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Why do people feel "Entitled" to partcipate in vet dungeons when they don't know the mechanics?
raidentenshu_ESO
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I admit that I tried to pug my way way into completing my undaunted pledges because nobody was on when I was on, and nobody from my guilds wanted to do pledges so I was forced to PUG.
Imperial City Prison - VET. Yes I know. I kinda did this to myself, but It went pretty good thus far. We manage to get pass the first boss (which is the first indicator to determine if I'm in a competent group or not) without a single wipe. We struggled a couple of times with the Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor, but we manage to get past him. Then comes the Flesh Abomination. Now a couple of players in my group didn't even know the mechanics, and we kept wiping... I'm sitting here thinking.... Why did they even participate in vet when they didn't even know the mechanics? Wouldn't it be a good idea to take baby steps? To start on normal and then work your way up to vet? Sounds like a good idea to me
Eventually we defeat the boss. The Gravelight Sentry boss came next.... again those same players didn't even know the mechanics of the boss, and like the flesh Abomination we kept wiping. We wand up defeating him after a few dozen wipes.
The last boss.... YIKES! Wipe after wipe.... and more wipes... It got to the point where I could no longer take it, and then ported back to the wayshrine and then got the hell out before I lose all sense of reality, and punch my monitor out of extreme frustration.
Should I talk about COA2 attempt? Of course.... my PUG group couldn't even get past the first mini bosss that idles near the portal. I left that group almost immediately because nobody was rezzing.
My third attempt to do my pledges.... BC2.... Tank was not strong enough to sustain 3 daedroths... kept dying. He kept bringing them over to the boss when he was told not to do it. Healer refuses to throw shards and blue balls and kept DPSing the boss with jesus beam and heavy attacks from restro staff even when requested such skill to be passed around several times.
I swear... playing this game feels like I'm trapped in a Mels brooks movie.... especially High Anxiety.
Imperial City Prison - VET. Yes I know. I kinda did this to myself, but It went pretty good thus far. We manage to get pass the first boss (which is the first indicator to determine if I'm in a competent group or not) without a single wipe. We struggled a couple of times with the Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor, but we manage to get past him. Then comes the Flesh Abomination. Now a couple of players in my group didn't even know the mechanics, and we kept wiping... I'm sitting here thinking.... Why did they even participate in vet when they didn't even know the mechanics? Wouldn't it be a good idea to take baby steps? To start on normal and then work your way up to vet? Sounds like a good idea to me
Eventually we defeat the boss. The Gravelight Sentry boss came next.... again those same players didn't even know the mechanics of the boss, and like the flesh Abomination we kept wiping. We wand up defeating him after a few dozen wipes.The last boss.... YIKES! Wipe after wipe.... and more wipes... It got to the point where I could no longer take it, and then ported back to the wayshrine and then got the hell out before I lose all sense of reality, and punch my monitor out of extreme frustration.
Should I talk about COA2 attempt? Of course.... my PUG group couldn't even get past the first mini bosss that idles near the portal. I left that group almost immediately because nobody was rezzing.
My third attempt to do my pledges.... BC2.... Tank was not strong enough to sustain 3 daedroths... kept dying. He kept bringing them over to the boss when he was told not to do it. Healer refuses to throw shards and blue balls and kept DPSing the boss with jesus beam and heavy attacks from restro staff even when requested such skill to be passed around several times.
I swear... playing this game feels like I'm trapped in a Mels brooks movie.... especially High Anxiety.
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AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did you explain the mechanics to them?
I never really paid attention to the Flesh Abomination mechanics in normal, so your "baby steps" don't actually work there. Same with the last boss. in normal, I just heal through his blast rather than jump through the portals. So that's no practice for Vet either.
The only way you learn the mechanics for Vet is by doing it in vet.The Moot Councillor44 -
Junipus✭✭✭✭✭There's two elements to this farce:
- Lack of knowledge
- Lack of skill
The former you claim to be all about when you're actually railing against the latter.
Might want to clarify if it's not another PUG insult thread masquerading as something else.The Legendary Nothing2 -
raidentenshu_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Did you explain the mechanics to them?
I never really paid attention to the Flesh Abomination mechanics in normal, so your "baby steps" don't actually work there. Same with the last boss. in normal, I just heal through his blast rather than jump through the portals. So that's no practice for Vet either.
