After Patch, Are DW Sorcs Dead (PvP)?

Kahl_dur · January 2017

I have a lot of fun playing my DW sorc in PvP, and rely on Velocious Curse to apply pressure on opponents. Read in the patch notes with some dismay that Velocious is being reworked into Haunting Curse with an increase from 3.5 to 6 seconds. Don't really understand the necessity for this change, but I see it negatively impacting my playstyle.

For all the DW sorcs and knowledgeable players out there, will DW sorcs still be viable after patch? Is it time to hang up my swords and pick up a staff? Thanks for any insight and ideas.

andreasranasen · January 2017

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Isellskooma · January 2017

I don't think they'll be dead, but it might be harder to pressure with DW.
(Not much experience with sorc)

leepalmer95 · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

andreasranasen · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

Isellskooma · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

^^

leepalmer95 · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

But you'll do the same damage with a fire destro now? whats the point?

andreasranasen · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

But you'll do the same damage with a fire destro now? whats the point?

Wait what? I thought we were talking about skill changes? As far as the inferno staff they upped the dmg by 4-8% I believe?

leepalmer95 · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

But you'll do the same damage with a fire destro now? whats the point?

Wait what? I thought we were talking about skill changes? As far as the inferno staff they upped the dmg by 4-8% I believe?

Inferno increases all your single target dmg by 8%.

The point of dw the passive of 5% increased damage
Then the 260~ spell dmg from using an offhand 1h
Plus an extra item slot

The 8% buff on inferno staff gives similar damage as the dw passive + 260 spell dmg.

So to gain an extra slot you'll give up the entire destro passives, crushing shock/ force pulse (which can't be relfected), destro ult (if you use it) , the ability of weave and gain ult and the nice dps boost weaving will give up.

andreasranasen · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

But you'll do the same damage with a fire destro now? whats the point?

Wait what? I thought we were talking about skill changes? As far as the inferno staff they upped the dmg by 4-8% I believe?

Inferno increases all your single target dmg by 8%.

The point of dw the passive of 5% increased damage
Then the 260~ spell dmg from using an offhand 1h
Plus an extra item slot

The 8% buff on inferno staff gives similar damage as the dw passive + 260 spell dmg.

So to gain an extra slot you'll give up the entire destro passives, crushing shock/ force pulse (which can't be relfected), destro ult (if you use it) , the ability of weave and gain ult and the nice dps boost weaving will give up.

Well I use two torugs swords on my backbar, so around 400 extra spell dmg + Nirn.

Kova · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

But you'll do the same damage with a fire destro now? whats the point?

Wait what? I thought we were talking about skill changes? As far as the inferno staff they upped the dmg by 4-8% I believe?

Inferno increases all your single target dmg by 8%.

The point of dw the passive of 5% increased damage
Then the 260~ spell dmg from using an offhand 1h
Plus an extra item slot

The 8% buff on inferno staff gives similar damage as the dw passive + 260 spell dmg.

So to gain an extra slot you'll give up the entire destro passives, crushing shock/ force pulse (which can't be relfected), destro ult (if you use it) , the ability of weave and gain ult and the nice dps boost weaving will give up.

This is a good argument that outlines the math behind the advantage of both playstyles, something a lot of players will never do in a game.

That being said, I don't think DW sorcs will die because it targets a specific playstyle regardless of strength. I know a few players who rock DW on sorc and temps because they admit to sucking at weaving and rather have an easy kill setup without worrying about weapon attack mechanics.

leepalmer95 · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

But you'll do the same damage with a fire destro now? whats the point?

Wait what? I thought we were talking about skill changes? As far as the inferno staff they upped the dmg by 4-8% I believe?

Inferno increases all your single target dmg by 8%.

The point of dw the passive of 5% increased damage
Then the 260~ spell dmg from using an offhand 1h
Plus an extra item slot

The 8% buff on inferno staff gives similar damage as the dw passive + 260 spell dmg.

So to gain an extra slot you'll give up the entire destro passives, crushing shock/ force pulse (which can't be relfected), destro ult (if you use it) , the ability of weave and gain ult and the nice dps boost weaving will give up.

Well I use two torugs swords on my backbar, so around 400 extra spell dmg + Nirn.

You use 2 nirn swords or 1? xD

A gold sharp 1h is 6% dmg increase per sword :P

andreasranasen · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

But you'll do the same damage with a fire destro now? whats the point?

Wait what? I thought we were talking about skill changes? As far as the inferno staff they upped the dmg by 4-8% I believe?

Inferno increases all your single target dmg by 8%.

