Moarmer as a playable race?

Pixel_Zealot · January 2017

I've been thinking about it since I met the Maormer in Kenarthi's Roost. We all know the Sea Vipers and Ambassador Ulondil, among other NPCs. So we have the race, it's just not currently playable.

I thought this would be an amazing DLC. Where you can unlock the Moarmer race and start on Pyandonea. I find this race intriguing as their culture, origin and possibilities in ESO are exciting.

Just a little background regarding the Maormer. They are likely descended from the Aldmeri. It is believed the Moarmer king, Orgnum, rebelled against the Aldmeri. Orgnum and his followers were exiled to Pyandonea(The Veil of Mist) and thus became the Moarmer(Sea Elves). Orgnum is now not just they're immortal king, but said to be the Serpent God of Satakal. The Maormer practice a powerful form of snake magic and can control sea serpents as mounts and pets.

As they are seen as the Mer-Elves, they can be the first race to use their mounts (Sea Serpents) on water.

I believe ESO is currently in between the second and third era, so the Second Aldmeri Dominion has made allies with the Moarmer, but they still have the Sea Vipers attacking Altmer coastlines. Imaging you can join the fight to conquer Summerset. Regarding faction, like the Imperials they have to be independent.

Penny for your thoughts?

Seratopia · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

I'd play as a sea elf. I cant ssy anything regarding lore as I'm still learning but I can see this game eventually adding in more races or classes as the years go on. If it fits lore of course and it seems from your post, that sea elves do so why not. I'd happily make my altmer a moarmer.

I dont know their naming traditions but Seratopia seems more moarmer to me being they are tropical elves and all. I support this.

Pixel_Zealot · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

@Seratopia Right? Unfortunately Zos have more important things to focus on now like Vvardenfell. Would be cool in a few years though before we move to the third era.

TheShadowScout · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Moarmer as a playable race?

It would make a pretty easily doable crown store race, just like Imperials. They have their visals, and crafting style, and lore and everything. So, who knows... maybe someday the people at ZOS will decide to make it so.

However, you will never be able to "start on Pyandonea"... that would just either mess with the storylines, or take way too much work to not mess with them. Just like imperial do not start in cyrodil... Instead you will escape coldharbour just like any other vestige, and end up in one of the three alliances. And occasionally having to fight your cousins, who consider you a "traitor" for joining with the groundwalkers... just like imperial characters sometimes have to fight against their imperial peers who consider them traitors for joining with one of the three alliances instead staying loyal to the empire even when it crumbles into deadric cults...

There could be a Pyandonea DLC sometime though - where everyone gets to swim with the sea elves, so to speak...

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

I believe ESO is currently in between the second and third era, so the Second Aldmeri Dominion has made allies with the Moarmer, but they still have the Sea Vipers attacking Altmer coastlines...

You believe wrongly.
ESO is set right in the middle of the second era, this is the first aldmeri dominion, founded only a few years before the events of ESO, which is sort of hostile to the maormer at the moment... not quite war, more like... raiding and border skirmishes as the balance of power shifts to a new equilibrium and the maromer raiders test the waters, so to speak, to see what the new dominion is made of, and if they can take a bite out of it in the confusion of its formation.

And Imperials are NOT indipendent. They are suffering from a crumbling of the empire thanks to emperor Varen listening to Mannimarco, and are beset by the worm cult having, well, wormed their way into ranks of power, thus half the remaining imperials are under worm cult yoke, and the rest have kinda broken off and are doing their own thing, all dreaming of one day restoring the empire to its former glory (hint - wont happen for a few more centuries). Any PC imperial is an vestige from coldharbour, joining one of the three alliances because that's where they ended up after their escape, and occasionally fighting other imperials who consider them traitors, but they consider traitors right back for kowtowing to the worm cultists or some would-be-warlord...

Cyrediath · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Also snow elves and more!

EnemyOfDaState · January 2017

I'm a firm believer that if a race hasn't been playable in one of the Elder Scrolls main games it isn't going to be in ESO.

Pixel_Zealot · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

@TheShadowScout

However, you will never be able to "start on Pyandonea"... that would just either mess with the storylines, or take way too much work to not mess with them. Just like imperial do not start in cyrodil... Instead you will escape coldharbour just like any other vestige, and end up in one of the three alliances. And occasionally having to fight your cousins, who consider you a "traitor" for joining with the groundwalkers... just like imperial characters sometimes have to fight against their imperial peers who consider them traitors for joining with one of the three alliances instead staying loyal to the empire even when it crumbles into deadric cults...

