Crowns are the better to buy a House... Unless you're rich. Well done ZOS?

BlackEar · January 2017

Luckily for me, you having a large house or manor doesn't ruin or diminish my enjoyment. I enjoy the pursuit of gold and schematics to build my home. Some people would rather not, and that is fine by me.

skiptomyluau · January 2017

Crown buyers - I love you. You keep the company from shutting the game down. As for me, I'd rather order Dominos for $20 and have FUN playing the game to make gold to buy my house

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

if you are one of those players with millions of gold you might have a decent arbitrage play selling your gold to a gold trading site and using the proceeds to buy crowns. Have to wait and see if the spread will exist to make this work but even if it doesn't you will have an absolute exchange rate between gold and crowns.

This is totally against the ToS, if not entirely illegal. You should mention it here. Just sayin'. Ingame gold has no IRL value, plain and simple.

rotaugen454 · January 2017

I think it's funny the title is about using crowns UNLESS you are rich. It equates rich with in-game gold, which is the opposite of people upset about things being sold for crowns.

altemriel · January 2017

My two chars see it as this:

This one would love to have a house in the Topal Hideout, the small Volcanic Isle, how romantic

, but a bit isolated for this one, but maybe the island will be close to the shore. But it looks marvelous a really party house. Or a pirate isle, can this one put a pirate flag on the top of the house somehow? A real pirate hideout. Can this one stack her nice treasures somehow in one room of the house?
May your claws stay sharp
Maoimii

Yes, I want a huge house in the middle of the desert in an oasis, yes, that would be awesome, to sip wine and smoke some good old materials there, with a waterpipe on some nice carpet sitting on the ground, that would be great. I will manage to get it somehow at some point, so I am just looking forward to it yes.
Haishi

Gargath · January 2017

Like in real life, if I don't have enough money I either borrow some or don't buy this, instead I buy something else what I can afford.

I won't post rage against ZOS that they put large houses for several milions of gold because I have only single milion in bank. I'll rater try to achieve the final price by playing more and more. If I could not gather enough - I'll buy a smaller hut.

This way or another I'll be grateful that I'm allowed to buy a hut for gold, since all these housing could be available only for crowns. Which I don't have, as non-subscriber.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Keep an eye on this poll I made and see how much trouble the average player has making gold. Currently, the poll suggest a majority can make more than a million gold in 30 days.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/313253/hypothetically-how-much-gold-could-you-personally-make-in-a-30-day-period

A MAJORITY.

If people are making gold from NPCs it will remain the same, but for those who trade with other players, things might change. Currently there's not much to do with gold and w"rich" people (like me) benefit from the fact that impatient people do not look too close at prices because gold isn't very useful anyway. Now that gold will become (very) useful due to housing, making money with basic stuff like alchemy and motifs might be tighter. The entire economy will change I think.

Grunim · January 2017

mb10 wrote: »

Ive been thinking about the value of coins and they're actually going to increase due to the potentilly billions disappearing due to purchases of houses. Unlike the real world economy, you can't sell you're house and get your money back (or more) on ESO. So are crowns the way to go?

Lets say a 1m or 350k coin house is 10k crowns, its easier to get 10k crowns time wise than it is to make 350k or 1m on ESO. The "free" update isn't free at all.

I have the money to buy some houses up front but I doubt I will now. Getting decoration is a whole different grind and you're going to rely on buying certain the mats and instructions for each decoration from other players.
The gold I have, Id rather put towards decoration tbh and Im glad Ive watched a few PTS videos to find that out from now as oppose to spending most my coins on a empty house.

Over to you ZOS, the power you have at the moment is remarkable and I actually kinda admire how you've managed to increase demand of your product so high as a business. Also, offering an alternative to buy houses (coins) knowing that crowns is the much better way to buy your house, you've fooled people into thinking they have the freedom of choice which they technically do, but the coins choice in the not so long run is incredibly poor.

Mix that with the evident addictiveness of the game and the results of crown crates/dro m'Artha mount etc to support that, you are now able to pretty much charge however many crowns you want knowing people will stay pay.

My prediction: Houses will be ridiculously priced on the crown store, people will rage all over the forums, most people will still pay anyway (as usual).

P.S - If you're one of the people with millions and millions, this doesnt apply to you. You hold a degree of power against ZOS and are truly able to make up your own choice as well as having the ability to buying houses and decoration with just in game gold.
Unfortunately, I'm not of you guys lol
I dont have the option to buy mats, armour, tempers etc through the crown store but I do have the option to buy a house from there. Therefore, I personally would rather spend my ingame gold on something that I am unable to use real money for as I dont have the 10s of millions to have both options.