The point of dw the passive of 5% increased damage
Then the 260~ spell dmg from using an offhand 1h
Plus an extra item slot

The 8% buff on inferno staff gives similar damage as the dw passive + 260 spell dmg.

So to gain an extra slot you'll give up the entire destro passives, crushing shock/ force pulse (which can't be relfected), destro ult (if you use it) , the ability of weave and gain ult and the nice dps boost weaving will give up.

Well I use two torugs swords on my backbar, so around 400 extra spell dmg + Nirn.

You use 2 nirn swords or 1? xD

A gold sharp 1h is 6% dmg increase per sword :P

2 duuuh

There's a 129 extra spell dmg from torugs two piece.

andreasranasen · January 2017

I'm not worrying about being a DW Sorc

I have Infernal Guardian on now though so a little less spell dmg.

@leepalmer95

gard · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

But you'll do the same damage with a fire destro now? whats the point?

Wait what? I thought we were talking about skill changes? As far as the inferno staff they upped the dmg by 4-8% I believe?

Inferno increases all your single target dmg by 8%.

The point of dw the passive of 5% increased damage
Then the 260~ spell dmg from using an offhand 1h
Plus an extra item slot

The 8% buff on inferno staff gives similar damage as the dw passive + 260 spell dmg.

So to gain an extra slot you'll give up the entire destro passives, crushing shock/ force pulse (which can't be relfected), destro ult (if you use it) , the ability of weave and gain ult and the nice dps boost weaving will give up.

Well I use two torugs swords on my backbar, so around 400 extra spell dmg + Nirn.

Sharpened beats nirn.

Dw sorc will not die. Because people either can't math, or simply like the playstyle and don't care about the numbers.

Whatever though. I'm sure people will be successful and happy with dw sorc. Unless they go one on one against a destro sorc, in which case they are at a disadvantage.

psychotic13 · January 2017

I'm still gonna run DW sorc, that extra set piece is too important to my set up, that's losing the Necropotence 5pc and several thousand magicka.

DW sorc is more about timing a lethal burst, Destro is more sustained damage and pressure. I personally prefer the burst so that's the play style I'm going to stick with.

Sharpened is better than Nirn, unless you're fighting another shield stacker, then nirn would probably be better.

andreasranasen wrote: »

I'm not worrying about being a DW Sorc
I have Infernal Guardian on now though so a little less spell dmg.

@leepalmer95

What's your set up/skills out of curiosity?

Minalan · January 2017

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You'll want a maelstrom inferno staff this time for the 180 spell damage. That, or a spinner (or whatever set) inferno staff with a spell damage enchant on it. You'll deal more burst damage than a DW build with either with the 8% flame staff passive.

You'll still use curse (except on a Templar), but you'll fill in with fire heavy attacks. That'll proc the spell damage buff, and your empowered frag will hit harder.

A fire heavy attack can hit just as hard as a curse explosion, and you'll still keep those going. You'll just get more damage spikes and opportunities to kill someone. Plus, you'll burn every vampire for 20% more with fire and that's just hilarious.

Plus: you can slot the fire destro ultimate.

[Snip]

[Edit to remove bait.

leepalmer95 · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

But you'll do the same damage with a fire destro now? whats the point?

Wait what? I thought we were talking about skill changes? As far as the inferno staff they upped the dmg by 4-8% I believe?

Inferno increases all your single target dmg by 8%.

The point of dw the passive of 5% increased damage
Then the 260~ spell dmg from using an offhand 1h
Plus an extra item slot

The 8% buff on inferno staff gives similar damage as the dw passive + 260 spell dmg.

So to gain an extra slot you'll give up the entire destro passives, crushing shock/ force pulse (which can't be relfected), destro ult (if you use it) , the ability of weave and gain ult and the nice dps boost weaving will give up.

Well I use two torugs swords on my backbar, so around 400 extra spell dmg + Nirn.

You use 2 nirn swords or 1? xD

A gold sharp 1h is 6% dmg increase per sword :P

2 duuuh There's a 129 extra spell dmg from torugs two piece.

Sec i'll get a link from the site i was building it on for next patch

If your gonna use nirn don't bother using nirn on both weps.

Your main hand gives 100% of it's dmg your offhand gives 20% so using nirn on your off hand gives like 40 spell damage, may as well use sharpened there.

leepalmer95 · January 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

I'm still gonna run DW sorc, that extra set piece is too important to my set up, that's losing the Necropotence 5pc and several thousand magicka.

DW sorc is more about timing a lethal burst, Destro is more sustained damage and pressure. I personally prefer the burst so that's the play style I'm going to stick with.

Sharpened is better than Nirn, unless you're fighting another shield stacker, then nirn would probably be better.

andreasranasen wrote: »

I'm not worrying about being a DW Sorc
I have Infernal Guardian on now though so a little less spell dmg.

