How to raise DPS?

Hot_spur
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Serious question...

I've been playing about a year. Finished the storyline long ago. Now I just like doing the daily pledges. Normal dungeons are getting boring, and some vet dungeons I do okay in. Some I can't finish - Direfrost and Blackheart come to mind. Occasionally I'll get in with a great group, but I feel like I'm being carried by the good players.

I'm CP488. I play as an Imperial templar, my stamina is over 30,000, health is around 18,000, mag is around 13,000. Favorite weapon is duel wield, and I keep a bow on bar 2, which I use mostly for its ultimate skill. The 13k mag is for self healing. I use food that buffs stamina and healing.

I got the Combat Metrics add-on, and see that I'm only pulling around 10k dps, which I'm reading is considered pretty weak.

My weapons are purple, and all my armor (medium) is purple - five piece Hulking Draugr, plus 2 more matched pieces that boost stam. And jewelry that does the same. I want a lot of stamina for attacking skills and dodging.

I am at a loss for how to raise my dps. Some say 20k is ok, but 30k is ideal.

I have no idea how to get there.

Any help appreciated.

I originally posted this in Players Helping Players, but thought this board would be better equipped to address.
  • Lokryn
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    Unfortunately, Stamina Templars are pretty low dps right now. Here's a guide which may help though. http://alcasthq.com/jabsmania/
  • slayerwins
    Try stacking your dots on your bow bar like endless hail and caltrops. You have to reapply them on expiration. All while spaming rapid strikes. Learn some animation canceling and light weave. Notice that you didn't mention sets on your jewellery and weapons and monster sets. Might be missing out on some bonuses there. Your stam pool and health pool seam decent. You at your cp you should be looking to get some decent crit... 55 to 60%
  • Syrani
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    You may not like this suggestion, but I think you need to do some PVP to get vigor, and then drop the points in magicka and put em in stam. I HATE PVP with a passion, but managed to drag myself in there long enough to get vigor (a stamina based heal over time).

    After that, you will want to make sure you are using set pieces in all the slots that you can, including jewelry and weapons. If you aren't running trials, you could go with 3 Agility jewelry (robust trait), enchanted with weapon damage. If you are running trials, go for Vicious Ohphidian jewelry.

    Get some sharpened Leki's daggers or axes (or a combo of the 2) and upgrade those to gold. Get a sharpened bow as well, although you probably won't be able to use a set bonus with that. After that, work on getting a monster head/shoulder set like Kragh.

    Finally, do some research to see what 5 piece armour set would be good to use. I don't know much about stam BiS, but I am pretty sure you want all medium divines armour. TBS would probably be ok, but it's more for trials. There may be something better for dungeons. If you go with TBS, use the Thief and Shadow mundus. If you go with some other set, use the Thief.
  • Hot_spur
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    slayerwins wrote: »
    Try stacking your dots on your bow bar like endless hail and caltrops. You have to reapply them on expiration. All while spaming rapid strikes. Learn some animation canceling and light weave. Notice that you didn't mention sets on your jewellery and weapons and monster sets. Might be missing out on some bonuses there. Your stam pool and health pool seam decent. You at your cp you should be looking to get some decent crit... 55 to 60%

    If I'm dealing with a mob I use Biting Jabs. If they're at a distance I use Shrouded Daggers until I can get closer. I weave in Lightweight Beast Trap to anchor enemies and increase my damage.

    When going one on one I use Lightweight Beast Trap followed by Whirling Blades and I weave in left mouse attacks to fill my ultimate. When the ultimate is full I switch to my bow and use Toxic Barrage. Then rinse and repeat.

    I have 2 Viper's Sting pieces of armor in addition to 5 Hulking Draugr. One of my blades is from the Viper's Sting set, and I have a Viper's Sting necklace and ring. My other ring is Bone Pirate's Tatter. All of it is purple. Some is divine, some is reinforced, etc. As I farm dungeons I try to upgrade all.

    I have no idea how to get yellow gear, as I've never seen it drop.

    My CP allocation is pretty much all over the board, but I can look up where the majority of it is. I could use some advice on where to concentrate it if I am going to need to re-spec.
  • Hot_spur
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    Syrani wrote: »
    You may not like this suggestion, but I think you need to do some PVP to get vigor, and then drop the points in magicka and put em in stam. I HATE PVP with a passion, but managed to drag myself in there long enough to get vigor (a stamina based heal over time).

