NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Yes and anyone saying no either doesn't buy dlc or doesn't sub.

If you sub, you're buying crowns so you should have selected yes

Only those who don't sub and who only play the base game can say no technically.

rubbish.

i have subbed since the start.... not because i was 'forced*' to but because i chose to.

*for an in context definition of 'forced' see my post above.

@jedtb16_ESO

You have to sub or you have to buy crowns without a sub to access the dlc.

Both are forcing you to buy crowns because ESO plus comes with crowns and dlc without a sub requires crowns.

It's that simple. Ppl are ignoring the fact that unless you only play the vanilla game you're buying crowns.

Period.

You do realize that you're essentially complaining that Zeni isn't giving its DLC away for free? Because the game is now b2p, Zeni can't just give everything out for free. Seriously people.

Gorgoneus wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Gorgoneus wrote: »

So many lackeys voting "no" because they belive this will make them "better" then other people or belive they will be rewarded by ZoS perhaps?
But lets talk true: this is one of the most expensive MMOS I ever seen: you must buy client, subscription and lot a crowns, if you wont play "trial" game. Just look at prices for mounts (in fact - you cant obtain any mounts but horses without crowns) and houses and you'll see.
But of course you better will pretend to be insulted by "poore people" who dont understand anything in this world (and this game especially) and all things here are fine and you just didnt know how to spend more moneys from your owerfulled pockets and show ZoS how loyal you are. Just dont forget this is B2P game, not F2P.
PS: just for the trolls who simulating blindeness - I got preordered emp. edition and subscription for a whyle, but I still havnt any mounts but horse and have not enough ingame gold to buy house larger then medium. And I dont think I must grind guild stores 24/7, because I not suppose to play any "corean" MMO.

I'll simply respond to that in a few points...

1. Learn to spell

2. I can barely understand half of the nonsense you just spewed out.

3. This is hardly the only mmo that locks some of the better content behind pay walls (ever heard of SWTOR, Runescape, etc?). And almost all the content that IS locked behind pay walls in this game is either dlc or just cosmetic items and mounts. So some people really just need to get a grip and stop whining over every little thing.

You are NOT forced to use the crown store. You are NOT at a major disadvantage compared to other players if you don't buy things from the crown store.

1. WoW yes 2017 people still blaming "bad language", how mature. This is not my first language, so dont tell me about this, only if you perfectly known 4-5 other languages, but english.
2. DOnt repeat, I saw your first point.
3. Good boy, just as I said. Holly paladin of ZoS order, just odnt think about their promises before game's release, and swaps from p2p to b2p, and of ocurse dont think about subscription as just an abonement for DLC's access, craft bag is just a useless trash option. But why I still talking with flagellant?

Please refer back to point #2 of my previous post as a response to this as well

i use to keep saying have you checked out the crown store when i forums post
and a few people were like why do you keep saying check out the crown store
then ffwd to this and the current year
an-im-all

Gorgoneus wrote: »

So many lackeys voting "no" because they belive this will make them "better" then other people or belive they will be rewarded by ZoS perhaps?
But lets talk true: this is one of the most expensive MMOS I ever seen: you must buy client, subscription and lot a crowns, if you wont play "trial" game. Just look at prices for mounts (in fact - you cant obtain any mounts but horses without crowns) and houses and you'll see.
But of course you better will pretend to be insulted by "poore people" who dont understand anything in this world (and this game especially) and all things here are fine and you just didnt know how to spend more moneys from your owerfulled pockets and show ZoS how loyal you are. Just dont forget this is B2P game, not F2P.
PS: just for the trolls who simulating blindeness - I got preordered emp. edition and subscription for a whyle, but I still havnt any mounts but horse and have not enough ingame gold to buy house larger then medium. And I dont think I must grind guild stores 24/7, because I not suppose to play any "corean" MMO.

I agree i mean i have the imp pack/any race any alliance and have been subbed. I just dislike how much they charge from stuff THAT IS NOT CONTENT.

I play a war game with planes/tanks etc. and i payed a lot more there for content. As in more tanks/planes.

In ESO content would be DLC`s, new zones, quests, trials, dungeons, pvp and so on.

Also, there is the balancing. Most people i know don`t have 4 million. So making the most expensive house 4 million is a not so gentle nudge to use Crowns. Because even if they would farm and after a lot of time wasted farming they would make 4 million, they would not spend it on a house.

I`ve played MMO`s for a while, never has this whole changing of the entire game to be more "Store friendly" has lead to anything good.

If people think they made them expensive so only the dedicated players can get them.... grow up. You can get them with Crowns instantly even if you are only logging in once a month. That is the reason they made them like this, even the dedicated players might not have enough gold to get even one Manor. Hey but we all have $$$... so why not use that?

Also i see a lot of people with Apex mounts and etc but what are they doing with the money? No new DLC since Dark Brotherhood... well they had the 2 dungeons but that was it.

