LTO Motifs Now?

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2017

So now not only are they moving into the realm of Crown Store Only Motifs. But the Dro-m'Athra Motif will only be available for 4 days before it disappears. And with the new Crown Crates, we know what happens to items that appear in the store for a limited time.

Im far from a conspiracy theorist. But it looks like one of the fears of crown crates, aside from the ridiculous drop rates, is going to be coming true soon enough. Might want to get it while you can, because its probably going to be marked up from 5500 Crowns. But itll be much cheaper than chasing it in the Crates.

S1ipperyJim · January 2017

This is not a particularly expensive motif in game anyway - more mid range

Valethar · January 2017

You haven't even seen crazy yet.

If you've played SWTOR in the last year, you know what we're going to be seeing here before long. She has a history of making decisions based on greed.

We're not customers. We're a resource that exists to be exploited until the well runs dry.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2017

Valethar wrote: »

You haven't even seen crazy yet.

If you've played SWTOR in the last year, you know what we're going to be seeing here before long. She has a history of making decisions based on greed.

We're not customers. We're a resource that exists to be exploited until the well runs dry.

I quit SWTOR a long while a go. But not before the Cartel Packs. I dont know whats currently going on with that but Im painfully aware of how these Crates impact content creation and how more and more items get sucked into them.

SunfireKnight86 · January 2017

I hope they aren't foolish enough to go the SWTOR route. 90% of new content is cosmetic crap in crates, 5% is 1 new zone, and 5% is new single player quests.

Phinix1 · January 2017

Valethar wrote: »

You haven't even seen crazy yet.

If you've played SWTOR in the last year, you know what we're going to be seeing here before long. She has a history of making decisions based on greed.

We're not customers. We're a resource that exists to be exploited until the well runs dry.

It used to be even with greedy Korean games you could just pay the monthly sub and be guaranteed all the cool stuff. With the direction things have been headed since Casino Crates were rammed through, ZOS looks set to lower the MMO bar to all new levels of shortsighted greed, competing even with the likes of BDO. Now to get even half the stuff you want you have to cough up what? $50-$100 a month in crowns and gambling in the casino?

Now against their promise to never have crafting things in the Crown Store you couldn't get in game they are doing limited time Crown only motifs, and you can't even use them if you keep buying Crown Mimic Stones, like sterile GMO Monsanto seeds you have to keep buying year after year.

Never in 15 years of gaming have I been so disappointed in a company. The direction this company has taken since they brought this new casino crate team on-board represents the absolute worst this industry has to offer, and that's saying something, because this industry has a pretty reprehensible track record.

A cool combat system (though not particularly unique) and the Elder Scrolls name can only carry these tactics so far. It seems however that ZOS is no longer listening. Just like the worst in other industries and governments, they seem only to care about appealing to the whales who will throw hundreds of dollars a month at their casino betrayal of everything they started out representing.

I have no idea why. They started off so strong, so unique, with such a refreshing B2P model that wasn't ramming micro-transactions and pay gating down your throat at every turn. Why change now?

Really disgusted with the "leadership" of this company. It's like watching beautiful relics of history being blown to kingdom come by greed. I doubt we will even get an Elder Scrolls V now. It is a shame because I would drop this travesty in a heartbeat if we did.

Perhaps the real talent remaining will abandon this sinking ship and start their own game based on the integrity and vision that started off as such a promising new direction for MMO's that ESO was for the first years.

They have no one to blame but the people making these decisions against all the outcry of their community.

rakrynaz · January 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

Valethar wrote: »

You haven't even seen crazy yet.

If you've played SWTOR in the last year, you know what we're going to be seeing here before long. She has a history of making decisions based on greed.

We're not customers. We're a resource that exists to be exploited until the well runs dry.

It used to be even with greedy Korean games you could just pay the monthly sub and be guaranteed all the cool stuff. With the direction things have been headed since Casino Crates were rammed through, ZOS looks set to lower the MMO bar to all new levels of shortsighted greed, competing even with the likes of BDO. Now to get even half the stuff you want you have to cough up what? $50-$100 a month in crowns and gambling in the casino?