The only way you learn the mechanics for Vet is by doing it in vet.
Why should I waste my time explaining the mechanics in a vet dungeon run? Players should already know them by now. If they don't why would they join a vet dungeon run in the first place? Start with normal first, and then work your way up to vet.1 -
Stridig✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm curious as to why people feel entitled to kick others from a group when they used group finder. If they are so good why did they need to use group finder in the first place.Enemy to many
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Sinthrax✭✭✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Did you explain the mechanics to them?
I never really paid attention to the Flesh Abomination mechanics in normal, so your "baby steps" don't actually work there. Same with the last boss. in normal, I just heal through his blast rather than jump through the portals. So that's no practice for Vet either.
The only way you learn the mechanics for Vet is by doing it in vet.
Why should I waste my time explaining the mechanics in a vet dungeon run? Players should already know them by now. If they don't why would they join a vet dungeon run in the first place? Start with normal first, and then work your way up to vet.
Best way to cure this for yourself is dont queue for Vets. Don't blame others for your own faults. If you dont want to help then don't show up.Edited by Sinthrax on December 30, 2016 10:56PM30 -
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✭When I don't have the patience to teach new players or wipe over and over again until we learn by 'doing', I just form a group myself with people that I trust know the dungeons and are skillful.
If I pug, I suck it up. If I get a bad group, I'll make a judgment call whether to leave or stay depending on how engaged the other players are.
I don't think entitled is a good way to describe these players.
Surely the knowledge to run dungeons didn't just magically manifest within you. Somebody had to teach you at one point or another. Even if you watched videos, there was always a first time or first few times where you were learning by 'doing.'13 -
Libonotus✭✭✭✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Did you explain the mechanics to them?
I never really paid attention to the Flesh Abomination mechanics in normal, so your "baby steps" don't actually work there. Same with the last boss. in normal, I just heal through his blast rather than jump through the portals. So that's no practice for Vet either.
The only way you learn the mechanics for Vet is by doing it in vet.
Why should I waste my time explaining the mechanics in a vet dungeon run? Players should already know them by now. If they don't why would they join a vet dungeon run in the first place? Start with normal first, and then work your way up to vet.
Your posts reek of pretentious elitism
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Pandorii✭✭✭✭✭
✭Also, from a new player standpoint, they don't know that ICP, WGT, and the two SotH dungeons are higher skill requiring. They only know that group finder will put them in those dungeons pre-max CP because they own the DLCs.
I would blame the system before I'd blame the 'entitled' players.18 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How do you think the first players trying the dungeons for the first time learn the mechanics? YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW THEM BEFOREHAND. Sure, there are walkthroughs but the people who made those learnt it themselves by experience of trial and error. And if you do by just following the walkthroughs, that makes a faker and a wannabe good player at best. If you are PuGing, you have two options. You can be fine with the fact you may not have a fairytale run where you blitz through everything. Either that or be confident enough to the point that the players being in the group are a mere formality and just there for anti-solo mechanics, while you do all the work yourself.Edited by susmitds on December 31, 2016 4:58AM9 -
JasonSilverSpring✭✭✭✭✭Maybe they queued for vet dungeons because when you get level 50 the game actually tells you that they are now available to you. Maybe that should change or perhaps the vet version should only be available after finishing it on normal.
But to call people entitled for doing something the game encourages is odd.
It is threads like this that keep me away from the group finder.20 -
raidentenshu_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Did you explain the mechanics to them?
I never really paid attention to the Flesh Abomination mechanics in normal, so your "baby steps" don't actually work there. Same with the last boss. in normal, I just heal through his blast rather than jump through the portals. So that's no practice for Vet either.
The only way you learn the mechanics for Vet is by doing it in vet.
Why should I waste my time explaining the mechanics in a vet dungeon run? Players should already know them by now. If they don't why would they join a vet dungeon run in the first place? Start with normal first, and then work your way up to vet.
Your posts reek of pretentious elitism
So asking new players to start normal first (to get to know the mechanics of each bosses) and then work your way up to vet is an act of elitism?0 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You can solo warden easy enough....you let the group down...you shouldn't run Vet prison either. L2pPC Master Race
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✭✭By the way all but COA2 was not gathered through the group finder. It was collected through the zone chat wanting to do pledges.0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Did you explain the mechanics to them?