    I absolutely hated PvP. I only got to lvl 3 when they nerved Craglorn to make some of it solo-able. Then I went there, and that's where I started accepting group invites.

    Looks like I need to go back and grind it a bit to get Vigor.

    Other advice was good too.

    Thanks.
  • White wabbit
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    Do you use Hidden blade as this will give you major brutality which increase your weapon damage by 20% for 20 seconds
  • Zagnut123Zagnut123
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    Good sets for stam users are twice born star and night mother's gaze. Twice born star requires nine traits researched Wich is a big hurdle for most people (if you play PC na I'll Craft it for you all I need is materials). Agilaty is fairly inexpensive now and a good set to hold you over till you can get into some trials and get vicious ophidian jewelry.

    I've never played stamplar but makings sure you have dots up constantly is important. Endless hail, poison injection, razor caltrops, rending slashes, also I would use rearming trap as well because it lasts longer. Kraghs is BIS for stam single target dps. Also make sure you have sharpened weapons and gold them out as that gives alot of extra wpn damage.

    Additionally you gold out gear with gold mats (temporing alloys) that you get from refining raw materials (rubedite ore) or doing dailies writs. Golding gear can be quite expensive so you should focus on what is most important weapons first the large pieces of armour (chest, legs, helm).

    Lastly the two sets I suggested to you are Craft able and can be made in divines Wich I strongly suggest.

    Question. What's your CP distribution for the blue tree? I would suggest 100 into mighty first but the rest depends on were most of your damage comes from.
  • lokrian
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    unless you master animation cancelling, light attack weaving and have a gaming mouse programmable to basically insta cast your back bar (also animation cancelling) you will always do a lot less dps .

    you can basically double you dps just through animation cancelling. which is a pretty *** game mechanic to have in place really.
  • Norn
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    It's all about the rotation and having correct gear.

    Even though it doesn't make a huge difference, your class and race choices are suboptimal when it comes to PVE stam builds. Your gear choice is completely wrong as well. You can get up to 38K Stam with a correct race/class and generic stam endgame gear(none of them are stam focused like draugr).

    Even using 5P NMG, 4P Hunding and 3P Agility jewellery(starting kit for Stam users) with all points invested into stamina will yield 2x more damage compared to your current build. Healing yourself is not your job, it's the healers job. Anytime you stop to heal yourself, you lose DPS. Dodging certain mechanics and not taking unnecessary damage is your job though.
  • Hot_spur
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    I hate to sound ignorant (even though I am about many things), but please describe animation cancelling. I don't know what that is.

    I use a Naga Epic Chroma mouse. The side buttons are where my abilities are programmed, along with roll dodges. The top two center buttons are my 2 weapon bars.

    Thanks everyone for all of this help.
  • Hot_spur
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    By the way, I went to Cyrodil last night, for the first time an many months, and, yep, I still hate PvP. I'm lvl 3, and need to get to lvl 5 to get Vigor. So I guess that's where I'll be over the weekend.

    My ultimate goal is to do vet dungeons and trials on a regular basis.

    There's something about killing real players, and getting killed by real players that I really don't like. I can kill NPCs all day long, and occasionally get killed by an NPC, and it doesn't bother me in the least.

    I've been challenged to duel a bunch of times, and just refuse to do it.

    Heck, I didn't even like throwing mud balls at people. Still have a bunch of them.

    :)
  • Syrani
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    For PVP, what I did was buy siege weapons and wall/door repair kits. I never joined a group, but I would look at the map and find keeps that were under attack. If we owned the keep, I would go in and set up siege on the top floor and shoot at the attackers. If we were attacking a keep, I would set up siege in the field and shoot at the wall or door. If we ended up owning the keep after the battle, I would use the repair kits.

    Sometimes, while travelling behind a group heading to a keep, we would come across a group of enemy players. Since I didn't have any impen PVP armor, I would die really quick if I ran in to fight. So, what I would do is wait for the group to engage, then set up anti-personnel siege and fire off into the enemy group. It makes you an easy target, but if the group you are following can keep the enemy busy, you can get off some hits.

    Helping to take resources is another thing that gives some AP. It's just NPCs there, unless the enemy shows up. After you have helped kill the NPCs (or enemies), stand under the flag while it's changing to your faction.

