Crowns are the better to buy a House... Unless you're rich. Well done ZOS?

polar · January 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

@polar Exactly my point. Agreed but several people here cant seem to understand using crowns to save you time

We do. It's you who don't seem to understand that some people don't want to "save playing time" because it's actually fun time to them.

I dont think you understand. Playing the game in a way that makes gold is fun for a lot of people. I have friends that focus on just that...the economy and have their fun doing that. I have others that just play and pick up mats to make a little gold, or sell good drops and make decent gold. That is great. There are ALSO people that either 1) have less playtime than they like, and so choose to spend that time in ways that does not generate much gold leaving little time for stuff that does make gold... or 2) simply dont like playing the economy. It is good that they have an option and certainly, for many people, crowns really will be the preferable way to purchase a house.

Sinthrax · January 2017

I agree with you 100% OP. It doesnt matter what people say or how poor they are. The easier way will be to spend the $100 in real money that you can make in a few days over having to grind for a month or more to get in game gold. People just don't want to admit it. The question was not if you can afford the $100. Simple which is easier. Real money will simple be easier.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

polar wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

@polar Exactly my point. Agreed but several people here cant seem to understand using crowns to save you time

We do. It's you who don't seem to understand that some people don't want to "save playing time" because it's actually fun time to them.

I dont think you understand. Playing the game in a way that makes gold is fun for a lot of people. I have friends that focus on just that...the economy and have their fun doing that. I have others that just play and pick up mats to make a little gold, or sell good drops and make decent gold. That is great. There are ALSO people that either 1) have less playtime than they like, and so choose to spend that time in ways that does not generate much gold leaving little time for stuff that does make gold... or 2) simply dont like playing the economy. It is good that they have an option and certainly, for many people, crowns really will be the preferable way to purchase a house.

I haven't said anything against people who intend to buy their house in crowns. I just disagree when people who intend to buy it in gold are called by the OP no-lifers or irrational.

Sinthrax · January 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Keep an eye on this poll I made and see how much trouble the average player has making gold. Currently, the poll suggest a majority can make more than a million gold in 30 days.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/313253/hypothetically-how-much-gold-could-you-personally-make-in-a-30-day-period

A MAJORITY.

Ya..then they broke...... A month in there REAL time to get a house that they dont have money to decorate. They can prob make enough real money to buy it in one...maybe 2 days. Its a matter of time for most.

Sinthrax · January 2017

Kirameku wrote: »

What do you want, free manor for everyone? Those who can afford big houses and manors play a lot for a long time, I think it's their privilege. If you don't play, pay real money!

I wish more people agreed with you in real live so my taxes could go down.

Bryanonymous · January 2017

Sinthrax wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Keep an eye on this poll I made and see how much trouble the average player has making gold. Currently, the poll suggest a majority can make more than a million gold in 30 days.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/313253/hypothetically-how-much-gold-could-you-personally-make-in-a-30-day-period

A MAJORITY.

Ya..then they broke...... A month in there REAL time to get a house that they dont have money to decorate. They can prob make enough real money to buy it in one...maybe 2 days. Its a matter of time for most.

I think you miss the point of a role playing game. Some players want to earn the gold themselves by just playing the game. If the crowns are cheaper, then go ahead and pay real money.

jaye63 · January 2017

REally? Did you not think passed your own circumstances?

I know of guys in a lot of games who, because of their work schedule, dont have the time to just keep up with their gamer friends and will let another friend play their account to keep them caught up and pay them in game gold or items to do it. Items that are in game and store acquirable are covering the entire community by letting those of us who want to farm it to continuing farming it and those who dont have the time to buy it. Everyone is happy but you. The guy who has the time is laughing at the guy who buys it, the guy who buys it is thankful to ZOS, Zos is making money to keep the servers alive and you're just sitting there whining. Be a little greatful once in a while.

bowmanz607 · January 2017

Just a side note for people who think it is just vanity and all that stuff.

Houses are also a great place to make unique and interesting dueling arenas which will be private, so people are not coming and ruining them.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Just a side note for people who think it is just vanity and all that stuff.

Houses are also a great place to make unique and interesting dueling arenas which will be private, so people are not coming and ruining them.

I wish sooo much you're right.
I wish people who are duelling in public areas (specifically towns) will go duelling in their houses. Because maybe they're disturbed by people around, but people around are disturbed by them, too.
Housing might solve that problem of "living together".

