No- it's being designed for people who dont have the time to farm all of that gold to have another option.
I have yet to see anything store only that would impede your game progress. You buy the game, you have it all. The one exception is the bottomless materials bag you get with ESO+ but even that doesnt prevent you from anything.

What exactly do you need the house and furniture for that it forces you to buy it?

The pricing for the houses seem reasonable to me. I'm a 330 CP noob who played on and off, and I'm sitting on 500k and I never grinded for even one hour mobs or mats.

Reykice wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

So you're basically saying that you don't think you should have to work hard to accomplish and own everything in the game??

I think what he's saying is he's a completionist. And ALL completionists/collectors have this obsessive need to have completed/collected everything NOW at any cost. It's always the same argument "I must have it all and since I can't THEY are forcing me." But what none of them seem to understand is that his burning need is self-imposed, not design-imposed.

I`m not and not saying that. All i`m saying is they use the money from subs and such for this rather than DLC`s. And while DLC`s are included in the sub, this stuff is not and even costs a lot more compared to a sub.

Personally i have enough for 1 manor but i will not spend that much for something i do not see how i`ll use.

But that said, all of this prevents them from making content, this is not content and its only purpose is for them to line their pockets.

People have been asking for housing for a long time, it's actually a rather smart move for them to finally add it, even if some people like you aren't interested (which is perfectly fine by the way).

BlackSparrow wrote: »

billp_ESO wrote: »

Perhaps an appropriate analogy would be the all-you-can-eat buffet.

You pay your entrance fee, get into the buffet, and then find out half the items aren't included, you have to pay extra for them.

Are you FORCED to pay extra? No, you can settle for green beans and rice, and forget about all the other items that you thought were included in the buffet.

It does leave you with the feeling of a bait-and-switch, though.

This is not a comparable metaphor.

This is more like you paid what you would pay for a normal meal once to access that all-you-can-eat buffet whenever you want, forever. But they still have to pay the cooks and bussers, and of course keep ordering food every day so you can come and eat it on your Forever-Pass. The money you paid for the first meal was gone three weeks ago to pay for an order of vegetables, and yet still you keep coming. How do they pay to keep feeding you if they don't have the money to do so?

In your analogy, a better analogue to the all-you-can-eat buffet would be a single player TES game... you pay once, and then you can play the game for as long as you want, picking from the items set out in front of you when you walk in. MMOs take more work than that to keep everything running by their very nature, which means they need to find alternative sources of revenue. And the fact that you have everything you need to play the game without paying a cent past box price is much better than many MMOs... everything in the crown store is for convenience or cosmetic. It's like ordering a free drink from your hypothetical buffet, and then complaining because you didn't get a little umbrella in it.

If you felt bait-and-switched by that, then you need to play more MMOs.

So the DLC are for convenience or cosmetic. Plus, convenience or cosmetic. use to be part of the game. People want a single non internet price on a game that is internet only. I wish they would take mounts out the game completely, mount upgrades crown store only, house only on the crown store, motifs only on the crown store, all costumes on the crown store. Then see if people thought those items were only convenience or cosmetic.

I haven't once felt forced or slightly or not.

XP pots are meh, it's easy enough as is to get cp lvls. Everything else in crown store is purely cosmetic or garbage ( besides the dlc ) .

Crown store has zero pull on me in game for anything.

The only things you'd be "forced" to get by friends or other players would be the DLC in case they want to do some of that content with you, and the DLC is priced very reasonably with the bundle pack. Everything else is just cosmetic or a way to save time (xp scrolls, bank/inventory upgrades, and riding lessons all fall under a way to save time -- faster to level up and get cp, less time needed to farm gold for the sole purpose of buying said upgrades, and in the case of riding lessons less time needed waiting for the 20 hour cooldown). Some people enjoy farming gold, so the time savers are pointless in that regard, other people find farming gold to be a massive chore and would rather be doing something else while they play, so the crown store items are more appealing to them.

No as there is nothing must have on the store to play the game.

MissBizz wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Forced no.

But encouraged certainly yes.

The housing system as it stands makes it very difficult for new players to fully participate and decorate their homes to any reasonably desirable standard yes.

