LTO Motifs Now?

ThePaleItalian · January 2017

Do people wanna pay 25-30$ for something they don't wanna farm or pay a bunch of gold for? Probably

Its the same with the Ancient orc and others. Just gives people more than one way to get a motif.

*spins the propeller on his tin foil hat*

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

This is just another useless whine thread. Countering conspiracy theories is trolling now? I could say whine threads are trolling but I wouldn't do that. I'm not one of those "you have a different opinion than me that makes you a troll" types.

Calling the thread a whine thread when I call you out for adding nothing to the discussion besides an image decrying my post as a conspiracy theory....Yeah. Troll on.

Fodore · January 2017

Why does it matter? Drom Athra is in game anyway

mlstevens42_ESO · January 2017

Not to worried about motifs in the store as long as they are not crown only purchases. Limited time offers.....meh. Most of the things in the store are fluff I do not need them.

acw37162 · January 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Valethar wrote: »

You haven't even seen crazy yet.

If you've played SWTOR in the last year, you know what we're going to be seeing here before long. She has a history of making decisions based on greed.

We're not customers. We're a resource that exists to be exploited until the well runs dry.

I quit SWTOR a long while a go. But not before the Cartel Packs. I dont know whats currently going on with that but Im painfully aware of how these Crates impact content creation and how more and more items get sucked into them.

It was posted somewhere on the forums during the Crown Crate Conspiracy 2016 the same Marketing Director to turned SWTOR into whatever you want to call it a while back was hired by ZOS (Zenimax) and brought us crown crates.

Her next true disaster/money maker will be crown store housing pricing. I'm expecting well over 200.00 for a pre-furnished manor.

The LTO mofif doesn't even move the needle for me with the amount of wallet squeezing incoming.

milkbox · January 2017

My guess is that putting more motifs in the crown store is partially driven by the master crafting writs that are coming with homestead. The more motifs you know, the better your chance to get a master writ. What they are really selling is an "instant master crafter" status to those who don't want to grind trials or spend a lot of shopping time and gold getting those motifs.

It doesn't mean they *won't* eventually add motifs to crown crates, but I think this one is more of a quick-cash grab for people desperate to get test dummies and crafting benches for their homes.

Phinix1 · January 2017

obscure7 wrote: »

It's a bit ironic, that if the game is run as a business with the main purpose to make money, you will lose my business, you will lose my money, and I will say good-bye and not look back.

If you run the game as, well, a *game* with the main purpose of entertainment, then you'll get my business and get my money.

If you run the game as a full-fledged living, breathing, amazing dynamic virtual world, then you'll get my business, you'll get my money, and you'll have my loyalty.

I wish more people understood as you do, instead of leaping at every opportunity to defend destructive (to the game and community) greed as "just good business." Excellent post.

Messy1 · January 2017

Just to be clear, OP means that dromathra motif will be available for "Limited time only" in crown store, but is nor disappearing from the game?

Also, I'm not surprised they are trying to sell it for cash cause anything with cats is really popular with gamers!

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2017

milkbox wrote: »

My guess is that putting more motifs in the crown store is partially driven by the master crafting writs that are coming with homestead. The more motifs you know, the better your chance to get a master writ. What they are really selling is an "instant master crafter" status to those who don't want to grind trials or spend a lot of shopping time and gold getting those motifs.

It doesn't mean they *won't* eventually add motifs to crown crates, but I think this one is more of a quick-cash grab for people desperate to get test dummies and crafting benches for their homes.

I spent 400,000 gold on motifs tonight for this exact reason.

AlnilamE · January 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

So now not only are they moving into the realm of Crown Store Only Motifs. But the Dro-m'Athra Motif will only be available for 4 days before it disappears. And with the new Crown Crates, we know what happens to items that appear in the store for a limited time.

Im far from a conspiracy theorist. But it looks like one of the fears of crown crates, aside from the ridiculous drop rates, is going to be coming true soon enough. Might want to get it while you can, because its probably going to be marked up from 5500 Crowns. But itll be much cheaper than chasing it in the Crates.

OP, are you trying to say that the Dro-m'Athra motif is not available in game? It is. It drops from the weekly Maw of Lorkhaj coffer. I have all of it and didn't spend a cent (or piece of gold). I also have some extras that I'd be willing to trade for Celestial pages.

redspecter23 · January 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

obscure7 wrote: »

It's a bit ironic, that if the game is run as a business with the main purpose to make money, you will lose my business, you will lose my money, and I will say good-bye and not look back.

If you run the game as, well, a *game* with the main purpose of entertainment, then you'll get my business and get my money.

If you run the game as a full-fledged living, breathing, amazing dynamic virtual world, then you'll get my business, you'll get my money, and you'll have my loyalty.