Now against their promise to never have crafting things in the Crown Store you couldn't get in game they are doing limited time Crown only motifs, and you can't even use them if you keep buying Crown Mimic Stones, like sterile GMO Monsanto seeds you have to keep buying year after year.

Never in 15 years of gaming have I been so disappointed in a company. The direction this company has taken since they brought this new casino crate team on-board represents the absolute worst this industry has to offer, and that's saying something, because this industry has a pretty reprehensible track record.

A cool combat system (though not particularly unique) and the Elder Scrolls name can only carry these tactics so far. It seems however that ZOS is no longer listening. Just like the worst in other industries and governments, they seem only to care about appealing to the whales who will throw hundreds of dollars a month at their casino betrayal of everything they started out representing.

I have no idea why. They started off so strong, so unique, with such a refreshing B2P model that wasn't ramming micro-transactions and pay gating down your throat at every turn. Why change now?

Really disgusted with the "leadership" of this company. It's like watching beautiful relics of history being blown to kingdom come by greed. I doubt we will even get an Elder Scrolls V now. It is a shame because I would drop this travesty in a heartbeat if we did.

Perhaps the real talent remaining will abandon this sinking ship and start their own game based on the integrity and vision that started off as such a promising new direction for MMO's that ESO was for the first years.

They have no one to blame but the people making these decisions against all the outcry of their community.

Let's just hope that they make a U-turn before it's too late!

Greed ruins most things and it'll be the reason humanity gets wiped out. As humans we don't know when to stop.

ZOS will most likely keep greedily squeezing every penny that they can out of the whales before they realise that they've pushed the rest of the community away. By that time not even the whales will want to know as they won't be interested in playing a game that has no playerbase.

Just like other MMOs that have come and gone......People aren't stupid ZOS......There's only so long that people will put up with being fleeced

magnusthorek · January 2017

Draugr and Yokudan are much more expensive

Zinaroth · January 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

They started off so strong, so unique, with such a refreshing P2P model that wasn't ramming micro-transactions and pay gating down your throat at every turn.

Fixed that for you. When they went B2P was when they started going down hill. Compromising with developement ideologies and eventually loosing Paul Sage.

obscure7 · January 2017

It's a bit ironic, that if the game is run as a business with the main purpose to make money, you will lose my business, you will lose my money, and I will say good-bye and not look back.

If you run the game as, well, a *game* with the main purpose of entertainment, then you'll get my business and get my money.

If you run the game as a full-fledged living, breathing, amazing dynamic virtual world, then you'll get my business, you'll get my money, and you'll have my loyalty.

Edit for clarification: A limited time crown store offer for an item available in game isn't a big deal. I just don't want to see stuff disappear from the game and become crown store exclusive.

Sinolai · January 2017

I don't know if you are aware but Dro'm-athra motif drops in game from Maw of Lorkhaj, same as its style material. It can also be sold in guild stores. Most pages cost between 5-10K gold. I doubt this motif will ever come to Crown Crates. Crates are supposed to hand out cosmetic items that are not availiable in game.

Messy1 · January 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

Valethar wrote: »

You haven't even seen crazy yet.

If you've played SWTOR in the last year, you know what we're going to be seeing here before long. She has a history of making decisions based on greed.

We're not customers. We're a resource that exists to be exploited until the well runs dry.

It used to be even with greedy Korean games you could just pay the monthly sub and be guaranteed all the cool stuff. With the direction things have been headed since Casino Crates were rammed through, ZOS looks set to lower the MMO bar to all new levels of shortsighted greed, competing even with the likes of BDO. Now to get even half the stuff you want you have to cough up what? $50-$100 a month in crowns and gambling in the casino?

Now against their promise to never have crafting things in the Crown Store you couldn't get in game they are doing limited time Crown only motifs, and you can't even use them if you keep buying Crown Mimic Stones, like sterile GMO Monsanto seeds you have to keep buying year after year.

Never in 15 years of gaming have I been so disappointed in a company. The direction this company has taken since they brought this new casino crate team on-board represents the absolute worst this industry has to offer, and that's saying something, because this industry has a pretty reprehensible track record.