There could be a Pyandonea DLC sometime though - where everyone gets to swim with the sea elves, so to speak...

I understand. Even if Pyandonea is released with the race, it leaves a troublesome question: where does that place the vestige, makes sense to me. I like the idea of ending up in one of the three alliances as if you're Aldmeri, then you'd be a traitor fighting your cousins, and being Daggerfall or Ebonheart, you'd still be fighting the Aldmeri.

ESO is set right in the middle of the second era, this is the first aldmeri dominion, founded only a few years before the events of ESO, which is sort of hostile to the maormer at the moment... not quite war, more like... raiding and border skirmishes as the balance of power shifts to a new equilibrium and the maromer raiders test the waters, so to speak, to see what the new dominion is made of, and if they can take a bite out of it in the confusion of its formation.

Oh, I was under the impression that the Dominion and Moarmer had some kind of a treaty or at least trying to sort one out (with ambassador Ulondil being in Kenarthi's Roost)

TheShadowScout · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Cyrediath wrote: »

Also snow elves and more!

Snow elves have been sort of extinct for a very, very long time. or rather, mostly mutated into blind underground Falmer as we know them from TES:Skyrim thanks to the betrayal of the Dwemer... so... nope on them. Same for the other elven subraces... no Chimer (all turned dunmer except sort of the tribunal) no Dwemer (all vanished save one NPC), no sinistral elves (all killed by the ra'gada and the survivors absorbed into the Ayleids), no Ayleids (fallen in the wake of the alessian rebellion, you meet the last one during the story).

There are still a few races they could also do as crown store race. Goblins and Reachmen are in the game (though latter could be argued to be just bretons... but then, they could also be argued to be slightly different so... up to the powers that be)... maybe Imga (though those have been absent from the game, and thus would reuire more work)... possibly even a few "lone survivors" from the Kothringi and Lilmothiit... and perhaps even Akaviri races...

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Oh, I was under the impression that the Dominion and Moarmer had some kind of a treaty or at least trying to sort one out (with ambassador Ulondil being in Kenarthi's Roost)

The Maormer had a treaty with Kenarthi's Roost. The Dominion was there to bring the Khajiit of that isle into the dominion, which worried the Maromer, thus the events of that questline as their reaction...
Its all in the shift of power. Before, the Maormer faced three seperate kingdoms - The Altmer of the Sumerset Isles, who were seen as equals/rivals as they had the second strongest navy in these waters; the Bosmer of valenwood, who had no navy anyhow (no surprise, what would they build a navy with, green pact and all), and the Khajiit of Elsweyr, who had mostly merchantships. And suddenly... these three band together. And now the once equal/rival Altmer have the bosmer and khajiit backing them... the maormer are worried they migth go and forcibly add them to the Dominion, and are too proud to join as "lesser partner", so they are looking to create buffer zoned by conquering isles like K.R. - and they try to break apart the still fragile dominion by raiding auridion, and working with the veiled heritage... as you see in the AD questlines.

I kinda like how these things make such nice sense in the TES games...

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

I'm not interested but if it makes you happy I hope you get it .

Pixel_Zealot · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

The Maormer had a treaty with Kenarthi's Roost. The Dominion was there to bring the Khajiit of that isle into the dominion, which worried the Maromer, thus the events of that questline as their reaction...
Its all in the shift of power. Before, the Maormer faced three seperate kingdoms - The Altmer of the Sumerset Isles, who were seen as equals/rivals as they had the second strongest navy in these waters; the Bosmer of valenwood, who had no navy anyhow (no surprise, what would they build a navy with, green pact and all), and the Khajiit of Elsweyr, who had mostly merchantships. And suddenly... these three band together. And now the once equal/rival Altmer have the bosmer and khajiit backing them... the maormer are worried they migth go and forcibly add them to the Dominion, and are too proud to join as "lesser partner", so they are looking to create buffer zoned by conquering isles like K.R. - and they try to break apart the still fragile dominion by raiding auridion, and working with the veiled heritage... as you see in the AD questlines.
I kinda like how these things make such nice sense in the TES games...

Oh I see, we're in the Three Banners War in 2nd Era. The treaty was made in 582 over KR. Later on before the third Era the Second Dominion will make allies with the Maormer but then allow Colovia to take out the Moarmer outposts in the Western Coast.

