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Is the game being designed to force people to use the Crown Store?
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Madamova✭✭✭No.Absolutely not.
You can play game and have the same level of enjoyment without spending a single penny in Crown store as any of the big spenders.
In my opinion it makes game more interesting if I have to start with nothing and work my way up in order to have a mansion. Then it makes sense for me to harvest and trade to save those precious gold coins.4 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No.Stovahkiin wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Yes and anyone saying no either doesn't buy dlc or doesn't sub.
If you sub, you're buying crowns so you should have selected yes
Only those who don't sub and who only play the base game can say no technically.
So.. I'm just imagining that I've been subbing for months just because I voted "no" ?
I'm not paying for crowns when I sub; I'm paying for the benifits of being a sub when I sub.... The crowns are an added benit of subbing in my eyes, but that isn't all you get (obviously)
You are paying for crowns just as much as you are paying for any of the other benefits. You can choose to focus on other benefits, but one of the core items you get is crowns. This should be even more apparent after 2 quarters of no DLC release, where you sub is essentially just for a crafting bag and crowns.1 -
skiptomyluau✭✭✭I do not know.So here is my logic: everything they add now is so hard to get in the game... like the new XP Potion or Houses or Furniture... that unless you are one of the most hardcore players you will most likely not get it.
But, as they are quick to mention, you can use the Crown Store.
So my logic is: they figured out that if they make it really hard to get in the game people will use the easy way and buy it. This will impact every design decision from now on if it works and people do not object.
Basically they are trying to make as much money as they can i get it but at what point do you start questioning if they should also look at ethics and look at making the game better regardless of the "for profit" reason.
The largest MMO, WOW, got so rich first because it had a lot of subscribers and those people stayed subscribed because for its time the game was good. I`d like ESO to focus on that and less on "let`s see how much money we can squeeze out of people". Subscribing should be enough but at the current crown prices they are pushing you to buy a lot more if you expect to keep up with the things they add.
What do you think?
I vote don't know. I would say no but they are skating on thin ice imo0 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gotta love the people talking about the "morality" of selling in crown store vs in game gold. They aren't selling Epi Pens, they are selling virtual cosmetic items."Get off my lawn!"4 -
KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭The literal mansions, largest most impressive homes, are 4m gold. One could easily get that in a couple months by setting time aside for guild dailies every day and saving their gold.
This is quite easy, in another mmo you would never see that mansion.If you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].4 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No.theher0not wrote: »Yes. Why else would they put a daily CD on mount training or make bag and inventory upgrades so expensive?
Though they are not forceing people, just trying their hardest to bait us by making things anti fun and offer a way to skip it for real money.
The timer is because they want you to log on daily. They had the timer back when there was no crown store whatsoever.2 -
Stovahkiin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No.Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.
If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.
So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?
Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?
Is there actually a house on the pts that costs that much or are you making that number up to make you feel better about your arguement? I haven't been on the pts myself but the most I've heard of a house costing was like 3m
Lol the number is from their patch notes... 4m for the expensive houses, 25m in total for all.
2 houses only via the crown store(the biggest ones).
Lol did the patch notes also say you must buy them all lol? Lol see? The average player won't drop all their time into making gold to buy ALL of the houses.
No but let us assume you want the achievements or all the content like you would want with any other thing. Then its 25 mil to buy them + the furniture is veeeery hard to make and will need Legendary Tempers and so on so another couple of mil there at the very least.
At 1 milion per month.... what looks easier? Farming 30 months to get them or just buying via Crown Store? That was my point. If you really want them, nobody will farm 30 million gold for the average player that is impossible and ZOS knows it.
Making something so hard to get then offering it instantly for cash is as immoral as it gets you can always hide behind the "oh but you can get it in the game" but in reality no you can`t unless you literally farm gold for months and months.
That was my point, if you want all the content, all the achievements, you will need to use the Crown Store or farm 25+ million gold. That, for most people, is not a reasonable choice as most will never have 25+ million gold ever.
So you're basically saying that you don't think you should have to work hard to accomplish and own everything in the game??Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!5 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No.As others have stated. There is nothing on the Crown Store that gives you an competetive advantage, or that isn't available in the game.