Edit for clarification: A limited time crown store offer for an item available in game isn't a big deal. I just don't want to see stuff disappear from the game and become crown store exclusive.

Youre missing the point about the post. Its not about something being in the Crown Store. Its about it becoming LTO and that ZOS has made it known they will eventually put former LTOs in their Crates.

I'd be very surprised if motifs make it to crates. My main has the motif learned, but I'd likely not be able to cash it in for crown gems as I can technically still use it on an alt. I'd be quite upset if that situation happened, but I suppose a player's level of being upset doesn't really stop anything crate related.

Kirameku · January 2017

Why do you guys cry all the time. ZOS gets more money -> more chances for us to get more new content. Don't supporting your favourite game is FeelsBadMan

Phinix1 · January 2017

Kirameku wrote: »

Why do you guys cry all the time. ZOS gets more money -> more chances for us to get more new content. Don't supporting your favourite game is FeelsBadMan

I'm sorry if you can't understand not supporting your favorite game going down a road of "limited time" everything, casino crates, and other cheap tactics and loyal supporters getting left behind constantly missing out on cool things even when they sub.

The things they are doing are NOT good for the community or the game. Every game that does these things is ruined within a year. There is a reason these sorts of things are typically reserved for a game's "end of life" cycle.

I know "more money good" seems like the obvious conclusion to everything but at some point you have to actually consider HOW they are getting that money and whether it is actually good for the game or not, and what this casino crate team has done with crates and Crown only motifs and limited time schemes etc. is absolutely NOT good for the game, no matter how much money they make from it.

All it does is encourage them to make LESS quality content, fix less performance and balance bugs, raise the price on mounts MORE, and cram MORE of this sort of gambling crate garbage F2P tactics down the loyal community's throat.

When is the last time they released any substantial new content? I don't even see the assumption that this money from scam crates is going back into the game.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

Kirameku wrote: »

Why do you guys cry all the time. ZOS gets more money -> more chances for us to get more new content. Don't supporting your favourite game is FeelsBadMan

I'm sorry if you can't understand not supporting your favorite game going down a road of "limited time" everything, casino crates, and other cheap tactics and loyal supporters getting left behind constantly missing out on cool things even when they sub.

The things they are doing are NOT good for the community or the game. Every game that does these things is ruined within a year. There is a reason these sorts of things are typically reserved for a game's "end of life" cycle.

I know "more money good" seems like the obvious conclusion to everything but at some point you have to actually consider HOW they are getting that money and whether it is actually good for the game or not, and what this casino crate team has done with crates and Crown only motifs and limited time schemes etc. is absolutely NOT good for the game, no matter how much money they make from it.

All it does is encourage them to make LESS quality content, fix less performance and balance bugs, raise the price on mounts MORE, and cram MORE of this sort of gambling crate garbage F2P tactics down the loyal community's throat.

When is the last time they released any substantial new content? I don't even see the assumption that this money from scam crates is going back into the game.

To add on to this. More money is not always good because more money doesnt mean they are reinvesting it in the product. Plenty of companies out there do everything they can to avoid reinvesting in their own product. So that those at the top of the food chain there in the company and their investors can go home with a fatter wallet.

Its really not hard to understand so the people in denial about it are willfully ignoring it. There was a time when companies would constantly innovate and reinvest in their own product so to continue to be relevant and on top of things. But it doesnt work that way anymore. If they can get more money out of an item with the least amount of effort theyll do it (Senche Reskins? Do people actually believe that theres a lot of effort going back into a new Senche everytime one appears in the store?)

Mercutio · January 2017

If it can be obtained in-game I don't see the problem with it. I have a lot of issues with the monetization path Zeni seems to be going down at increased speed, but that isn't one of them.

rakrynaz · January 2017

I'm starting to worry that I've just subbed and invested money in a game company that's close to pulling the whole thing down very soon XD

If that is the case then I may be going back to Guild Wars 2 permanently as they don't do *** like gambling crates or P2W.......They seem to listen to their community quite well when they're not threatening to ban players for speaking out against them lol

Greed is humanity's biggest downfall. It destroys most things and will definitely be the reason the entire human race goes to *** if natural disasters don't kill us first XD

I love ESO so far and the community is amazing but I hate corporate greed. I have two businesses of my own and people know when they're being taken for a ride so it's stupid even trying. Morally it's wrong but if anything it's awful business practise and the fastest way to put a business under.

As the saying goes.....It can take 10 years to build a reputation but only 10 seconds to pull it all apart.

Unfortunately it tends to be the guys on the frontline (developers, community mods, etc) that get it in the neck for bad business decisions and bad business practise when really they have no say and are being completely ignored by the fat cats at the top that have no idea what affect their decisions are having on their customers before it's too late. Completely blinded by greed.