    It took me several hours over a few days to get vigor, but it wasn't that bad, and having it is really nice.
  • NordSwordnBoard
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    Hot_spur wrote: »
    By the way, I went to Cyrodil last night, for the first time an many months, and, yep, I still hate PvP. I'm lvl 3, and need to get to lvl 5 to get Vigor. So I guess that's where I'll be over the weekend.

    My ultimate goal is to do vet dungeons and trials on a regular basis.

    There's something about killing real players, and getting killed by real players that I really don't like. I can kill NPCs all day long, and occasionally get killed by an NPC, and it doesn't bother me in the least.

    I've been challenged to duel a bunch of times, and just refuse to do it.

    Heck, I didn't even like throwing mud balls at people. Still have a bunch of them.

    :)

    Buy wall repair kits with gold, repair castle walls and towers, delves are usually vacant on a empty server - killing a named npc will increase AP gain by 20% I think. Repairing a wall by yourself that's been upgraded gets you about 1k AP.
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  • sneakymitchell
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    Hot_spur wrote: »
    Serious question...

    I've been playing about a year. Finished the storyline long ago. Now I just like doing the daily pledges. Normal dungeons are getting boring, and some vet dungeons I do okay in. Some I can't finish - Direfrost and Blackheart come to mind. Occasionally I'll get in with a great group, but I feel like I'm being carried by the good players.

    I'm CP488. I play as an Imperial templar, my stamina is over 30,000, health is around 18,000, mag is around 13,000. Favorite weapon is duel wield, and I keep a bow on bar 2, which I use mostly for its ultimate skill. The 13k mag is for self healing. I use food that buffs stamina and healing.

    I got the Combat Metrics add-on, and see that I'm only pulling around 10k dps, which I'm reading is considered pretty weak.

    My weapons are purple, and all my armor (medium) is purple - five piece Hulking Draugr, plus 2 more matched pieces that boost stam. And jewelry that does the same. I want a lot of stamina for attacking skills and dodging.

    I am at a loss for how to raise my dps. Some say 20k is ok, but 30k is ideal.

    I have no idea how to get there.

    Any help appreciated.

    I originally posted this in Players Helping Players, but thought this board would be better equipped to address.

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  • pizzaow
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    Hot_spur wrote: »
    I hate to sound ignorant (even though I am about many things), but please describe animation cancelling. I don't know what that is.
    It's a way to attach quicker (by cancelling your character's animation). Here is a video which explains it pretty well:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLZzGoPp9Ug

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  • Lashiing
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    i pull 42k on my stam nb
    message me for advice
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  • Hot_spur
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    Okay, I'm back to report that I have learned animation cancelling, and it is amazing. I am now pulling about 20k - not great, but much better.

    I've managed to get about a fifth of the way through level 4 in Alliance, so I'm getting close to acquiring Vigor.

    Also Zagnut123 crafted me some Twice Born Star gear, which I am testing.

    Thank you all for the help. I really appreciate it.
  • Hot_spur
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    Okay, I now have vigor, and a good set of TBS gear.

    Should I give up all of my mag, and put some in health and some in stam?

    Currently I'm:
    mag 11,992
    health 19,976
    stam 38,813
  • akl77
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    Templar dps either stam or magicka are all hopeless. I tried both in top set legendary gears, still lacks to other class average dps.
    So I gave up, Templar can only be good at being a healer, nothing else.
    ZOS designed it so, so we can try other classes on alt character.
    Templar need some serious love.
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  • raj72616a
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    upgrade your weapon to gold. use sharpened weapon. use 2 piece monster set and 2 sets of 5 piece sets.
    Kragh monster set. hunding rage and spriggan or whatever stam dps set you have got.

    hidden blade for major brutality buff, trap beast for minor force bufg and dot, blood craze for more dot. then biting jab jab jab jab jab until you need to reapply the dot and the buffs. i think you can reach 15~20k dps without animation cancelling.
  • Hot_spur
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    All good advice raj.

    The main advantage to animation cancelling that I'm finding is that the weave of light attack and skills deals more damage than just the skill attack, and it has the additional benefit of filling my ultimate quickly. In a typical end boss battle I can get as many as 6 ults off, which really helps.
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Hot_spur wrote: »
    All good advice raj.