Your thoughts? How will you buy your house if you even do?

I'm not sure about buying a house at this point. It doesn't offer enough functionality for my liking and sometimes I indulge in cosmetic things only if I don't consider it to be too much of a time or money sink.

I don't easily succumb to peer pressure so ZOS will need to offer more functionality before they will truly tempt me.

mb10 · January 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Keep an eye on this poll I made and see how much trouble the average player has making gold. Currently, the poll suggest a majority can make more than a million gold in 30 days.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/313253/hypothetically-how-much-gold-could-you-personally-make-in-a-30-day-period

A MAJORITY.

If people are making gold from NPCs it will remain the same, but for those who trade with other players, things might change. Currently there's not much to do with gold and w"rich" people (like me) benefit from the fact that impatient people do not look too close at prices because gold isn't very useful anyway. Now that gold will become (very) useful due to housing, making money with basic stuff like alchemy and motifs might be tighter. The entire economy will change I think.

@anitajoneb17_ESO

@bryanhaas poll states the majority of players could make a million in 30 days and they've probably interpreted it as if thats all they did for 30 days.

30 days of trying to make gold on ESO or paying for crowns straight up? I know the houses will not cost a a salary of 30 days lol
So as part of the majority, I would personally rather spend crowns on the house than ingame gold. Will take an hour or few to make IRL money equal to the crowns but 30 damn days to make 1 mil lol no thanks

ArchMikem · January 2017

The entire Dark Brotherhood DLC was $20. No way in Satan's red Hell is a single house going to cost $100.

Celas_Dranacea · January 2017

To buy the house I want with gold is a huge hit to my bank - like 90% of what I have. I've considered whether I will buy my house with crowns, and right now leaning towards gold cause I just think it's cooler to feel like the house I'm buying is this huge investment that I make w the spoils from all my adventures. As a poor pvper its a tough decision though.

Lylith · January 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

The entire Dark Brotherhood DLC was $20. No way in Satan's red Hell is a single house going to cost $100.

not sure about that.

elk mount was pretty pricey, iirc.

geonsocal · January 2017

Grunim wrote: »

I'm not sure about buying a house at this point. It doesn't offer enough functionality for my liking and sometimes I indulge in cosmetic things only if I don't consider it to be too much of a time or money sink.

I don't easily succumb to peer pressure so ZOS will need to offer more functionality before they will truly tempt me.

could not have said it any better

ElliottXO · January 2017

Oh my *** God. Please explain to me what exactly happens if you don't buy your 1m dream house on the release day? Is it going to be sold out? Are you going to have any disadvantages in game? Is Clinton going to be president?

ZOS has probably added the most useless feature of all in terms of progression. They offer it for gold or crowns. You have the choice.

I have 500k being less than 350cp and already golden more than half my equipment. Yeah I don't have 8 sets, but whatever.

How about you take this feature for what it is: long term vanity crap. And long term vanity crap is earned in the long term. The world will not fall apart if you can't afford your house in the first week, alright?

Lukums1 · January 2017

Here's the sad truth.

Anyone thinking that "The Manor will be 5k crowns or under" is kidding themselves.
They release stupid mounts for 5k crowns... what is making people think that a 3.8MILLION Manor will be 5k crowns LOL.

My guess 10,000 crowns.

The other SAD truth is the materials and the COST behind furniture and obtaining things through master writs is going to be some kind of sick, sick joke.

So what you get 1million gold for the "decent house" I BET you'll have to spend at LEAST another 1million + making it some what "cool".

But hey let's be real... I'm on the other side of the fence... pulling out the bank card and buying the house pre-furnished... with crowns... Then buying all the housing crown crates that come... because... I'm a moron.

I think you mentioned something very valid, the update may be FREE but the content within is going to be considered a VERY painful grind and A HUGE time investment to be really enjoyed to the max potential.

Unfortunately... I'm going to have to start node farming my ASS OFF just to be able to somewhat enjoy the new content.

This is true going to be the biggest GOLD sink in history.

Luke

Katahdin · January 2017

I like the option to buy with either.

danno8 · January 2017

mb10 wrote: »

If anything, you're coming across as the materialisitc d-head after the list you just provided. I value time higher than money and the less time I spend on ESO, the better. So yes, I will use IRL money instead of wasting time farming eso gold.

mb10 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Keep an eye on this poll I made and see how much trouble the average player has making gold. Currently, the poll suggest a majority can make more than a million gold in 30 days.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/313253/hypothetically-how-much-gold-could-you-personally-make-in-a-30-day-period

A MAJORITY.