A cool combat system (though not particularly unique) and the Elder Scrolls name can only carry these tactics so far. It seems however that ZOS is no longer listening. Just like the worst in other industries and governments, they seem only to care about appealing to the whales who will throw hundreds of dollars a month at their casino betrayal of everything they started out representing.

I have no idea why. They started off so strong, so unique, with such a refreshing B2P model that wasn't ramming micro-transactions and pay gating down your throat at every turn. Why change now?

Really disgusted with the "leadership" of this company. It's like watching beautiful relics of history being blown to kingdom come by greed. I doubt we will even get an Elder Scrolls V now. It is a shame because I would drop this travesty in a heartbeat if we did.

Perhaps the real talent remaining will abandon this sinking ship and start their own game based on the integrity and vision that started off as such a promising new direction for MMO's that ESO was for the first years.

They have no one to blame but the people making these decisions against all the outcry of their community.

Reading a post like this makes me agree. It is a bad path. PLAYERS want a fun game and NOT A NEW ADDICTION. Sadly, it's ultimately our fault as players (90%) of us for supporting the greed system. It's easy for players to capitulate under false promises from developers, but harder to leverage change on the devs by the players.

GaldorP · January 2017

Zinaroth wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

They started off so strong, so unique, with such a refreshing P2P model that wasn't ramming micro-transactions and pay gating down your throat at every turn.

Fixed that for you. When they went B2P was when they started going down hill. Compromising with developement ideologies and eventually loosing Paul Sage.

I still blame Microsoft and Sony for having their own mandatory subscription fees to play games online on their consoles. I think that played a big part among other factors that forced ZOS to drop the P2P model.

SanTii.92 · January 2017

Why would you even consider buying the dro matrs motif from the crown store. Seriously

Messy1 · January 2017

GaldorP wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

They started off so strong, so unique, with such a refreshing P2P model that wasn't ramming micro-transactions and pay gating down your throat at every turn.

Fixed that for you. When they went B2P was when they started going down hill. Compromising with developement ideologies and eventually loosing Paul Sage.

I still blame Microsoft and Sony for having their own mandatory subscription fees to play games online on their consoles. I think that played a big part among other factors that forced ZOS to drop the P2P model.

Everyone wants a slice of the pie

Junipus · January 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

So now not only are they moving into the realm of Crown Store Only Motifs. But the Dro-m'Athra Motif will only be available for 4 days before it disappears. And with the new Crown Crates, we know what happens to items that appear in the store for a limited time.

Im far from a conspiracy theorist. But it looks like one of the fears of crown crates, aside from the ridiculous drop rates, is going to be coming true soon enough. Might want to get it while you can, because its probably going to be marked up from 5500 Crowns. But itll be much cheaper than chasing it in the Crates.

Source?

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

Draugr and Yokudan are much more expensive

WTF does that have to do with anything?

Kodrac · January 2017

Meh. Motifs are useless in the new set bonus meta anyway.

Kodrac · January 2017

Junipus wrote: »

Source?

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Source?

Actually its in the Crown Store Showcase. But sure, Im just making it up...

azoriangaming · January 2017

i've given up with motifs now after a break it's just too much to catch up on or spend 1 million crowns on getting them

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2017

obscure7 wrote: »

It's a bit ironic, that if the game is run as a business with the main purpose to make money, you will lose my business, you will lose my money, and I will say good-bye and not look back.

If you run the game as, well, a *game* with the main purpose of entertainment, then you'll get my business and get my money.

If you run the game as a full-fledged living, breathing, amazing dynamic virtual world, then you'll get my business, you'll get my money, and you'll have my loyalty.

Edit for clarification: A limited time crown store offer for an item available in game isn't a big deal. I just don't want to see stuff disappear from the game and become crown store exclusive.

Youre missing the point about the post. Its not about something being in the Crown Store. Its about it becoming LTO and that ZOS has made it known they will eventually put former LTOs in their Crates.

Kodrac · January 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Actually its in the Crown Store Showcase. But sure, Im just making it up...