    The main advantage to animation cancelling that I'm finding is that the weave of light attack and skills deals more damage than just the skill attack, and it has the additional benefit of filling my ultimate quickly. In a typical end boss battle I can get as many as 6 ults off, which really helps.

    While I will agree that some animation canceling combos probably need looked at, the basic light weave is a staple of DPS in PVE. If you arent light or medium weaving, your DPS sucks. Period, end of story. Its not a cheat or exploit. The game is balanced around it and some skills like merciless resolve are designed with it in mind.

    You are correct that it helps get ultimate up and it also can proc elemental drain to manage your resources. It also allows for damage outside of your globals, which is obviously a good thing. Finally, it adds a layer of skill to separate players at endgame.
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    akl77 wrote: »
    Templar dps either stam or magicka are all hopeless. I tried both in top set legendary gears, still lacks to other class average dps.
    So I gave up, Templar can only be good at being a healer, nothing else.
    ZOS designed it so, so we can try other classes on alt character.
    Templar need some serious love.

    AHHHH. Sorry for double, but OMG Wow. Yes, stamplar is probably bottem of the stamina barrel, but Magic Templar is currently the highest DPS in the game on modern trial Fights (VMOL, etc). Their aoe/splash damage is insane and their execute is ridiculously OP (hence the incoming nerf to radiant).

    Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about on that one. Magic Templar is king of trials DPS at the moment.
  • Johngo0036
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    @Hot_spur - I need to really understand some things around your build?

    1) Max Attributes into stamina?
    2) What are your weapon damage and weapon crit stats at?
    3) What skills are you running?
    4) What Mundus are you runnig?
    5) Give me an indication of what your rotation is?

    Unfortunately Stamplar is in need of some serious. They are currently the orphaned sheep of zennimax.
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  • Hot_spur
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    Johngo0036 wrote: »
    @Hot_spur - I need to really understand some things around your build?

    1) Max Attributes into stamina?
    2) What are your weapon damage and weapon crit stats at?
    3) What skills are you running?
    4) What Mundus are you runnig?
    5) Give me an indication of what your rotation is?

    Unfortunately Stamplar is in need of some serious. They are currently the orphaned sheep of zennimax.

    1. 0 magika 16 health 48 stamina
    2. 1718 damage 58.1% critical
    3. Bar 1: Dual Wield - Biting Jabs, Resolving Vigor, Whirling Blades, Shrouded Daggers, Lightweight Beast Trap Ult. is Rend. Bar 2: Bow - Biting Jabs, Resolving Vigor, Magnum Shot, Arrow Barrage, Venom Arrow Ultimate. is Toxic Barrage.
    4. I have 5 pieces of Twice Born Star, so I can run 2 - Thief & Serpent
    5. My typical rotation is Beast Trap, Shrouded Daggers then Biting Jabs. When the buffs from the first two time out, I repeat them. When I'm filling my Ultimate I use light attack, animation canceling, then Whirling Blades, repeat repeat until full. Then I switch bars and use Toxic Barrage. Then refill my ultimate as above.

    I only use the ultimates on bosses. For the trash I just use my typical rotation and jab the *** out of them.

    It's unfortunate I suppose that I chose a stamplar build, but I didn't know any better. I really don't want to start a new toon, then have to repeat the story line.

    I am learning weapon crafting so I can yellow my gear.

    What do you think?
  • OrphanHelgen
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    Stamina templar are totally fine, I can do close to 50k dps in trials with it, and 40k+ on bloodspawn test with limited buffs.