If people are making gold from NPCs it will remain the same, but for those who trade with other players, things might change. Currently there's not much to do with gold and w"rich" people (like me) benefit from the fact that impatient people do not look too close at prices because gold isn't very useful anyway. Now that gold will become (very) useful due to housing, making money with basic stuff like alchemy and motifs might be tighter. The entire economy will change I think.

@anitajoneb17_ESO

@bryanhaas poll states the majority of players could make a million in 30 days and they've probably interpreted it as if thats all they did for 30 days.

30 days of trying to make gold on ESO or paying for crowns straight up? I know the houses will not cost a a salary of 30 days lol
So as part of the majority, I would personally rather spend crowns on the house than ingame gold. Will take an hour or few to make IRL money equal to the crowns but 30 damn days to make 1 mil lol no thanks

You keep equating 1 hour of playtime = 1 hour of work. For that to work, either you hate the game, or you have a kickass job that you love.

If that's the case that's great, but you have to understand that most people I believe would get far more enjoyment out of 1 hour of playing the game (whatever way they play it) than being at work for 1 hour.

I think this difference of enjoyment of playing the game is why you are having a tough time understanding why some people disagree with you.

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anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

mb10 wrote: »

30 days of trying to make gold on ESO or paying for crowns straight up? I know the houses will not cost a a salary of 30 days lol
So as part of the majority, I would personally rather spend crowns on the house than ingame gold. Will take an hour or few to make IRL money equal to the crowns but 30 damn days to make 1 mil lol no thanks

- Daddy ?
- Yes son ?
- You must give me 50 dollars !
- Why ?
- To buy crowns for a house in ESO
- Can't you get it in the game ?
- Yes I could but it would take me 20 hours of my gaming. It makes much more sense to buy it with 2 hours of your work.

Let's see how that goes

Celas_Dranacea · January 2017

You know one very faint miniscule possibility is that they price the houses somewhat reasonably, like 4-8k and then hope that people buy multiple house over time and lots of crown items for each of the houses

skiptomyluau · January 2017

Small house then laugh my way to the bank buying tempers for 2k from all the starving broke players

STEVIL · January 2017

itehache wrote: »

While I agree with you since it's "easier" to spend real money for an already decorated house than milions of gold on an empty one, they give us the chance to buy everything with in-game gold, which is good.

I know there are 2 houses that are exclusive from the crown store, but other than that, everything is available with in-game gold. It could be worse.

I wanted to purchase a big house but I decided I will get a medium one, so it won't feel empty with few decorations. I will use in-game gold as much as I can, but we still do not know the crown-prices, so it is difficult to make a decision now.

I am considering the same thing.

i was eyeing hitting a 750k or 1.25m house depending on the available gold at the time but will possibly go for a step down in the place i want and money to pimp it up. Small house with attuned crafting stations and target dummy and lotsa furnishings sounds good to me.

disintegr8 · January 2017

If I were to buy a manor house, it will largely be simply because I can afford it with in game gold. I may never use it, I may never invite anyone into it and I may never even decorate or furnish it. Like soloing a dungeon or world boss, there is no great benefit in doing so, so it will be something I do simply because I can.

I already have enough gold to buy at least one house of every size, regardless of whether I buy any or not. While some in my position may be opposed to the sale of housing in the Crown store, I accept the fact that ESO is a business and for those of us who enjoy the game and want new or better content, ESO must get an income from somewhere (I already support the game with my subscription).

The only thing I would be disappointed with is if the cost of a manor house in the Crown store is too cheap, as this will undermine the work that some people have put in to earn in game gold. The fact that you can make enough gold in the game to buy any of the houses means that a manor house can never be said to be out of reach, whatever their cost in Crown store.

mb10 · January 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

30 days of trying to make gold on ESO or paying for crowns straight up? I know the houses will not cost a a salary of 30 days lol
So as part of the majority, I would personally rather spend crowns on the house than ingame gold. Will take an hour or few to make IRL money equal to the crowns but 30 damn days to make 1 mil lol no thanks

- Daddy ?
- Yes son ?
- You must give me 50 dollars !
- Why ?
- To buy crowns for a house in ESO
- Can't you get it in the game ?
- Yes I could but it would take me 20 hours of my gaming. It makes much more sense to buy it with 2 hours of your work.

Let's see how that goes

@anitajoneb17_ESO
You should teach your child to ask more money more politely instead of holding you at ransom

Also, the time to make a make a million was a month, not 20 hours

good try though

mumsspaghetti · January 2017

mb10 wrote: »

Ive been thinking about the value of coins and they're actually going to increase due to the potentilly billions disappearing due to purchases of houses. Unlike the real world economy, you can't sell you're house and get your money back (or more) on ESO. So are crowns the way to go?