The crown store enables a massive shortcut to this by offering houses and all the furniture. The imagination limited only by the wallet yes.

This one she wonders if the system was designed to be so material and time intensive as to make the store seem the preferable option yes?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I feel bad calling Santie "The Cat"... But the cat is right.

I lean more towards yes than no, but I am like Santie where it's not forced, but being pushed much more heavily.

For older players, 2 years or so the answer is no. Sure you can use the crown store to make things more convenient, but it's not necessary. But for players with a year or less time invested, it certainly feels like they're being shoved towards the crown store.

No, no one is forcing you to buy stuff. You can have badass armor from just playing a couple of minutes if you're lucky, otherwise not much more.

Is the stuff in the CS better? That isn't a real question, since the only stuff that's sold is purely cosmetic and hold SUBJECTIVE value. Hence, a coat that costs 500 crowns may be worth 6000 crowns for you because you really like that coat and it would look massively good on your character.

A lot of people are mentioning housing. You get a free apartment with a quest.
You can then buy a small house for a not-so-big sum, nothing exceptional. If you can't make that amount of money in less than a week, you are having a problem.
Medium houses are priced higher but why shouldn't it? The houses are bigger and you can put more fancy stuff in it.
Large houses cost a bit too much, I agree. subtracting 200/300k from the price is a good move and would be a nice call.
The EXTRA SPICY ones cost like a lifetime. Exactly like a loan IRL. Good enough for me.

In the end:
Is the CS essential? No, not even a little bit.
Is the stuff a bit fancier? Yup.
Is it good? Depends on your tastes.
Is it needed for the game to run? Absolutely, no game can sustain itself solely on a B2P mechanism.

Personally I like my Nord with his Ebony set and the toothpick-legged bear cub.

Always remember: Nord > Imperial > All > Altmer

No.
And I wish you players would stop with your 'conspiracy theory' threads.
Don't you all honestly have anything better to do?

Gorgoneus wrote: »

So many lackeys voting "no" because they belive this will make them "better" then other people or belive they will be rewarded by ZoS perhaps?
But lets talk true: this is one of the most expensive MMOS I ever seen: you must buy client, subscription and lot a crowns, if you wont play "trial" game. Just look at prices for mounts (in fact - you cant obtain any mounts but horses without crowns) and houses and you'll see.
But of course you better will pretend to be insulted by "poore people" who dont understand anything in this world (and this game especially) and all things here are fine and you just didnt know how to spend more moneys from your owerfulled pockets and show ZoS how loyal you are.

You're wrong on so many levels. Great job champ.

"Must buy client, subscription, and crowns if you don't want to play the trial game?"

Do yourself a favor, go play a demo or trial and tell me how many hundreds of hours of playtime you can get.

You're just as bad as OP and the whole "forced."

Gorgoneus wrote: »

So many lackeys voting "no" because they belive this will make them "better" then other people or belive they will be rewarded by ZoS perhaps?
But lets talk true: this is one of the most expensive MMOS I ever seen: you must buy client, subscription and lot a crowns, if you wont play "trial" game. Just look at prices for mounts (in fact - you cant obtain any mounts but horses without crowns) and houses and you'll see.
But of course you better will pretend to be insulted by "poore people" who dont understand anything in this world (and this game especially) and all things here are fine and you just didnt know how to spend more moneys from your owerfulled pockets and show ZoS how loyal you are. Just dont forget this is B2P game, not F2P.
PS: just for the trolls who simulating blindeness - I got preordered emp. edition and subscription for a whyle, but I still havnt any mounts but horse and have not enough ingame gold to buy house larger then medium. And I dont think I must grind guild stores 24/7, because I not suppose to play any "corean" MMO.

I'll simply respond to that in a few points...

1. Learn to spell

2. I can barely understand half of the incoherent nonsense you just spewed out.

3. This is hardly the only mmo that locks some of the better content behind pay walls (ever heard of SWTOR, Runescape, etc?). And almost all the content that IS locked behind pay walls in this game is either dlc or just cosmetic items and mounts. So some people really just need to get a grip and stop whining over every little thing.

You are NOT forced to use the crown store. You are NOT at a major disadvantage compared to other players if you don't buy things from the crown store.