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Should the LOL forum flag be brought back? REVISITED!
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I agree we need a disagree button. Lol was being abused in a childish way to ridicule, which didn't do anything other than make yourself look better than the other person and erecting the spine of epeens across tamriel. Although I do think we need a way to voice our opinion by giving a 'thumbs down' or 'disagree'.Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Ourorboros wrote: »
^^^^^^This is why we lost it in the first place. Ridicule is a form of bullying. There is no place for bullying on the forum, even in response to harebrained ideas. Ridicule is immature and mean. I hated to lose the LOL, but those post, which appear real, not sarcasm, demonstrate zos may have made the right decision. I'd like the LOL to appreciate a good laugh, but I'll just say that in a post if that's what it takes to rein in egotistic pricks who think it's okay to have a good laugh at others expense.
Can we just not be so sensitive and stop labeling everything as bullying and get our LOL's back? LOL always had a duel purpose. Sometimes you LOL because someone cracked a funny. Sometimes you LOL because what they said was so far in outerspace that the signal shouldn't have even reached this planet yet. Both examples are great uses of the LOL button.
Amen, brother. This political correctness mumbojumbo needs to DIAF.
I want to be allowed to express displeasure and disagreement, as simple as I am able to do it for agreement. I want a disagree button. I want a dumb button. Make expression of opinion great again.
Why can we only vote positive? It is a load of bull thats what it is. It is a problem that surpasses the boundaries of these forums. It is a problem in large parts of the world actually. A lot of the people who grow up now, the 'curling generation', are only used to receiving positive feedback (I'm still young myself at 25, so I know what I'm talking about). Everything they do is good and awsome. And when they have problems, their parents make them believe it is not their fault, but rather the fault of others (teachers, class mates, etc.). People are more and more becoming 'alergic' and unable to receive criticism and will scream stuff like 'bully' and 'hater' at every thing that puts them 'in a bad light'. Its pathetic.
Hahaha seriously when I saw this thread the first thing I thought of was that lol spammer of yours. It was quite the topic back then on the forums XD.starkerealm wrote: »
Allegedly, at least according to an old dev post, it was removed because people were using it to troll specific people or even entire threads.Why was it removed?
Nowadays, you would think would be better behaving, and I have seen lots of post asking where the LOL flag is, but since I want the entire community's response to this, I'd rather start a poll and find out.
Not really, "allegedly." I remember irking someone idiot back in the day, and seeing one LOL vote pop up on all of my posts until it was finally removed.
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✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »it is / was used as a harrassment and degrade tool.
let the end here. let it stay dead.
Personally, I harrass people with agree, or downright ridicule them with insightful.
Anyway, LOL should return, but only as scambox reward.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd rather have the "Like" button make a comeback.
It's the only one where i didn't get all the badges before it went out of style ...
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Lookstowindwards✭✭✭I not only want LOL, but also disagree, FACEPALM and Fascinating...
Seriously: I think if we would get LOL and Disagree, people would not overuse LOL that much.0 -
AjiBuster499✭✭✭I wasn't around when the "LOL" flag was a thing, but there are times when I wish there was an option, because none of the other options fit a hilarious post.tfw your sig gets wound back in time.
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✭✭✭✭✭Disagree would be fine but you would still get people that can't handle being disagreed with and they would still need a safe space and a puppy to hold.4 -
arena25✭✭✭✭✭I completely understand the "No" votes, because of online harrassment...but I don't think just flagging LOL in all of a person's posts is considered harrassment, at least, according to Merriam-Webster's dictionary.
What I consider harrassment is people posting mean things repeatedly in multiple threads.
As someone commented, the only way I can learn whether my ideas is good or bad is reaction flags or posts.
I was the author who opened 2 threads titled "Guns in ESO?". If the LOL flag was still here, they would have generated so many LOL's (because of the sheer dumbness of me), I would instantly reconsider my post.
LOL should be brought back.If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, but there should also be a 'disagree' button so the LOL is used as intended.