Lets say a 1m or 350k coin house is 10k crowns, its easier to get 10k crowns time wise than it is to make 350k or 1m on ESO. The "free" update isn't free at all.

I have the money to buy some houses up front but I doubt I will now. Getting decoration is a whole different grind and you're going to rely on buying certain the mats and instructions for each decoration from other players.
The gold I have, Id rather put towards decoration tbh and Im glad Ive watched a few PTS videos to find that out from now as oppose to spending most my coins on a empty house.

Over to you ZOS, the power you have at the moment is remarkable and I actually kinda admire how you've managed to increase demand of your product so high as a business. Also, offering an alternative to buy houses (coins) knowing that crowns is the much better way to buy your house, you've fooled people into thinking they have the freedom of choice which they technically do, but the coins choice in the not so long run is incredibly poor.

Mix that with the evident addictiveness of the game and the results of crown crates/dro m'Artha mount etc to support that, you are now able to pretty much charge however many crowns you want knowing people will stay pay.

My prediction: Houses will be ridiculously priced on the crown store, people will rage all over the forums, most people will still pay anyway (as usual).

P.S - If you're one of the people with millions and millions, this doesnt apply to you. You hold a degree of power against ZOS and are truly able to make up your own choice as well as having the ability to buying houses and decoration with just in game gold.
Unfortunately, I'm not of you guys lol
I dont have the option to buy mats, armour, tempers etc through the crown store but I do have the option to buy a house from there. Therefore, I personally would rather spend my ingame gold on something that I am unable to use real money for as I dont have the 10s of millions to have both options.

Your thoughts? How will you buy your house if you even do?

Have you seen how much it is to buy furniture through the crown store? There was legit a mug, that costs 400 crowns, a god damn mug

acw37162 · January 2017

The pricing (in game money) on the homes will definitely incentivize real money purchase.

ZOS knows exactly how much gold exists in game and what the average player has. Trust me in that pricing will definitely be skewed in favor of real money purchases.

Lukums1 · January 2017

What people don't see yet, and through streams and sneak previews hosing is going to be so damn expensive.

I feel SORRY for the people who have 1.5 million gold buy the house for 1 million.

Then to realize you need another 1-2-5 million to really deck it out ... or even fill up the space?

Do the investigation process.

Personally?

I'll buy the Manor with crowns... but then I'm like well that's pointless because I only have 1 million gold.

Do you see the SPACE of some of these LOL it would cost soooo much money to fill up when with pre-decorated ones it looks rather empty.

Someone made a post with ALL CRYSTALS ALL OVER THE HOUSE this was epic.

2.5 Million Gold to do this... that's the aim.

In conclusion... it's going to be a crown game ... again.

Lizzrdd · January 2017

Personally I dont feel the desire to have a house in this game. I mean, it looks cool and I really like the way they handled the mechanics of decorating said houses. As someone who has built houses and decorated them in the Creation Kit, Im really liking this platform. However, the simple fact that I cant place books in the shelves and use the display cases as I see fit as a couple examples is why Im leaning to not doing this part of the game.
I know not everyone doesnt have this option but for me personally, if I feel the need to decorate and plant gardens and such Ill go play Skyrim.
I would rather see in this game the areas of Tamriel I have not visited yet. Or revisit areas with modern technology and graphics (Vvardenfell). Dont get me wrong I enjoy all the aspects of this game, and I know this is just an initial release of homestead. But it just seems like its missing substance, and it feels hastily thrown together.
Sure ZOS needs to make money, dont we all? Im just hoping that future updates to this prove me wrong.
So for me Ill be keeping my gold in the bank, and if I get any crowns they wont be spent on this. Im still getting the hang of the SSE Creation Kit so Ill go mess with that if I feel the need to "decorate", if I want to run some fun dungeons with friends or explore Tamriel Ill play this game.
Sorry for the wall of text....

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Keep an eye on this poll I made and see how much trouble the average player has making gold. Currently, the poll suggest a majority can make more than a million gold in 30 days.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/313253/hypothetically-how-much-gold-could-you-personally-make-in-a-30-day-period

A MAJORITY.

I promise that poll is full of inflated egos.

Just saying that cause of so things would cost a lot more on traders

Kadoozy · January 2017

It really isnt that hard to make this kind of money though. sure, the 3+ million ones would take a long time to buy; but I can make a million in a month and I am not even very efficient at making money. I dont play the market, I just play. Farming nodes alone for a month would be enough to make you a lot of money, whether you sell the mats or refine for temper yourself. It really isnt that bad.