Yes I saw it too. Every motif eventually comes to the crown store. This one just happens to be limited time. Whoopity doo! Oh look another useless motif! The tinfoil was in reference to your conspiracy theory. about price increases and motifs in crates.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Actually its in the Crown Store Showcase. But sure, Im just making it up...

Yes I saw it too. Every motif eventually comes to the crown store. This one just happens to be limited time. Whoopity doo! Oh look another useless motif! The tinfoil was in reference to your conspiracy theory. about price increases and motifs in crates.

A bland Elk Mount - 4500 Crowns, 500 Crowns more than the Flashy Dro-m'Athra Mount which was 1500 crowns more than any of the typical LTO mounts.

We now have Crown Store exclusive Motifs that cant be obtained in game and dont have in-game Style Materials.

And now we have an LTO Motif.

ZOS has made it crystal clear the things they intend to place in the Crates along with Apex rewards and other exclusive items are former LTOs. At the time of the announcement there was no such thing as an LTO Motif. But its not like they were unaware of this coming.

Not really hard to connect the dots and see where this is all going. And what to expect when it shows up in the actual store or where itll show up once its removed from the store. You might not care about this at all, thats fine...But to come in here and comment says otherwise. Unless youre looking for an argument or just trolling. Take your pick.

Kodrac · January 2017

This is just another useless whine thread. Countering conspiracy theories is trolling now? I could say whine threads are trolling but I wouldn't do that. I'm not one of those "you have a different opinion than me that makes you a troll" types.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2017

It's a business. A business with employees who make salaries and probably have health care. Nothing has ever been put into the crown store or crates that is necessary to advance in this game. It's all just fluff stuff that you do not need.

The day they put The Legendary Staff of Supremo Newb Melting in the store, you'll all have a point. Until then most of you are either jealous of people with cool looking stuff or complaining just to complain.

Junipus · January 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

obscure7 wrote: »

It's a bit ironic, that if the game is run as a business with the main purpose to make money, you will lose my business, you will lose my money, and I will say good-bye and not look back.

If you run the game as, well, a *game* with the main purpose of entertainment, then you'll get my business and get my money.

If you run the game as a full-fledged living, breathing, amazing dynamic virtual world, then you'll get my business, you'll get my money, and you'll have my loyalty.

Edit for clarification: A limited time crown store offer for an item available in game isn't a big deal. I just don't want to see stuff disappear from the game and become crown store exclusive.

Youre missing the point about the post. Its not about something being in the Crown Store. Its about it becoming LTO and that ZOS has made it known they will eventually put former LTOs in their Crates.

So it's only in the Crown Store for a limited time but still remains in the game and available to be farmed or purchased from the guild stores?

If this is on the PTS Crown Store then be aware that not everyone has it and would be aware of such a thing. If it's on the Live Crown Store then all it would indicate is giving something available in game a value in Crowns without removing it from the game, something that's been happening in the Crown Store for years.

idk · January 2017

@Korah_Eaglecry the motifs on the crown store are available in game. I don't see why anyone would buy those motifs from the crown store.

Reverb · January 2017

I've got no problem with farmable motifs being limited crown store offerings on a recurring, short time basis. I've got a lot of complaints about Zeni's decisions, but this is not one of them.

Abeille · January 2017

At least it is available in game too.

I do not want them to add Crate exclusive motifs in the future, though. If they put the Stalhrim and the Grim Harlequin motifs in the crates, I still wouldn't consider that to be too awful... As long as they are put in crates that do not overlap their respective festivals and bring them back for direct purchase during the festivals every year.

Milvan · January 2017

2017 already and people still going bananas and making crazy assumptions because of the crown crates.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

It's a business. A business with employees who make salaries and probably have health care. Nothing has ever been put into the crown store or crates that is necessary to advance in this game. It's all just fluff stuff that you do not need.

The day they put The Legendary Staff of Supremo Newb Melting in the store, you'll all have a point. Until then most of you are either jealous of people with cool looking stuff or complaining just to complain.

+1 for this comrade for trying to keep the sanity of this thread.