The houses you can buy for gold, while easy to just purchase the crowns, aren't hard to get in game. The big mansions are designed for the people who have been playing and saving their gold.2 -
tunepunk✭✭✭✭✭No.You're not forced, but it's designed to be an appealing option. Bought 2 things, apart from a few DLC's when I was not eso plus.
1. A costume for some leftover coins.
2. Vampire, since no one ever responds if I was looking for one in game, and I never got any NPC Vamp in game to turn me. Fair shortcut.
The only thing you are kind of forced to buy, unless you're ESO plus, is som of the DLC's of course if you want to participate in that content.
Personally i think they should never have gone Free to play, with crown store, and stuck with the monthly payments only, so they could, focus on GOOD content and gameplay intead of *** Crown store vanity items.
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Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Yes.Stovahkiin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.
If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.
So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?
Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?
Is there actually a house on the pts that costs that much or are you making that number up to make you feel better about your arguement? I haven't been on the pts myself but the most I've heard of a house costing was like 3m
Lol the number is from their patch notes... 4m for the expensive houses, 25m in total for all.
2 houses only via the crown store(the biggest ones).
Lol did the patch notes also say you must buy them all lol? Lol see? The average player won't drop all their time into making gold to buy ALL of the houses.
No but let us assume you want the achievements or all the content like you would want with any other thing. Then its 25 mil to buy them + the furniture is veeeery hard to make and will need Legendary Tempers and so on so another couple of mil there at the very least.
At 1 milion per month.... what looks easier? Farming 30 months to get them or just buying via Crown Store? That was my point. If you really want them, nobody will farm 30 million gold for the average player that is impossible and ZOS knows it.
Making something so hard to get then offering it instantly for cash is as immoral as it gets you can always hide behind the "oh but you can get it in the game" but in reality no you can`t unless you literally farm gold for months and months.
That was my point, if you want all the content, all the achievements, you will need to use the Crown Store or farm 25+ million gold. That, for most people, is not a reasonable choice as most will never have 25+ million gold ever.
So you're basically saying that you don't think you should have to work hard to accomplish and own everything in the game??
Hard is not farming for years. That is slavery. You could argue if it was the only way to do it but when the alternative is instant and easy... there is no competition.
And it is ruining the game... you can see it, the DLC content has been less and less, past 2 big updates did not even have new areas. But the mounts and crown store content has been coming steadily... easy to see where their priority is.
And not they have found a way to make the little content they do add, houses, be so hard to get in the game you either take the life of a slave and farm it, something i doubt anyone will do, go without or take the really easy way and instantly get it with real money.4 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No.If it gets to the point that the ONLY way to get the gear you need to be able to run certain types of content is by buying it through the cash shop, then I will say "yes".
As of right now, it's all cosmetics, convenience, or expansions (which are pretty normal). All these things are purely optional.2 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Yes.Crowns items are for fluff, you don't need it.
You don`t need to buy the game... or even a computer. That is a very flawed argument.
The only argument, since you are here and playing the game, is about getting the full content as a subscriber and person who is paying.
And right now they are making the choice be between farming for years or getting it instantly via cash. That is no actual choice.0 -
tunepunk✭✭✭✭✭No.Stovahkiin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.
If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.
So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?
Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?
Is there actually a house on the pts that costs that much or are you making that number up to make you feel better about your arguement? I haven't been on the pts myself but the most I've heard of a house costing was like 3m
Lol the number is from their patch notes... 4m for the expensive houses, 25m in total for all.
2 houses only via the crown store(the biggest ones).
Lol did the patch notes also say you must buy them all lol? Lol see? The average player won't drop all their time into making gold to buy ALL of the houses.
No but let us assume you want the achievements or all the content like you would want with any other thing. Then its 25 mil to buy them + the furniture is veeeery hard to make and will need Legendary Tempers and so on so another couple of mil there at the very least.
At 1 milion per month.... what looks easier? Farming 30 months to get them or just buying via Crown Store? That was my point. If you really want them, nobody will farm 30 million gold for the average player that is impossible and ZOS knows it.
Making something so hard to get then offering it instantly for cash is as immoral as it gets you can always hide behind the "oh but you can get it in the game" but in reality no you can`t unless you literally farm gold for months and months.
That was my point, if you want all the content, all the achievements, you will need to use the Crown Store or farm 25+ million gold. That, for most people, is not a reasonable choice as most will never have 25+ million gold ever.