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arena25✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »No. It was hardly ever used to imply legitimate humor or insult bad ideas. It was mostly used to troll threads about ridiculously broken or OP tactics by the people abusing ridiculously broken or OP tactics. I seriously cannot remember a single time that LOL made a thread more thoughtful or productive. If you cannot take the time to explain why you disagree with someone, don't fall back on LOL as a lazy substitute.
The problem is, not everyone has the time to write a constructive reply.If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »A Disagree button should suffice
That was also removed, way back when.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Disagree would be fine but you would still get people that can't handle being disagreed with and they would still need a safe space and a puppy to hold.
Nah, more it doesn't provide any useful contribution.
I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "disagree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're wrong for some reason.1 -
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✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »No. It was hardly ever used to imply legitimate humor or insult bad ideas. It was mostly used to troll threads about ridiculously broken or OP tactics by the people abusing ridiculously broken or OP tactics. I seriously cannot remember a single time that LOL made a thread more thoughtful or productive. If you cannot take the time to explain why you disagree with someone, don't fall back on LOL as a lazy substitute.
The problem is, not everyone has the time to write a constructive reply.
The problem is that people who can't be bothered to write a constructive reply still believe their opinion should have an impact.
No. Keep "LOL" dead... and, for the same reason, please don't introduce a disagree button.
Discussion? Yes. Excellent. Bring it on.
Drive-by LOLs? Heck no.3 -
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Exactly, that's the intended purpose of the LOL flag. Or at least, I think it is.
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Disagree would be fine but you would still get people that can't handle being disagreed with and they would still need a safe space and a puppy to hold.
Nah, more it doesn't provide any useful contribution.
I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "disagree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're wrong for some reason.
It actually does serve a purpose. Here's why. Some people make outrageous threads and they get a lot of heated discussion. Especially nerf threads. It would be nice to see that the majority of the community doesn't buy into their crazy idea so I don't have to worry about killing it in the crib before ZOS accidentally follows it.0 -
Soafee✭✭✭Meh. It's just like a down vote button. I like these forums and compared to some other games forums this place is pretty laid back. They enforce the rules and I like that. Not very many people come here to be jerks. Keep it that way
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✭✭✭✭✭some people are comfortable with insulting others and making them feel bad.
i am not, and niether were the devs whom removed the "LOL" button.
it was not productive, it was not good for moral and im glad it was removed.
Edited by Gilvoth on January 12, 2017 6:05AM2 -
Cimadon✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Disagree would be fine but you would still get people that can't handle being disagreed with and they would still need a safe space and a puppy to hold.
Nah, more it doesn't provide any useful contribution.
I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "disagree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're wrong for some reason.
You could say the EXACT same thing about the "agree" button.2 -
Cimadon✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »No. It was hardly ever used to imply legitimate humor or insult bad ideas. It was mostly used to troll threads about ridiculously broken or OP tactics by the people abusing ridiculously broken or OP tactics. I seriously cannot remember a single time that LOL made a thread more thoughtful or productive. If you cannot take the time to explain why you disagree with someone, don't fall back on LOL as a lazy substitute.
The problem is, not everyone has the time to write a constructive reply.
The problem is that people who can't be bothered to write a constructive reply still believe their opinion should have an impact.
No. Keep "LOL" dead... and, for the same reason, please don't introduce a disagree button.
Discussion? Yes. Excellent. Bring it on.
Drive-by LOLs? Heck no.
Again, you could say the EXACT same thing about an agree button. If you ask me, "disagree" and "agree" should live together or die together.
Drive by LOL's are the best kind of LOL's. :-)
Edited by Cimadon on January 12, 2017 7:07AM1 -
pjwb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »No. It was hardly ever used to imply legitimate humor or insult bad ideas. It was mostly used to troll threads about ridiculously broken or OP tactics by the people abusing ridiculously broken or OP tactics. I seriously cannot remember a single time that LOL made a thread more thoughtful or productive. If you cannot take the time to explain why you disagree with someone, don't fall back on LOL as a lazy substitute.