I never really paid attention to the Flesh Abomination mechanics in normal, so your "baby steps" don't actually work there. Same with the last boss. in normal, I just heal through his blast rather than jump through the portals. So that's no practice for Vet either.
The only way you learn the mechanics for Vet is by doing it in vet.
Why should I waste my time explaining the mechanics in a vet dungeon run? Players should already know them by now. If they don't why would they join a vet dungeon run in the first place? Start with normal first, and then work your way up to vet.
Your posts reek of pretentious elitism
So asking new players to start normal first (to get to know the mechanics of each bosses) and then work your way up to vet is an act of elitism?
Many of the complicated mechanics are not there in normal or can simply be ignored. Hence, people don't even understand what the mechanics are.19 -
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✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »You can solo warden easy enough....you let the group down...you shouldn't run Vet prison either. L2p
If your current build is setup for it, yes. It would be easy. Unfortunately my current setups are builds for group content.... vet trials.... where you need to heavily rely on healers and tanks to do their jobs.Edited by raidentenshu_ESO on December 30, 2016 11:08PM0 -
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✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »You can solo warden easy enough....you let the group down...you shouldn't run Vet prison either. L2p
If your current build is setup for it, yes. It would be easy. Unfortunately my current setups are builds for group content.... vet trials.
Exactly....any high dps build can take warden solo. That's a poor excuse. If you can't take a vet boss like warden wearing a trial set up then...well....l2p.
Let me guess a quick ground toon with no self heal at all or no shield.PC Master Race
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Stridig✭✭✭✭✭
✭Best thing you can do is:
A) Don't be a jerk
Teach people who are willing to learn
C) have fun
If you do these things, you are less likely to face the "horror" of having a newer player in the group because more people will be better informed. Or just ask guildies to run it with you.Enemy to many
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✭✭✭Maybe because they paid for the game exactly like you and others did? Zero in the terms of service or whatever they're called that state anyone has to explain themselves to you or anyone, regardless of how you want to dress things up. I'll be sure to ask your permission if I can play Dragon Age when the need arises. Thanks.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »You can solo warden easy enough....you let the group down...you shouldn't run Vet prison either. L2p
If your current build is setup for it, yes. It would be easy. Unfortunately my current setups are builds for group content.... vet trials.
Exactly....any high dps build can take warden solo. That's a poor excuse. If you can't take a vet boss like warden wearing a trial set up then...well....l2p.
Let me guess a quick ground toon with no self heal at all or no shield.
Actually that depends on class. For example, StamNBs are too squishy and Vigor won't outheal the incoming damage without Major Mending.0 -
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✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Did you explain the mechanics to them?
I never really paid attention to the Flesh Abomination mechanics in normal, so your "baby steps" don't actually work there. Same with the last boss. in normal, I just heal through his blast rather than jump through the portals. So that's no practice for Vet either.
The only way you learn the mechanics for Vet is by doing it in vet.
Why should I waste my time explaining the mechanics in a vet dungeon run? Players should already know them by now. If they don't why would they join a vet dungeon run in the first place? Start with normal first, and then work your way up to vet.
Maybe because someone had to explain them to you once, or maybe to not be an a$$. As an aside vet mechanics are different in some cases so yeah there is that as well.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Not a matter of feeling entitled. Most the time as you mentioned the problem is not knowing the mechanics. I am lucky in that I am a member of some really good guilds that will take the time to teach the mechanics and we use teamspeak or discord when running so that really helps.
Watching videos or having someone describe the mechanics really doesn't help much when trying new content. The way you learn the mechanics is you go in and you die. You then figure out why you died and make changes. Sometimes you die a lot. Eventually things click and you get past the boss and on to the next fight.
First time through there is a good chance you will not finish. Next attempt if you learned anything you make it farther until eventually you finish the dungeon. 2nd time through is much easier than first time through. Some dungeons even if you know the mechanics a lack of DPS will prevent finishing, but most a lack of DPS just means it takes longer if people know what they are supposed to do.
Part of the problem is the normal versions of many dungeons you can just burn through without paying attention to mechanics if you have either one top DPS or a first class healer. A good number of people running normal are just looking for a quick run for gear or experience and are planning to just blaze through. An inexperienced player that gets in one of these groups might think well hell this is easy I am ready for vet.
When I am in normal dungeons with a new player a lot of times when I try and take time to explain the fight another experienced player will say we don't need to worry about that quit wasting time and lets do this. So mechanics are not getting learned. The first time in vet is when many new players learn hey just standing here spamming a skill ain't gonna cut it.