Reykice wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.

If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.

So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?

Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?

For what it's worth, I seriously doubt the expectation is that we'll buy all the houses, with crowns or gold.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Yes and anyone saying no either doesn't buy dlc or doesn't sub.

If you sub, you're buying crowns so you should have selected yes

Only those who don't sub and who only play the base game can say no technically.

rubbish.

i have subbed since the start.... not because i was 'forced*' to but because i chose to.

*for an in context definition of 'forced' see my post above.

@jedtb16_ESO

You have to sub or you have to buy crowns without a sub to access the dlc.

Both are forcing you to buy crowns because ESO plus comes with crowns and dlc without a sub requires crowns.

It's that simple. Ppl are ignoring the fact that unless you only play the vanilla game you're buying crowns.

Period.

You do realize that you're essentially complaining that Zeni isn't giving its DLC away for free? Because the game is now b2p, Zeni can't just give everything out for free. Seriously people.

@Stovahkiin

I'm not complaining. I believe you're making a terrible assumption

My comment and vote is that to play the game outside of the vanilla content everyone has to buy crowns. So the OP is asking if we are being forced to buy crowns.

Re answer is yes if anyone plays anything that's gated as dlc because it requires ESO plus or crowns.

Why would you make an assumption that I'm complaining.

You do realize I sub and buy crowns.....

Well, actually, no I don't realize you sub and buy crowns, was I supposed to be hiding in your closet and watching what you do irl? If so then please excuse me and I'll get into position asap :P

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Yes and anyone saying no either doesn't buy dlc or doesn't sub.

If you sub, you're buying crowns so you should have selected yes

Only those who don't sub and who only play the base game can say no technically.

rubbish.

i have subbed since the start.... not because i was 'forced*' to but because i chose to.

*for an in context definition of 'forced' see my post above.

@jedtb16_ESO

You have to sub or you have to buy crowns without a sub to access the dlc.

Both are forcing you to buy crowns because ESO plus comes with crowns and dlc without a sub requires crowns.

It's that simple. Ppl are ignoring the fact that unless you only play the vanilla game you're buying crowns.

Period.

jeebus.....

it is a choice i am not forced/coerced into doing it.

this is a form of entertainment i chose

your argument is like saying you are forced to cook bacon before you eat it.

get a grip.

@jedtb16_ESO
No it's not a choice.
Please don't suggest that I need to get a grip on anything.

Literally the only way to play outside of the vanilla game is to buy crowns.

Read the full OP and not just the question. The context of the OP includes the whole game not just certain cosmetic or convenience items.

That's the poll so the answer is yes IF you play more than the vanilla game.


-crafting bag
-dlc
-etc

starkerealm wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.

If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.

So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?

Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?

For what it's worth, I seriously doubt the expectation is that we'll buy all the houses, with crowns or gold.

I agree. But they spent all the time to make them... because they figured the

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Considering the amount of people who vote "no" in this poll, is it the word 'force' that you are reacting against?

A more proper question would probably be "Is the Crown Store being considered in most if not all design decisions made by ESO developers, in such a way as to potentially maximise the number of microtransactions and their profit?"

I would be curious as to what people would reply to that.

But you are forced if you want the houses. Unless people have 25 mil gold and that i really doubt. So if you want the achievements its Crown Store or nothing and many play this for Achievements.

Also the you don`t have to point is stupid why make an entire update for housing if they are all that optional a

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Also i see a lot of people with Apex mounts and etc but what are they doing with the money? No new DLC since Dark Brotherhood... well they had the 2 dungeons but that was it.

Oh I dunno, maybe they're keeping their servers running and paying themselves and each of their employees

Oh you tried to look smart.... but they have been paying employees and running the servers long before there was a Crown Store. So that is not it.

Yes, and the game also used to be fully buy-to-play as well as requiring a constant sub; they hardly needed a crown store for a while after the game was made. "Oh you tried to look smart"...

Actually... back then they had to go Free to Play as the game was so bad most left soon after launch... yet they still managed to keep it going, paying everything and releasing content.

Its just recently they stopped... could it be because all their resources were moved to Crown Store items and stuff they can monetize faster?

Not that the DLC`s don`t make money, but as i said, why bother with a 2k or 3k Crown DLC when a mount is 5k and you can make them a lot faster.

Reykice wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.

If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.

So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?

Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?

For what it's worth, I seriously doubt the expectation is that we'll buy all the houses, with crowns or gold.

I agree. But they spent all the time to make them... because they figured the...

Oh, I believe there's a market for every house in the game. Even the ugly as hell Argonian ones. Someone's going to think that's just perfect. I just don't think they expect a player to buy each one. The most they really expect you to purchase seems to be around 9 or 12 (based on the achievements). That does include the achievements for the three manors, and the associated titles, by the way.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Yes and anyone saying no either doesn't buy dlc or doesn't sub.