But somehow... I doubt it. Besides of "showing off" (or more abruptly the enjoyment of disturbing others), the main argument brought up by people duelling in towns has always been "that's where I find opponents". That argument will still be valid with update 13 and people will still duel in populated town areas :'(

EDIT : as to your main point... noone is saying that housing is pure fluff (well, some are... but still...) but the truth is, housing is part of the non-competitive aspects of the game and thus can be considered "vanity".... at least to competitive people. Although I'm confident they'll get a house one way or the other, in order to show off their trophies

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Just a side note for people who think it is just vanity and all that stuff.

Houses are also a great place to make unique and interesting dueling arenas which will be private, so people are not coming and ruining them.

What? You don't appreciate being splattered with mud balls mid duel?

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Just a side note for people who think it is just vanity and all that stuff.

Houses are also a great place to make unique and interesting dueling arenas which will be private, so people are not coming and ruining them.

What? You don't appreciate being splattered with mud balls mid duel?

We can mud-splash duellers ??? Didn't know that, thanks for that precious info !!

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2017

Your premise is faulty until we know the price of the manors in the crownstore. If they cost 5500 as some people think they will (largest crown pack available), then you are absolutely correct. Any way you slice it, 5500 crowns (40 bucks) is much easier to acquire than 3.8 million gold.

If they cost significantly more than that (I am in the camp that thinks they will), then it might not hold true any longer. If for example a manor costs 50k crowns, then there are a lot of people that would opt for in game purchases (I dont think they will be that much, just illustrating a point).

My guess is also that a lot of Manors will be purchased by guilds as guild halls. 3.8 million really isnt all that much if you split it 100 ways. Currently, there is really no established way to pool crowns for a joint purchase.

I am also betting that the manors will have a pretty heafty price in the crownstore. They want people to buy the smaller homes afterall. They will also price them at a point where people, as you suggested, opt for buying in the crownstore after comparing the cost/benefit of using gold, but do so grudgingly.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2017

Why do people feel entitled to easily purchase a mansion?

If you're poor in real life, you can just go live in Beverly Hills because you want to. If you're poor in ESO either live in the apartment, farm gold for a month like a zombie, or take out your credit card.

bowmanz607 · January 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Why do people feel entitled to easily purchase a mansion?

If you're poor in real life, you can just go live in Beverly Hills because you want to. If you're poor in ESO either live in the apartment, farm gold for a month like a zombie, or take out your credit card.

see now you opened the box i was hesitant to open. Here they come. "oh but i play the game to escape reality blah bah blah insert nonsense here.

I agree. People see the new shiny thing and say why cant i have it right now.

People need to work for these things. There are houses in all price ranges. SOme people play the game enough to get and some dont. Bottom Line. people just feel so entitled.

these are the same people that yell about having to farm for new sets or undaunted or caltrops etc.

Gorgoneus · January 2017

WoW "houses prives is so expansive bacause of LORE immersive" Oo? Where is this LORE immersive stuff when we got PvE skills nerfed because of PvP "imbalance"? Not so LORE friendly anymore? Such a selective immersion.

Iselin · January 2017

Lol. The whole purpose of any cash shop in any game is to make it easier to get at things that are designed to be easier to get at with cash.

Did this lightbulb just now turn on for you?

mb10 · January 2017

Iselin wrote: »

Lol. The whole purpose of any cash shop in any game is to make it easier to get at things that are designed to be easier to get at with cash.

Did this lightbulb just now turn on for you?

@Iselin clearly the decrease in coins ingame light bulb hasnt hit you yet after starting my post with it...

mb10 · January 2017

bowmanz607 wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Why do people feel entitled to easily purchase a mansion?

If you're poor in real life, you can just go live in Beverly Hills because you want to. If you're poor in ESO either live in the apartment, farm gold for a month like a zombie, or take out your credit card.

see now you opened the box i was hesitant to open. Here they come. "oh but i play the game to escape reality blah bah blah insert nonsense here.

I agree. People see the new shiny thing and say why cant i have it right now.

People need to work for these things. There are houses in all price ranges. SOme people play the game enough to get and some dont. Bottom Line. people just feel so entitled.

these are the same people that yell about having to farm for new sets or undaunted or caltrops etc.

@bowmanz607 @THEDKEXPERIENCE

lmao the funny thing is about the beverly hills thing is, we are the people claiming we can and will spend real money

whilst the people against it are boasting about spending in game coins and not having enough IRL or other priorities

On the bigger scale of things, I know what side I'd rather be on

alexkdd99 · January 2017

Chrysa1is wrote: »

I think whoever pays real money to buy crowns and by a house that way is shooting themselves in the foot. I've never believed in spending real money to get something in a game where you can get what you want for ''free'', with in-game currency. Yes it takes longer, but that's just the way it is. Depends on how hard you're willing to work for it. Low level new players I can understand it being difficult, but that isn't really my problem. But still, its pretty much Pay to win, and that is bad.