So you're basically saying that you don't think you should have to work hard to accomplish and own everything in the game??
And it is ruining the game... you can see it, the DLC content has been less and less, past 2 big updates did not even have new areas. But the mounts and crown store content has been coming steadily... easy to see where their priority is.
I can agree with that, how about they spent more time on real fun content to play instead of all this vanity stuff. I'm sick of farming and doing the same boring dailies over and over and over.......and over.....
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Stovahkiin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No.Crowns items are for fluff, you don't need it.
You don`t need to buy the game... or even a computer. That is a very flawed argument.
The only argument, since you are here and playing the game, is about getting the full content as a subscriber and person who is paying.
And right now they are making the choice be between farming for years or getting it instantly via cash. That is no actual choice.
Or maybe you just shouldn't assume that you're gonna be able to buy every single house and everything in a short amount of time?Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!7 -
Pandorii✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes.By adding more and more items (think new 1T sets, new monster sets, new recipes, event items, and now furniture and furniture crafting materials), they are forcing us to rely heavily on a crafting bag that can only be obtained through subs. (Although, I am aware this is not the same as crown store, but still...)4 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes.Stovahkiin wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Yes and anyone saying no either doesn't buy dlc or doesn't sub.
If you sub, you're buying crowns so you should have selected yes
Only those who don't sub and who only play the base game can say no technically.
So.. I'm just imagining that I've been subbing for months just because I voted "no" ?
I'm not paying for crowns when I sub; I'm paying for the benifits of being a sub when I sub.... The crowns are an added benit of subbing in my eyes, but that isn't all you get (obviously)
@Stovahkiin
So you've declined to receive any crowns I take it?
Nothing against anyone who prefers to sub at all. It's just a fact that you're buying crowns. The only difference is you choose ESO plus vs the crown sku
I sub too with all the issues that come with it on Xbox one. It's still buying crowns as anyway you want to look at it. You're forced to buy crowns if you sub as that's one of the benefits.
If you don't sub, but want access to dlc you are forced to buy crowns.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on January 10, 2017 7:16PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Delta1038✭✭✭No.None of it is forced, I agree with sentiments that it is encouraged but that is a combination of ridiculous grinding requirements and people's lack of patience. None of the things in the crown store are required for the game and it is the players choice if they feel some strong need for a cosmetic or a fancy house or whatever.Xbox One NA2 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Yes.Stovahkiin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.
If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.
So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?
Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?
Is there actually a house on the pts that costs that much or are you making that number up to make you feel better about your arguement? I haven't been on the pts myself but the most I've heard of a house costing was like 3m
Lol the number is from their patch notes... 4m for the expensive houses, 25m in total for all.
2 houses only via the crown store(the biggest ones).
Lol did the patch notes also say you must buy them all lol? Lol see? The average player won't drop all their time into making gold to buy ALL of the houses.
No but let us assume you want the achievements or all the content like you would want with any other thing. Then its 25 mil to buy them + the furniture is veeeery hard to make and will need Legendary Tempers and so on so another couple of mil there at the very least.
At 1 milion per month.... what looks easier? Farming 30 months to get them or just buying via Crown Store? That was my point. If you really want them, nobody will farm 30 million gold for the average player that is impossible and ZOS knows it.
Making something so hard to get then offering it instantly for cash is as immoral as it gets you can always hide behind the "oh but you can get it in the game" but in reality no you can`t unless you literally farm gold for months and months.
That was my point, if you want all the content, all the achievements, you will need to use the Crown Store or farm 25+ million gold. That, for most people, is not a reasonable choice as most will never have 25+ million gold ever.
So you're basically saying that you don't think you should have to work hard to accomplish and own everything in the game??
And it is ruining the game... you can see it, the DLC content has been less and less, past 2 big updates did not even have new areas. But the mounts and crown store content has been coming steadily... easy to see where their priority is.
I can agree with that, how about they spent more time on real fun content to play instead of all this vanity stuff. I'm sick of farming and doing the same boring dailies over and over and over.......and over.....
That is what i am saying, its ruining the game. They dedicate the money people spend on subs and such for fluff items... and little to nothing on new DLC`s.