If you sub, you're buying crowns so you should have selected yes

Only those who don't sub and who only play the base game can say no technically.

rubbish.

i have subbed since the start.... not because i was 'forced*' to but because i chose to.

*for an in context definition of 'forced' see my post above.

@jedtb16_ESO

You have to sub or you have to buy crowns without a sub to access the dlc.

Both are forcing you to buy crowns because ESO plus comes with crowns and dlc without a sub requires crowns.

It's that simple. Ppl are ignoring the fact that unless you only play the vanilla game you're buying crowns.

Period.

jeebus.....

it is a choice i am not forced/coerced into doing it.

this is a form of entertainment i chose

your argument is like saying you are forced to cook bacon before you eat it.

get a grip.

@jedtb16_ESO
No it's not a choice.
Please don't suggest that I need to get a grip on anything.

Literally the only way to play outside of the vanilla game is to buy crowns.

Read the full OP and not just the question. The context of the OP includes the whole game not just certain cosmetic or convenience items.

That's the poll so the answer is yes IF you play more than the vanilla game.


-crafting bag
-dlc
-etc

good grief...

you do need to get a grip..... you are saying that choosing to play the game is not a choice???

i do not have to buy crowns to do anything.

do you even play the game?

@jedtb16_ESO




Context:
The OP writes that "as they add features"
And then they write the question.

So the answer is 100% yes crowns are required and it's not a choice or a feeling because in order to access the features in the base game such as

-crafting bag
A sub is required. Subscribing is by default buying crowns.

Features added such as the TG assistant or motif from dlc trials as well as crafting stations located in dlc areas are new features.

That requires either ESO plus or purchasing the dlc.


So my comments to the poll are specifying that
IF anyone accesses DlC they are buying crowns


If you scroll and read some of the comments on page 1 and 2 (if you'd like to) there are specific comments that remark that they sub but that they aren't forced to buy crowns.

True.
But the reason they are subbing is to access something which is gated therefore because subscribing results in the purchase of crowns, my comment remarks that those who sub and say they are paying for a sub and not crowns, I'm saying that's inccorect because ESO plus results in crowns regardless of intent.

That leaves only the players who choose to only play the vanilla game that excludes the context of the OP which is asking in terms of added features


Does that better communicate my comments previously?

Let me know if not

Gorgoneus wrote: »

Akatsukisan wrote: »

No, nobody is being "forced to buy" anything... the crown store is literally a alternative option to buy items ingame via IRL cash... it's not forced it's not p2p nor is it pay to win... the guy next to me has a chance of winning as much as I do.

Forced to buy would mean that progression in the game would be impossible to accomplish unless you buy microtransactions... Which is totally invalid in ESO: Onlines case...

Now is buying crowns a faster way of obtaining certain things? surely yes... that's why it's there to speed up the process of certain things but everything you can get in the crowns store you can get without spending a cent truly.. You're not going be a super warrior with OP armor and every single item in a matter of hours in a MMORPG like ESO... It takes days maybe weeks or months at certain accomplishments but that's what keeps certain players coming, the grind.

That's my take on all of this though.

Really? Tell my how to buy craft bag or at least any pet or mount other then horse without crowns? I knew only about few basic horses and only 1 pet - dwemer spider you can take by ingame actions.

There's no statistical advantage to the crown store mounts.

Here's a counterexample.

Star Trek Online has two modes of play. Space, and ground. Ground combat has you running around with your crew or other players. Space combat has you flying your ship around.

For all intents and purposes, your ship, in space, is your character class. It has its own equipment slots, ability bar, and (in some cases) custom powers.

However, your ship does not level up (with an exception). Every ten levels you replace it with a more powerful one... or you buy C-Store versions of your ships. (Or in some cases, C-Store versions of entirely different ships). These are, flat out, statistically more powerful. They can slot more crew abilities (with some exceptions), and have additional item slots.

Finally, when you hit level 40, you're done. You've unlocked tier 5 ships, which are the most powerful ones available to free players. (Though some tier 5 ships unlock at 50). What also unlocks at 50 are tier 6 ships. Tier 6 ships are substantially more powerful than tier 5, level up with you, and have access to entire classes of abilities that no other ships in the game can access. They have additional item slots, and they unlock special abilities once they've fully leveled up that you can use on any ship.

For an endgame build, you realistically need 5 of these, just to fill out your starship traits slots.

When it comes to leveling, for space content, you effectively stop at level 40. Content keeps going to 60 (and you can do your best to keep up by improving the items equipped to your ship.) But to advance requires you to pay real cash for ships, multiple times.

Finally, there's a bonus. The most powerful tier 6 ships are buried in the lockboxes. So to have the most powerful space builds, you also need to play their gamble boxes, often a lot.