Then you can remove all flags because they never made a thread more thoughtful or productive and im sticking on this drama reality show forum since beta LOL~ here since Beta
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Ok, so then why should "drive-by agrees" be allowed?Dagoth_Rac wrote: »No. It was hardly ever used to imply legitimate humor or insult bad ideas. It was mostly used to troll threads about ridiculously broken or OP tactics by the people abusing ridiculously broken or OP tactics. I seriously cannot remember a single time that LOL made a thread more thoughtful or productive. If you cannot take the time to explain why you disagree with someone, don't fall back on LOL as a lazy substitute.
The problem is, not everyone has the time to write a constructive reply.
The problem is that people who can't be bothered to write a constructive reply still believe their opinion should have an impact.
No. Keep "LOL" dead... and, for the same reason, please don't introduce a disagree button.
Discussion? Yes. Excellent. Bring it on.
Drive-by LOLs? Heck no.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Disagree would be fine but you would still get people that can't handle being disagreed with and they would still need a safe space and a puppy to hold.
Nah, more it doesn't provide any useful contribution.
I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "disagree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're wrong for some reason.
It actually does serve a purpose. Here's why. Some people make outrageous threads and they get a lot of heated discussion. Especially nerf threads. It would be nice to see that the majority of the community doesn't buy into their crazy idea so I don't have to worry about killing it in the crib before ZOS accidentally follows it.
Except, of course, it doesn't actually do that. All it tells ZOS is that there are people out there who dislike the post but don't have the intellectual capacity to respond in a meaningful manor.0 -
Cimadon✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Disagree would be fine but you would still get people that can't handle being disagreed with and they would still need a safe space and a puppy to hold.
Nah, more it doesn't provide any useful contribution.
I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "disagree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're wrong for some reason.
It actually does serve a purpose. Here's why. Some people make outrageous threads and they get a lot of heated discussion. Especially nerf threads. It would be nice to see that the majority of the community doesn't buy into their crazy idea so I don't have to worry about killing it in the crib before ZOS accidentally follows it.
Except, of course, it doesn't actually do that. All it tells ZOS is that there are people out there who dislike the post but don't have the intellectual capacity to respond in a meaningful manor.
OK, this is getting tiresome, again, the same thing can be said about the agree button. Here let me show you:
"All it tells ZOS is that there are people out there who likes the post but don't have the intellectual capacity to respond in a meaningful manor."
And another one:
"I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "agree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're right for some reason."
You have one argument and that''s disagreeing is offending or hurts people's feelings, which is a dangerous and ignorant slope to go down.Edited by Cimadon on January 12, 2017 8:07AM0 -
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✭andreasranasen wrote: »No. "LOL" is not constructive feedback. But if this is something that would be added I want a "YASS" button and a "Gurl bye" button.
I want a Who Dis, Scrub and Potato button as well for PvP threads. Would save a whole lot of typing
Sometimes the Lol button is less destructive than some of the rage threads we have had since it was removed. People explaining their disagreement has gotten nasty at times. I'm fine with LOL coming back.Edited by Curragraigue on January 12, 2017 8:49AMPUG Life - the true test of your skill
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Disagree would be fine but you would still get people that can't handle being disagreed with and they would still need a safe space and a puppy to hold.
Nah, more it doesn't provide any useful contribution.
I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "disagree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're wrong for some reason.
It actually does serve a purpose. Here's why. Some people make outrageous threads and they get a lot of heated discussion. Especially nerf threads. It would be nice to see that the majority of the community doesn't buy into their crazy idea so I don't have to worry about killing it in the crib before ZOS accidentally follows it.
Except, of course, it doesn't actually do that. All it tells ZOS is that there are people out there who dislike the post but don't have the intellectual capacity to respond in a meaningful manor.
OK, this is getting tiresome, again, the same thing can be said about the agree button. Here let me show you:
"All it tells ZOS is that there are people out there who likes the post but don't have the intellectual capacity to respond in a meaningful manor."