@leepalmer95

What's your set up/skills out of curiosity?

This is what i'm planning use next patch:

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=6257

If i need a bit more sustain i'll swap the monster helm.
You don't seem to have much crit resist either though

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2017

@andreasranasen

Honest question ... how often do you die in PVP?

Those resistances are quite low. I think you're about the only PVPer I've ever seen run less crit resist than me (1003) but both my spell and physical are around 30k on my DPS Magplar. I run about 41.5K Magicka and 3k spell power.

psychotic13 · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I'm still gonna run DW sorc, that extra set piece is too important to my set up, that's losing the Necropotence 5pc and several thousand magicka.

DW sorc is more about timing a lethal burst, Destro is more sustained damage and pressure. I personally prefer the burst so that's the play style I'm going to stick with.

Sharpened is better than Nirn, unless you're fighting another shield stacker, then nirn would probably be better.

andreasranasen wrote: »

I'm not worrying about being a DW Sorc
I have Infernal Guardian on now though so a little less spell dmg.

@leepalmer95

What's your set up/skills out of curiosity?

This is what i'm planning use next patch:

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=6257

If i need a bit more sustain i'll swap the monster helm.
You don't seem to have much crit resist either though

I'm currently using x5 trainee, x5 Necropotence and x2 infernal guardian. I use the Mage Mundas and infused/divines though. I don't think Impen is worth it for a shield stacking sorc. I use DW/Resto too I'm not a massive fan of the twilight though it could be decent with the buffed health and resistance.

andreasranasen · January 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

@andreasranasen

Honest question ... how often do you die in PVP?

Those resistances are quite low. I think you're about the only PVPer I've ever seen run less crit resist than me (1003) but both my spell and physical are around 30k on my DPS Magplar. I run about 41.5K Magicka and 3k spell power.

I don't. I'm quite tanky, I pretty much use same build for PvE content except changing out a few skills and I can tank and solo any vet dungeon. The only time it hurts in PvP is if people ambush, incap and viper+veli. But that's about it. I rarely die. My shields are pretty big.

psychotic13 · January 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

@andreasranasen

Honest question ... how often do you die in PVP?

Those resistances are quite low. I think you're about the only PVPer I've ever seen run less crit resist than me (1003) but both my spell and physical are around 30k on my DPS Magplar. I run about 41.5K Magicka and 3k spell power.

I run 0 crit resist, I do have 53k magicka though so I rarely get critted with the shields.

Kahl_dur · January 2017

I just want to thank everyone who responded to my question. I really appreciate it. Lots of good info. I really like the DW playstyle, so I won't give up on it just yet. You guys inspired me to try some new things with my build though, so I'm going to experiment and shake things up a bit.

Biro123 · January 2017

I can't see DW working anymore unless its more for a buff/burst back-bar to switch to every 6 seconds to burst with - and that's all. Which means the other bar needs to be destro as it will be the main 'pressure' bar - but then we lose healing ward - which means perhaps needing a pet for heals..

Compared to destro/resto, I think its more trouble than its worth now.

Malamar1229 · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Wait why would the dw sorc be dead for? I've been rocking my dw sorc for 148 days of gameplay in total and I'm a General in PvP. No one uses Overload in PvP anyways. Velocious Curse, never used it to be honest because it's not a must-have-skill. The only reason I have dw on my mag sorc is to up spell dmg by 300 so my Soul Assault on my backbar hits harder (89k dmg over time).

Wut?

Yeah Dw sorc's will die.

Honestly I can't with people giving up on a class because of 1 skill. These are the same people who left the class pre One Tamriel and came back and relied on Destro Ult to carry them.

DW Mag Sorc won't die because of bad players who can't adapt with one change in-game to one skill. I will definitely keep DW sorc alive on PS4 which I've done since day 1 and SLAYED!

But you'll do the same damage with a fire destro now? whats the point?

Wait what? I thought we were talking about skill changes? As far as the inferno staff they upped the dmg by 4-8% I believe?

Inferno increases all your single target dmg by 8%.

The point of dw the passive of 5% increased damage
Then the 260~ spell dmg from using an offhand 1h
Plus an extra item slot

The 8% buff on inferno staff gives similar damage as the dw passive + 260 spell dmg.

So to gain an extra slot you'll give up the entire destro passives, crushing shock/ force pulse (which can't be relfected), destro ult (if you use it) , the ability of weave and gain ult and the nice dps boost weaving will give up.

not to mention even if you wanna roll DW for a zerg bustin VD build its still dead bc lightning staff aoe dmg buff

so DW is dead ya

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