And while you get the DLC`s as a subscriber, you do not get any of the fluff items. Only 1500 crowns monthly when they add stuff worth a lot more...
But they do this because adding fluff is much easier and they are trying to convince people to just buy that and forget the DLC`s and content, just be happy you have a new mount or whatever.
So lets tell them NO, stop with this *** and start making content again!1 -
Unsent.Soul✭✭✭✭✭
✭No.Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Absolutely not, while I don't agree with all of Zeni's recent marketing decisions, we certainly are not being forced to buy things from the CS. After all, the majority of items in the crown store are cosmetic anyway; and the last time I checked, I was not being forced in any way, shape, or form to pay for them.
If you feel the unbearable urge to quickly and easily buy items that are also available through other methods, then that's your problem, no one is forcing it on you.
So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?
Do you have that much gold? Would you spend it all on this IF you wanted it?
Is there actually a house on the pts that costs that much or are you making that number up to make you feel better about your arguement? I haven't been on the pts myself but the most I've heard of a house costing was like 3m
Lol the number is from their patch notes... 4m for the expensive houses, 25m in total for all.
2 houses only via the crown store(the biggest ones).
Lol did the patch notes also say you must buy them all lol? Lol see? The average player won't drop all their time into making gold to buy ALL of the houses.
No but let us assume you want the achievements or all the content like you would want with any other thing. Then its 25 mil to buy them + the furniture is veeeery hard to make and will need Legendary Tempers and so on so another couple of mil there at the very least.
At 1 milion per month.... what looks easier? Farming 30 months to get them or just buying via Crown Store? That was my point. If you really want them, nobody will farm 30 million gold for the average player that is impossible and ZOS knows it.
Making something so hard to get then offering it instantly for cash is as immoral as it gets you can always hide behind the "oh but you can get it in the game" but in reality no you can`t unless you literally farm gold for months and months.
That was my point, if you want all the content, all the achievements, you will need to use the Crown Store or farm 25+ million gold. That, for most people, is not a reasonable choice as most will never have 25+ million gold ever.
Your assuming everyone will want all houses and all achievements for the houses. Do you realize the time sink to get other achievements? It's an mmo, it's suppose to bring longevity to the table, housing achievements do just that.
1-5% of the playerbase may actually want to own all the properties, I doubt many will either way.3 -
alexkdd99✭✭✭✭✭
✭I do not know.Nothing they have added is a must have though. Almost all of it is cosmetic fluff. If you want it then you either put in the time in game or pay real money. I see nothing wrong with this.1 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Yes.rotaugen454 wrote: »Why is the term "Drama Queen" popping into my head?
Because you were not raised well enough to understand insults are bad i guess. But no problem we accept you as you are.1 -
billp_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes.Perhaps an appropriate analogy would be the all-you-can-eat buffet.
You pay your entrance fee, get into the buffet, and then find out half the items aren't included, you have to pay extra for them.
Are you FORCED to pay extra? No, you can settle for green beans and rice, and forget about all the other items that you thought were included in the buffet.
It does leave you with the feeling of a bait-and-switch, though.6 -
Soafee✭✭✭No.I don't think so, no.
Unless they put items in the shop you can only get from the shop than no. From what I can tell everything will also be available in game to purchase. It just might take more time is all. They count on people that can't for things to earn more money to develop the game more. Which is perfectly fine ya know?Today is a blessing. Yesterday is in the past and tomorrow is a mystery.0 -
Pheefs✭✭✭✭✭No.
The average player doesn't want every house.So... you think its reasonable to ask the average player to have 25 milion gold for the houses and who knows how much more for furniture?
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Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Yes.Perhaps an appropriate analogy would be the all-you-can-eat buffet.
You pay your entrance fee, get into the buffet, and then find out half the items aren't included, you have to pay extra for them.
Are you FORCED to pay extra? No, you can settle for green beans and rice, and forget about all the other items that you thought were included in the buffet.
It does leave you with the feeling of a bait-and-switch, though.
You are soooo right this is pretty much it.0 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If VMsA weapons could be bought with 50 million gold or 10,000 crowns, I might buy into this. But purely cosmetic? Especially since the vast majority would not buy all the houses even if they were much cheaper? Seriously, who is going to decorate and visit 40 houses? A handful of people out of the entire player base?"Get off my lawn!"3