    - First thing is, dont be cheap. Make gear legendary, specially weapons.
    - Then make sure you have a proper rotation. No need for meta builds, you can be creative yourself.
    - Meta builds again are not needed, but the maelstrom bow are alot of free dps due to the power of endless hail, allthough I shouldnt have said this since zos prob will nerf it, but then again they never read my posts anyway so :)
    - Get rid of your magicka pool asap, its not needed. Only place you should self heal, are hardmode vmol, and even there, vigor should be enough combined with deadly cloak. I personal do it without dying with those skills and no additional hp exept from ebon set.
    - Last tip, continue play on your stamina templar, regardless all the *** you get from others, weak patch etc. It will perform, believe me. You wont master dps if you keep relogging and rerolling. You will be able to get to 40k mark, but not above 50k.
    Edited by OrphanHelgen on January 17, 2017 6:31PM
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  • Lashiing
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    any class can do any side well
    you just have to work at it very hard to be succesful
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  • rhymer
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    Hello! Could anyone explain me what I'm doing wrong? I'm a stamina Nightblade, all attributes are in stamina, 6 gold Hunding's rage pieces, 4 viper items (inluding weapons - 2 goblinsbane, purple), 3 purple deadly jewelry pieces, caltrops, shrouded daggers, blood craze, bloodthirst and killer's blade. And I still get 8k-9k DPS even with animation cancelling. Could you help me?
  • jcm2606
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    rhymer wrote: »
    Hello! Could anyone explain me what I'm doing wrong? I'm a stamina Nightblade, all attributes are in stamina, 6 gold Hunding's rage pieces, 4 viper items (inluding weapons - 2 goblinsbane, purple), 3 purple deadly jewelry pieces, caltrops, shrouded daggers, blood craze, bloodthirst and killer's blade. And I still get 8k-9k DPS even with animation cancelling. Could you help me?

    Probably should make a new thread next time, as this thread hasn't been touched in a year. Anyways...

    Your gear setup is a bit wonky. Hunding's is a strong set, especially for beginners, but since set bonuses in ESO cap at 5 pieces, running a 6th piece is useless. Would be more worthwhile running a 5th Viper piece, or even better, run a different 5 piece set, like Spriggan's for the extra penetration. Penetration allows some of your damage to go through your target's resistances, and so is very good at maximising damage. All dungeon and trial bosses have 18.2k physical and spell resistance, so you want to try to aim for 18.2k penetration to maximise the amount of damage going through.

    I'd replace Deadly Strike (I assume you mean Deadly Strike jewelry) with Spriggan's jewelry. Then you can either run Hunding's on chests, arms, legs, and weapons & Spriggan's on jewelry, boots, and belt, or you could run Hunding's on chests, arms, legs, boots, and belt & Spriggan's on jewelry and weapons. Personally I prefer running the first setup, as it is far easier to craft Hunding's weapons than to farm Spriggan's weapons. That leaves your helm and shoulders, which you should populate with monster set pieces. Kra'gh is what I'd recommend starting out with, as it is easy to farm (helm drops in vet Fungal Grotto 1, which is super easy), and is pretty strong, providing more penetration which you'll need early on.

    As you get used to your build, you should look at replacing Spriggan's with Twice Fanged Serpent, as it gives a little more penetration, and so would offer higher damage potential. Twice Fanged is dropped in Sanctum Ophidia, one of the three Craglorn trials, so you'll need a group of 12 to farm it with, but it's not too bad to acquire. Then once you've got Twice Fanged, you could look at replacing Hunding's with either War Machine or Mechanical Acuity. War Machine would be better if you run the Incapacitating Strike ultimate, as War Machine works really well with cheap ultimates, however if you don't, Mechanical Acuity is also a very good set. It is receiving a nerf with Summerset, though, as it will only proc off of direct damage, though Nightblade has a lot of direct damaging abilities, and so uptime would be pretty good with Acuity. You should also look at replacing Kra'gh with Velidreth, if you have Shadows of the Hist, as Velidreth is a much stronger monster set, dealing more damage than Kra'gh, and having much more potential for aoe burst damage. That would then be your final gear setup done.

    As for skills, I'm going to need a more detailed rundown of both bars, and your average rotation. You do have some good abilities there: Caltrops, Blood Craze (though Rending Slashes would be the better morph for damage), Killer's Blade, Shrouded Daggers (if you don't use crafted potions). However other abilities aren't the best to use. Bloodthirst isn't a good skill to run on Stamina Nightblade, as you have Surprise Attack, a much stronger spammable that also applies Major Fracture (increasing your penetration), and you could drop Shrouded Daggers completely if you're only running for the Major Brutality buff, as you can acquire Major Brutality from weapon power potions, alongside Major Savagery.

    I'd also need to know other info, such as your max stamina, your weapon damage, your weapon crit, which Mundus you've chosen, which race you've chosen, etc.

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  • rhymer
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    Max stamina is 27508, weapon damage is 1902, weapon crit is 61.1%, physical penetration is 5761 and the sign is the Shadow. I'm a Khajiit. Thank you for your help!
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