I agree, everything just falls into place in the lore, I just love how tense it gets. I just hope we get to be a part of that happening before we move onto the Third Era and lose them.

Konstant_Tel_Necris · January 2017

Wasn't they are Maormer in Lore? Or OP just wants moar elves in game?

JD2013 · January 2017

Don't we have enough elf races?

Altmer
Dunmer
Bosmer

Even Bretons have Mer blood ....

Pixel_Zealot · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Konstant_Tel_Necris wrote: »

Was they was Maormer in Lore? Or OP just wants moar elves in game?

Yes the Moarmer are in the Lore. The sea vipers and several other NPCs in Khenarthi's Roost are Moarmer.

These guys:
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TheShadowScout · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Oh I see, we're in the Three Banners War in 2nd Era...

Yup.
Soulburst - 2E, 578
Dominion formed - 2E, 580
-three banners war begins-
Events of ESO mainstory & Craglorn - 2E, 582
Events of Orsinium, TG & DB - 2E, 583
...
Second Dominion - 2E, 830
Long after our ESO time...

JD2013 wrote: »

Don't we have enough elf races?

Nevah!

Mwnci · January 2017

No, Moarmer should stay on Pyandonea where they belong.

Another Mer race?
Pass.

Akaviri, maybe?
Can't use Dragons or Kamal.
We already have a cat race, so the Ka Po' Tun would just be a derivative of them.
Which leaves the Tang Mo ( monkey-people ) and the Tsaesci ( vampiric snakes ).

I vote on monkey people.

Asardes · January 2017

No, Moarmer should stay on Pyandonea where they belong.

Except the white eyes - didn't understand that feature, since IRL cataracts leave people blind - the Maormer are very similar to Altmer both physically and culturally, talent-wise. They are tall, pointy eared, they use magic, preferentially lightning - Altmer passives cover that too. So you can simply make an Altmer character, dress them in Ancient Elf style gear and pretend he's Maormer even now.

nil101 · January 2017

Other (please specify in comments).

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Konstant_Tel_Necris · January 2017

Asardes wrote: »

Except the white eyes - didn't understand that feature, since IRL cataracts leave people blind - the Maormer are very similar to Altmer both physically and culturally, talent-wise. They are tall, pointy eared, they use magic, preferentially lightning - Altmer passives cover that too. So you can simply make an Altmer character, dress them in Ancient Elf style gear and pretend he's Maormer even now.

In Lore Maormer have chameleon skin
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Wolf_Queen,_v4

Birdovic · January 2017

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Absolutely not, in ESO at least.

But I mentioned a possibility for a future TES (TES6?) Game already, which lets say plays in the next Era and where the Maormer managed to conquer a part of the sunmerset isles, and established colonies or something.

Abeille · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

I hate their guts, but if there is one race that I can see become playable eventually is the Maormer.

But I think it will only happen if it happens in the single player games first.

TheShadowScout · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Mwnci wrote: »

Another Mer race?
Pass.

Yeah, we have quite a few of them. But the point is - little extra work on behalf of ZOS, since they are Already in the game! Little investment, and earning them profit... thus greater chance to get made then something they'd have to invest more in, right? Even if only to test the waters, see if enough people would buy those extra races (and I know I would)

And of course, same goes for Gobbos and Reachmen. Even if some say the latter are merely breton barbarians... they could be done a little differently, due to the reach being located in more skyrim-ish climates... half breton passibes, some nord or orc...

Mwnci wrote: »

Akaviri, maybe?
Can't use Dragons or Kamal.
We already have a cat race, so the Ka Po' Tun would just be a derivative of them.
Which leaves the Tang Mo ( monkey-people ) and the Tsaesci ( vampiric snakes ).

I vote on monkey people.

I'd love to see Tsaesci - especially since they obviously were the main force in the pact invasion ten years before ESO from the little things we pick up in the questlines, iten descriptions and such... though I am not so certain how they would translate into ESO. I mean... legs or snake-tail? The lore generally seems to support snaketail... but if snaketail, then no leg and feet armor??? Or convert the leg armor to snaketail plates, and the feet armor to a tail spike? Or maybe have two "castes", ohne snaketailed and remaining NPC stuff, one more humanoid and optional for players?
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As for Tang Mo... definitely something I'd also want in ESO, but then, to get the full "Sun Wukong" feeling, they had better also add polearms!