Don't bring that into something when it is irrelevant. You obtain no advantage at all from owning a house, so you are winning nothing from owning a house. No it is not pay 2 win. It is pay to sit in a house, but you win nothing. Also how would they be shooting themselves in the foot? Seems they would only be saving time.

I think to each their own. I am sitting on roughly 5mil but am unsure as to how I will purchase my manor. Will not be able to make that decision until I see how many crowns they charge.

I see your point very clearly op. Real money is much quicker to obtain when you look at all the decorations you get with the house. Unless of course they are priced to outrageous, which they would have to be extremely high for me to have that opinion.

We will have to wait and see the price in crowns though.

Phica_Lovic · January 2017

This post is a stupid topic. Why would crowns ever be less conveinent than gold? Genuinely.

No one complained about horse feeding upgrades.

No one complained about bag space upgrades.

But here comes an XP scroll and some houses and every loses their minds.

TL;DR Crowns will always be more "conveinent" because it's real money. If you think dropping $100 real monies on housing is more conveinent than using in-game gold, which most players run out of things to do with.... well, that's the least of your worries.

PriorityBalle · January 2017

tunepunk wrote: »

Why do you think houses will add any value to the game at all? For me I'm not even interested in the next update. Why the hell do I need a house? It's a complete vanity item, which is the wrong way to go...

I would much rather they spent more time to create new PLAYABLE content, than vanity items and Crates, etc. I'd rather have them spend more time on gameplay.

More Quests, Dungeons, areas.... not silly vanity items. Not interested, at all... even if I had one Million ingame gold, a house doesn't make gameplay more fun... at all..

So far, Orsinium was the best DLC/new content by far... the rest... bleehhh...

So ... Too much vanity ?

kenneth.friisb16_ESO · January 2017

Knootewoot wrote: »

I only have around 50k. I will settle with the free quest house and take my residence there. Furniture I hope to craft myself, and since I like it simple I am happy with just plain wooden chairs and tables. None of the fancy stuff.

My ultimate goal is the Ravenhurst home since I really liked that one on PTS. I don't need anything bigger or more.

I wish one housing option was just a small tent and a campfire which you could place wherever you wanted.

I would even settle for an instanced campsite. Like the one you have in Dragon Age: Origins, where your companions hang out.

tunepunk · January 2017

PriorityBalle wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

Why do you think houses will add any value to the game at all? For me I'm not even interested in the next update. Why the hell do I need a house? It's a complete vanity item, which is the wrong way to go...

I would much rather they spent more time to create new PLAYABLE content, than vanity items and Crates, etc. I'd rather have them spend more time on gameplay.

More Quests, Dungeons, areas.... not silly vanity items. Not interested, at all... even if I had one Million ingame gold, a house doesn't make gameplay more fun... at all..

So far, Orsinium was the best DLC/new content by far... the rest... bleehhh...

So ... Too much vanity ?

Yes. Totally, just fluff. Focus seems to be to keep people in grinding loop for gold, materials, sets, motifs etc, or take the shortcut in the crownstore.

Too much focus, on looks... motifs, sets, personalities, wigs, etc. The game is turning in to a costume party, and we're still playing the same dailies, and grinding the same content over and over and over, for what? A new armor look? C'mon. They should focus on make the gameplay better, more fun, more depth, more quets, zones, better PVP balance, whatnot.

They could at least have 2 departments. One focused on the costume party players, and one focused on the players that actually want to explore new content, do quests and dungeons, enjoy PVP, and such.

Cherryblossom · January 2017

Still not sure why people make these posts as if you need to buy all the available houses.

everything depends on what an individual wants, many will be happy with a inn room. Then some will want an achievement!

There is absolutely nothing forcing anyone to buy via crowns

SickDuck · January 2017

I have the gold to buy most of the houses. Not sure if I have the time and will to furnish them from scratch. So I may end up buying just a few but furnished - guess from where?

What bothers me is that if I can't participate in the biggest gold sink in game, where will I spend all my in-game money?

SickDuck · January 2017

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Still not sure why people make these posts as if you need to buy all the available houses.

everything depends on what an individual wants, many will be happy with a inn room. Then some will want an achievement!

There is absolutely nothing forcing anyone to buy via crowns

This is the only new content for the upcoming months. (Unless global nerfs count as one)

If you look at how crafting and furnishing works you may realise that getting a liveable home takes a massive grinding. Even if you have the furniture it takes a lot of time to decorate the house to a decent level.

The only shortcut is CS. Not everyone feels happy about an update where you get mostly nerfs and long chores with an opt-out for hard cash.