Let's just hope these fat cats listen.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2017

Mercutio wrote: »

If it can be obtained in-game I don't see the problem with it. I have a lot of issues with the monetization path Zeni seems to be going down at increased speed, but that isn't one of them.

Its not about the individual motif. Youre missing the forest for the trees here.

AlnilamE · January 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

Kirameku wrote: »

Why do you guys cry all the time. ZOS gets more money -> more chances for us to get more new content. Don't supporting your favourite game is FeelsBadMan

I'm sorry if you can't understand not supporting your favorite game going down a road of "limited time" everything, casino crates, and other cheap tactics and loyal supporters getting left behind constantly missing out on cool things even when they sub.

The things they are doing are NOT good for the community or the game. Every game that does these things is ruined within a year. There is a reason these sorts of things are typically reserved for a game's "end of life" cycle.

I know "more money good" seems like the obvious conclusion to everything but at some point you have to actually consider HOW they are getting that money and whether it is actually good for the game or not, and what this casino crate team has done with crates and Crown only motifs and limited time schemes etc. is absolutely NOT good for the game, no matter how much money they make from it.

All it does is encourage them to make LESS quality content, fix less performance and balance bugs, raise the price on mounts MORE, and cram MORE of this sort of gambling crate garbage F2P tactics down the loyal community's throat.

When is the last time they released any substantial new content? I don't even see the assumption that this money from scam crates is going back into the game.

To add on to this. More money is not always good because more money doesnt mean they are reinvesting it in the product. Plenty of companies out there do everything they can to avoid reinvesting in their own product. So that those at the top of the food chain there in the company and their investors can go home with a fatter wallet.

Its really not hard to understand so the people in denial about it are willfully ignoring it. There was a time when companies would constantly innovate and reinvest in their own product so to continue to be relevant and on top of things. But it doesnt work that way anymore. If they can get more money out of an item with the least amount of effort theyll do it (Senche Reskins? Do people actually believe that theres a lot of effort going back into a new Senche everytime one appears in the store?)

Can you please go to the PTS forums, read the patch notes and then come back here and say with a straight face that all those changes take less effort than putting a new skin on a Senche?

Also, I'd be happy to gift you Black Desert online on the condition that you reach level 30 on one character, so you can have a look at how their game is designed around having a cash store, so you can see the difference.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · January 2017

GaldorP wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

They started off so strong, so unique, with such a refreshing P2P model that wasn't ramming micro-transactions and pay gating down your throat at every turn.

Fixed that for you. When they went B2P was when they started going down hill. Compromising with developement ideologies and eventually loosing Paul Sage.

I still blame Microsoft and Sony for having their own mandatory subscription fees to play games online on their consoles. I think that played a big part among other factors that forced ZOS to drop the P2P model.

There seems to be this idea that ZOS were at some point committed to the P2P model.
This could not be further from the truth.

ZOS had always said that ESO would be Cross Platform, and they new, from the start, that Sony and Microsoft required a subscription to access those online networks.

There was NEVER any chance that console players were going to pay monthly subs to both a) to access their platform network AND b) to play ESO.

So even from the development planning stages ZOS knew, for a fact, that the moment the X-Box/PS game was launched PC P2P was dead. Because PC players were never going to pay a mandatory subscription for game-access that X-Box and PS players were getting for free.

So the ONLY logical conclusion to take from the facts as we know them, and by that I mean the facts of what ACTUALLY happened (rather than what people said they wanted to happen) is that the PC P2P Model that existed before Console Launch was only ever intended to be a temporary situation, a temporary situation that ZOS could use as a revenue stream to fund the final phases of Console development and release.

PC ESO was ALWAYS going to end up as B2P, and because of that the Crown Store was ALWAYS going to make an appearance.

That is the only explanation that fits the facts of what happened.

All The Best

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2017

AlnilamE wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

Kirameku wrote: »

Why do you guys cry all the time. ZOS gets more money -> more chances for us to get more new content. Don't supporting your favourite game is FeelsBadMan

I'm sorry if you can't understand not supporting your favorite game going down a road of "limited time" everything, casino crates, and other cheap tactics and loyal supporters getting left behind constantly missing out on cool things even when they sub.

The things they are doing are NOT good for the community or the game. Every game that does these things is ruined within a year. There is a reason these sorts of things are typically reserved for a game's "end of life" cycle.

I know "more money good" seems like the obvious conclusion to everything but at some point you have to actually consider HOW they are getting that money and whether it is actually good for the game or not, and what this casino crate team has done with crates and Crown only motifs and limited time schemes etc. is absolutely NOT good for the game, no matter how much money they make from it.

All it does is encourage them to make LESS quality content, fix less performance and balance bugs, raise the price on mounts MORE, and cram MORE of this sort of gambling crate garbage F2P tactics down the loyal community's throat.