And another one:
"I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "agree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're right for some reason."
You have one argument and that''s disagreeing is offending or hurts people's feelings, which is a dangerous and ignorant slope to go down.
Okay, while you're patting yourself on the back for being the last champion of free speech, a few things to remember.
That's not my argument, it's ZOS's official position on why the LOL button was removed.
Second, it was removed because people were abusing it. Not, they could have, they actually were using it to harass other board members. I have had discussions with moderators on the subject.
Third, when I said, "this is why we can't have nice things," it was because, yep, we had it, and as a community proved we could not handle the responsibility. Or at least, that we had some13 year olds in residence.
So, yes, it was abused, and now it's gone.Edited by starkerealm on January 12, 2017 11:45AM0 -
Cimadon✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Disagree would be fine but you would still get people that can't handle being disagreed with and they would still need a safe space and a puppy to hold.
Nah, more it doesn't provide any useful contribution.
I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "disagree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're wrong for some reason.
It actually does serve a purpose. Here's why. Some people make outrageous threads and they get a lot of heated discussion. Especially nerf threads. It would be nice to see that the majority of the community doesn't buy into their crazy idea so I don't have to worry about killing it in the crib before ZOS accidentally follows it.
Except, of course, it doesn't actually do that. All it tells ZOS is that there are people out there who dislike the post but don't have the intellectual capacity to respond in a meaningful manor.
OK, this is getting tiresome, again, the same thing can be said about the agree button. Here let me show you:
"All it tells ZOS is that there are people out there who likes the post but don't have the intellectual capacity to respond in a meaningful manor."
And another one:
"I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "agree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're right for some reason."
You have one argument and that''s disagreeing is offending or hurts people's feelings, which is a dangerous and ignorant slope to go down.starkerealm wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Disagree would be fine but you would still get people that can't handle being disagreed with and they would still need a safe space and a puppy to hold.
Nah, more it doesn't provide any useful contribution.
I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "disagree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're wrong for some reason.
It actually does serve a purpose. Here's why. Some people make outrageous threads and they get a lot of heated discussion. Especially nerf threads. It would be nice to see that the majority of the community doesn't buy into their crazy idea so I don't have to worry about killing it in the crib before ZOS accidentally follows it.
Except, of course, it doesn't actually do that. All it tells ZOS is that there are people out there who dislike the post but don't have the intellectual capacity to respond in a meaningful manor.
OK, this is getting tiresome, again, the same thing can be said about the agree button. Here let me show you:
"All it tells ZOS is that there are people out there who likes the post but don't have the intellectual capacity to respond in a meaningful manor."
And another one:
"I mean, I can come on here and say what I just did. But if I could just click a button and say, "agree," that doesn't really do anything meaningful. It's not valuable feedback to you, there's nothing you can respond to or interact with. Just the knowledge that someone, somewhere, out there, thinks you're right for some reason."
You have one argument and that''s disagreeing is offending or hurts people's feelings, which is a dangerous and ignorant slope to go down.
Okay, while you're patting yourself on the back for being the last champion of free speech, a few things to remember.
That's not my argument, it's ZOS's official position on why the LOL button was removed.
Second, it was removed because people were abusing it. Not, they could have, they actually were using it to harass other board members. I have had discussions with moderators on the subject.
Third, when I said, "this is why we can't have nice things," it was because, yep, we had it, and as a community proved we could not handle the responsibility. Or at least, that we had some13 year olds in residence.
So, yes, it was abused, and now it's gone.
I'm not talking about the LOL button. You argue against the LOL button with alot of examples with a "disagree button". They are not the same.
Actually, I can see that a lol button could be abused, by repeatedly LOL'ing one person's post, you can't quite say the same for agree or awesome. I'm more championing for a disagree button. If "agree" exist's, so should "disagree". Both are respectable.
"Last champion of free speech", would love if you could get that title in ESO.
Edited by Cimadon on January 12, 2017 9:50AM0