I can tolerate the players that don't know the mechanics but are willing to take the time to learn. The only player other than ones that go offline that I voted yes to kick was a tank that wouldn't listen to the group explain what he needed to taunt. It was the fight where you gotta keep the four wraiths? up and alive before whomping the guy with the sword. He kept dragging the adds over to the boss. We wiped twice on purpose and tried to tell him we were going for two keys so he couldn't bring those adds over. He had to lead them away from us. The sad thing is he could have easily done it as he was able to taunt them and drag them to the boss. He just didn't want to for some reason. We finally finished and he commented about how easy that fight was (his first time in). I said yeah because we didn't do it on hard mode and only get one key. He said you are high enough level (leaving out the curse words) you don't need two keys you should have the gear you want. We were planning on doing another pledge with the group but kicked him and tried to find another tank.
Anyway now that I rambled on forever I always assume when I use group finder I am not going to finish the dungeon and will have to go slow and explain things. I am often surprised and we get a smooth run, but it doesn't irritate me when we do fail.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."3 -
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✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »You can solo warden easy enough....you let the group down...you shouldn't run Vet prison either. L2p
If your current build is setup for it, yes. It would be easy. Unfortunately my current setups are builds for group content.... vet trials.
Exactly....any high dps build can take warden solo. That's a poor excuse. If you can't take a vet boss like warden wearing a trial set up then...well....l2p.
Let me guess a quick ground toon with no self heal at all or no shield.
Actually that depends on class. For example, StamNBs are too squishy and Vigor won't outheal the incoming damage without Major Mending.
Veil + vigor and that awesome thing known as block (granted 99% of dps don't know what this is) blocks wardens machine gun attack perfectly fine...there is more to surviving that spamming vigor over and over.PC Master Race
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✭✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Did you explain the mechanics to them?
I never really paid attention to the Flesh Abomination mechanics in normal, so your "baby steps" don't actually work there. Same with the last boss. in normal, I just heal through his blast rather than jump through the portals. So that's no practice for Vet either.
The only way you learn the mechanics for Vet is by doing it in vet.
Why should I waste my time explaining the mechanics in a vet dungeon run? Players should already know them by now. If they don't why would they join a vet dungeon run in the first place? Start with normal first, and then work your way up to vet.
Your posts reek of pretentious elitism
@Libonotus Also ironic that he uses the word entitled. His very own ramblings are steeped in entitlement.
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DigitalShibby✭✭✭✭✭
✭Because everyone has a right to play everything even if it's their first time. Why are so many entitled elitist players on this game? It was once your first time in a vet dungeon too. Let people learn, if you don't "have time for that" stay out of group finder.1 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »You can solo warden easy enough....you let the group down...you shouldn't run Vet prison either. L2p
If your current build is setup for it, yes. It would be easy. Unfortunately my current setups are builds for group content.... vet trials.
Exactly....any high dps build can take warden solo. That's a poor excuse. If you can't take a vet boss like warden wearing a trial set up then...well....l2p.
Let me guess a quick ground toon with no self heal at all or no shield.
Actually that depends on class. For example, StamNBs are too squishy and Vigor won't outheal the incoming damage without Major Mending.
Veil + vigor and that awesome thing known as block (granted 99% of dps don't know what this is) blocks wardens machine gun attack perfectly fine...there is more to surviving that spamming vigor over and over.
Ah, I am not saying it can't be soloed, I mean it might be enough with trial gear. My HP is just 15.7k in trial gear. I can solo it just fine on my tank.0 -
BlackEar✭✭✭✭✭1. Decide if it is worth your time trying to complete it
2. If yes, ask people if they know mechanics.
3. If you wipe due to lack of knowledge/skill explain the mechanics
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✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »You can solo warden easy enough....you let the group down...you shouldn't run Vet prison either. L2p
If your current build is setup for it, yes. It would be easy. Unfortunately my current setups are builds for group content.... vet trials.
Exactly....any high dps build can take warden solo. That's a poor excuse. If you can't take a vet boss like warden wearing a trial set up then...well....l2p.
Let me guess a quick ground toon with no self heal at all or no shield.
So in a MMO game I'm suppose to L2P solo in a group related dungeon that is meant to be played with other players?4
