away are pretty annoying.

So what you are basically saying is you are annoyed by a NB that chooses to live rather than die and having to run all the way back? You would rather them offering themselves to you as a free kill?

Everything about the Stealth in this game is just too overpowered. 1 shot builds now have just as much defense as tanks bcz they can roam just about anywhere undetected.

2 button skill if you can call it a skill

Because I do it too.

Folks like you crying about Gankers are what caused MMO to be some type of care bear type environment nowadays. If you don't want to get ganked then stay clear of Cyrodiil

I actually don't even understand why Ganking exists.

Nevermind the reason people do it. But the targets.. how does one even get ganked? The last time I ran Cyrodil, I usually ran with 1-3 other people. Running with a group like that means gankers will leave you alone. There's just no point into getting into a 1-4 where you're going to die in seconds.

But people run solo in PVP. I never understood the reason for that. I mean all you can do is just click people to death for a bit of AP. You're not going to take territories by yourself. You're not going to win the map on your own. And when you solo, the best you can hope for is a 1 on 1 fight. And then you see x class with y ability is OP, or z set is OP, or whatever. It doesn't take long in these forums to find players who have 'balance' issues in PVP that could be mitigated or negated by joining a group.

Its not like dungeons. You can load up a group with all DPS if you wanted and still be somewhat effective. Dozens times more effective than lone wolfing it. And as I've described you can't be ganked. So why don't the 28% (as of this writing) of players who don't like being ganked, just group?

I mean join Cyrodil, announce you wish to join or start a non-ganked group. And hang around each other and go farm AP. I mean if its 1 out of every 4 people that don't like being ganked. Why not put forth the effort to avoid it by hooking up? Or are you all not being entirely serious and its not really that bad of an issue that you'll still continue to risk it? I mean which is it?