Like... https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/259011/additional-weapon-skill-ideas/p1

Asardes wrote: »

Except the white eyes - didn't understand that feature...

I always thought that an Nictitating Membrane kind of effect...

Asardes wrote: »

...the Maormer are very similar to Altmer both physically and culturally, talent-wise. They are tall, pointy eared, they use magic, preferentially lightning - Altmer passives cover that too. So you can simply make an Altmer character, dress them in Ancient Elf style gear and pretend he's Maormer even now.

Altmer have golden-ish skin, Maormer are more silvers... white eyes due to the membrane... and likely some passive shift, giving up some of the magica adaptation for some sea adaptation stuff (they might swim as fast as argonians!)

Sure, the races are cousins. But then, in some way, so are all the other elven races of Tamriel, and there is quite a bit of difference between altmer, bosmer and dunmer... so...

Birdovic · January 2017

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JD2013 wrote: »

Don't we have enough elf races?

Altmer
Dunmer
Bosmer

Even Bretons have Mer blood ....

Don't forget Orsimer

WhiteCoatSyndrome · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

There are lots of them and we know they exist during this time period; there's no reason we couldn't have them.

itehache · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Always ready for new races

(And yes, I played other ES games and I am well aware the maormers are not a playable race in old games, but they are indeed a race in Tamriel, so why not?)

Pixel_Zealot · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Birdovic wrote: »

Absolutely not, in ESO at least.

But I mentioned a possibility for a future TES (TES6?) Game already, which lets say plays in the next Era and where the Maormer managed to conquer a part of the sunmerset isles, and established colonies or something.

@Birdovic

That would be against the lore. In the 3E, their fleet was annihilated hard enough to never recover by the Psijic of Artaeum.

Birdovic · January 2017

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Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Birdovic wrote: »

Absolutely not, in ESO at least.

But I mentioned a possibility for a future TES (TES6?) Game already, which lets say plays in the next Era and where the Maormer managed to conquer a part of the sunmerset isles, and established colonies or something.

@Birdovic

That would be against the lore. In the 3E, their fleet was annihilated hard enough to never recover by the Psijic of Artaeum.

@Pixel_Zealot

Yea true, but we don't know how much time will have passed between that event and the 6th era.
Who knows, maybe almost 3000 years like the first era? Maybe they don't need a huge armada and resort to new tactics like causing civil war or something? Maybe they manage to summon another huge snake / use some powerful artifact?

You see, the options are endless

And I really doubt they just "disappear" forever due to the event in the 3rd era, there is still so much to find our about them.

Abeille · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Birdovic wrote: »

Absolutely not, in ESO at least.

But I mentioned a possibility for a future TES (TES6?) Game already, which lets say plays in the next Era and where the Maormer managed to conquer a part of the sunmerset isles, and established colonies or something.

@Birdovic

That would be against the lore. In the 3E, their fleet was annihilated hard enough to never recover by the Psijic of Artaeum.

"To never recover" to date. It doesn't mean that, after a few centuries, they couldn't recover enough to take part of the Summerset Isles. Especially considering that, on the 4th Era, the Dominion is busy attacking their own citizens and the rest of Tamriel. I can see the Maormer conquering smaller isles of the archipelago. Keep in mind that the Thalmor are hunting down and killing the young Altmer that oppose them, and a land divided and in the brink of civil war is easier to invade, like the Dominion itself knows.

aslan06 · January 2017

Other (please specify in comments).

Not in ESO,but if TES-6 going to be set on south part of tamriel they could add them as playable race.

ShadowHvo · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Imagine if they released an Elder Scrolls Game set between Summerset and Pyandonea, then I definitely believe Maomer and possibly Pyandonea too would be released as a DLC, or even Expansion.

It would definitely be good marketing... Ohgod, imagine if they introduced sailing too, oh the dreams xD

FluffyReachWitch · January 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Sounds reasonable to me. A region of Pyandonea might be tricky, but the Maormer at least could work. With the pre-order or crown store you can be anyone in any alliance already. (The Dominion in particular even grants amnesty to pirates and people from enemy factions.) So it's not unlikely that somewhere out there are Maormer who jumped ship on the Pyandonean forces, and the Vestige could be one of them.

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

No, Moarmer should stay on Pyandonea where they belong.

IMO they've gone too long to add a new race.

Perhaps with the next name change

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