When is the last time they released any substantial new content? I don't even see the assumption that this money from scam crates is going back into the game.

To add on to this. More money is not always good because more money doesnt mean they are reinvesting it in the product. Plenty of companies out there do everything they can to avoid reinvesting in their own product. So that those at the top of the food chain there in the company and their investors can go home with a fatter wallet.

Its really not hard to understand so the people in denial about it are willfully ignoring it. There was a time when companies would constantly innovate and reinvest in their own product so to continue to be relevant and on top of things. But it doesnt work that way anymore. If they can get more money out of an item with the least amount of effort theyll do it (Senche Reskins? Do people actually believe that theres a lot of effort going back into a new Senche everytime one appears in the store?)

Can you please go to the PTS forums, read the patch notes and then come back here and say with a straight face that all those changes take less effort than putting a new skin on a Senche?

Also, I'd be happy to gift you Black Desert online on the condition that you reach level 30 on one character, so you can have a look at how their game is designed around having a cash store, so you can see the difference.

Let me get this straight. You took my example of them cutting corners and are trying to twist it to make it look like I said Devs dont do work? Hope you didnt have any expectations of this conversation going farther than this.

And Id be happy to show you STO on the condition that you can actually get a top of the line build out of the game without ever having to spend money or having someone spend money on your behalf. Im not new to *** microtransactions. Having a "shittier" system then here doesnt make it okay to have one here. I bet youre the type to tell someone "It could always be worse you could live in X country".

AlnilamE · January 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

Kirameku wrote: »

Why do you guys cry all the time. ZOS gets more money -> more chances for us to get more new content. Don't supporting your favourite game is FeelsBadMan

I'm sorry if you can't understand not supporting your favorite game going down a road of "limited time" everything, casino crates, and other cheap tactics and loyal supporters getting left behind constantly missing out on cool things even when they sub.

The things they are doing are NOT good for the community or the game. Every game that does these things is ruined within a year. There is a reason these sorts of things are typically reserved for a game's "end of life" cycle.

I know "more money good" seems like the obvious conclusion to everything but at some point you have to actually consider HOW they are getting that money and whether it is actually good for the game or not, and what this casino crate team has done with crates and Crown only motifs and limited time schemes etc. is absolutely NOT good for the game, no matter how much money they make from it.

All it does is encourage them to make LESS quality content, fix less performance and balance bugs, raise the price on mounts MORE, and cram MORE of this sort of gambling crate garbage F2P tactics down the loyal community's throat.

When is the last time they released any substantial new content? I don't even see the assumption that this money from scam crates is going back into the game.

To add on to this. More money is not always good because more money doesnt mean they are reinvesting it in the product. Plenty of companies out there do everything they can to avoid reinvesting in their own product. So that those at the top of the food chain there in the company and their investors can go home with a fatter wallet.

Its really not hard to understand so the people in denial about it are willfully ignoring it. There was a time when companies would constantly innovate and reinvest in their own product so to continue to be relevant and on top of things. But it doesnt work that way anymore. If they can get more money out of an item with the least amount of effort theyll do it (Senche Reskins? Do people actually believe that theres a lot of effort going back into a new Senche everytime one appears in the store?)

Can you please go to the PTS forums, read the patch notes and then come back here and say with a straight face that all those changes take less effort than putting a new skin on a Senche?

Also, I'd be happy to gift you Black Desert online on the condition that you reach level 30 on one character, so you can have a look at how their game is designed around having a cash store, so you can see the difference.

Let me get this straight. You took my example of them cutting corners and are trying to twist it to make it look like I said Devs dont do work? Hope you didnt have any expectations of this conversation going farther than this.

Then I really don't understand your complaint. Is it that they are spending more time on the crown store than on the game? Is it that they are not spending enough time on the Crown Store to make stuff that you want to buy? Is it that they are not releasing content fast enough? Is it that people are able to buy items in the Crown Store that they can acquire in game (like motifs, and now houses?)

If it's the last one, it has nothing to do with the crown store and more with all the revisions that they've made to the game. Since I started playing, they've revamped the Provisioning system, introduced the Champion System, removed Vet ranks, added 5 new zones, 4 dungeons, 4 trials, several skill lines, the justice system, public guild traders, One Tamriel, Duelling, cross-faction grouping for dungeons and trials, and revised skills and abilities a number of times. All this stuff requires development hours that detract from your "new content".

I'm personally ok with the stuff they have put in the crown store so far. I didn't buy the Grim Harlequin motif because it's not available in game. I've bought some mounts and some outfits with the crowns I get from my sub and I'm happy that they are all account-wide so I can dress up my characters at will. I'm also happy that none of that gives me an advantage in game (other than looking cool).

Also, I have no idea what STO is, but I'm guessing your proposal would take more than the 3-5 hours that mine would?