You are part of the problem...

Zinaroth · December 2016

Buffler wrote: »

cool story bro

idk · December 2016

WoW has a cash shop and introduced more content that ESO.

SWTOR has a cash shop and has a Sub/F2P model and has introduced almost 2 raids per year plus other content. Way more than ESO. It also has boxes similar to the crown crates.

The cash shop isn't the issue. The crown crates are not the issue.

DarkIntention · December 2016

Which bill of mine this month are you planning to pay for me OP ? Until that happens you dont get a say or opinion in how people spend their money. i think i'll stick with spending money i earn how i want.

Delta1038 · December 2016

I think it does play a part in it but it is hardly a be all end all aspect of the business model, hence why they had dlc come out prior and have plans for future stuff. So I will continue to be totally fine with crown crates and people buying them.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

Your first mistake is thinking people will boycott something when in reality boycotts rarely work. These forums alone should tell you that not everyone is pulling in the same direction, then there's the fact there are more players not using these forums and playing the game than there is active users on here. You're as well wasting your energy on something else.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

I'm ok being part of the problem. I buy stuff, I sub. I'm ok with that. Do I wish things were done faster, or different? Sure and I make noise about things I think are silly or poor decisions. But in the long run, I have played this game a lot. And i am ok giving back to the company that made it.

Having said that, I've been playing a whole lot of mass effect 3 lately. So im not sure how much longer I will be giving back to this particular company.

AlMcFly · December 2016

Right...HEY EVERYONE! Let's boycott the cash shop, providing ZOS with LESS money, and that will encourage them to...make "more" content for us? Hmmm. Methinks something doesn't sound quite right with that rationale.

Oompuh · December 2016

Bought crown crates, have all momentos and a storm atro camel, had fun doing it, no regrets.

...

I don't see a problem

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

User_Name wrote: »

The problem with subs on console is that you already have to pay for PSN to even play games, which is just crazy.

I don't mind ZOS making money at all, and I can also quite easily restrain myself, but I do think it's borderline exploitation when you see some of the posts people make on the forum, chasing a specific item and buying hundreds of crates to get it, seemingly not wholly realizing that what they are doing is no different than playing the roulette in a casino. You are playing a game that is designed for you to ultimately pay more for a single item than what it would cost if you could just buy it directly. It's designed to favor the house at the expense of the player - which isn't a surprise to most, while others don't even think about it because the context (playing a computer game) is so different than standing inside a smoke-filled gambling den.

It is pretty scummy, to be frank.

I think ZOS should be a lot more clear on the fact that it is pure gambling and also list the odds openly, because some people don't seem to fully grasp it. It's ZOS' job as an (unlicensed) gambling operator to responsibly look out for their customers. In my view, they should be licensed like every other entity that offers gambling, and adhere to the standards even Las Vegas casinos are forced to.

All good and fine in theory, but they currently don't need to because the law doesn't cover in-game purchases. It doesn't recognise pixels out a box as having any true legal monetary value. That's what separates the likes of casinos. lotteries etc and those in game crates. I know some people argue that these pixels do have monetary value because they have to spend real money to purchase them, but they can argue 'til they're blue in the face, doesn't change how the law currently perceives them.

Karius_Imalthar · December 2016

I feel like there is a key difference between crown crates and gambling. You always receive something with crown crates. Your feeling of the value of that reward might not match your feeling of the value of the crowns you spent or your feeling of the value of the real life money that was spent to buy the crowns though.

I bought a few crown crates and I received items that were of similar value.

Hand_Bacon · December 2016

Always wanted to be a part of something.

Life complete.

Bouldercleave · December 2016

It's FAR too late for a meaningless boycott that maybe 1/2 of the actual player base would even acknowledge.

Based on the sheer amount of apex mounts I see in game, the crates are already a success. Even if you could boycott them now, it is far too little and FAR too late.

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

I'm not part of the problem for once .

kargen27 · December 2016

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LrdRahvin · December 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...

PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

Buffler wrote: »

cool story bro

Epic tale, frater

Danikat · December 2016

AlMcFly wrote: »

Right...HEY EVERYONE! Let's boycott the cash shop, providing ZOS with LESS money, and that will encourage them to...make "more" content for us? Hmmm. Methinks something doesn't sound quite right with that rationale.

No one said boycott the entire cash shop.

But if you don't buy things you don't like (e.g. crown crates) and do buy things you do like (e.g. DLC) AND enough people are buying and not buying the same things it creates a pattern which ZOS will care about because it affects their profits.

If they're planning what to make in future and they see that DLC is selling better than crown crates the obvious conclusion is to make more DLC and less crown crates stuff.

Of course the downside to that is DLC is relatively expensive to make and is sold relatively cheaply (you get what, 4 crates for the cost of a DLC?) so it'd take a lot of DLC sales to match one persons crate purchases.

Sinthrax · December 2016

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

So something that they make, and do not force you to buy, which generates money that allows them to pay their employees to eventually make new content is an issue?

What do you want them to do. Be a fully donation only company? That seems to be what people want these days. I should be given everything and only need to give you money if I feel it's needed. You would probably be the first one in line with pitchforks complaining about the lack of content when they have no employees because nobody decided to donate to them.

The content that is being released now was in the works probably during the beta testing phase. They either stop that content to work on fixes for broken systems, or they ignore the systems and push out the content then go back to the broken systems. Either way people are going to be in an uproar when they feel like something they wanted more of or a fix for is not being worked on.

TL:DR - It makes them money to work on the game deal with it and stop complaining.

So if they sold and made real content that wouldnt support and feed their families?? Its called an easy buck. Now that the crown crates are implemented they can create and change items in a fraction of the time it takes to make ACTUAL content. If the best they can do is to make crown chest from here on out. Yes, Yes, I do wish they would just take the game offline.

Karius_Imalthar · December 2016

Entity 1: Here are crown crates. You pay 400 crowns and receive items of varying value. You have a chance of getting something of high value.
Entity 2: We don't want gamble boxes! We want to buy the items outright!
Entity 1: Ok, here's an elk for 4500.
Entity 2: zomg! That's too expensive!

Arthg · December 2016

OP's right: every septim we spend contributes to shaping the world we want to live in.

Me and my trusty brown paint horse - the happiest mofos in Tamriel.

Pheefs · December 2016

its not the same, at least apples & oranges are both fruit...
but you are comparing paperclips & daedric cheese!

All the mobile app games proved a billion times over that cash shops & 'micro-transactions' work
& people really like to make their characters look unique, fairly predictable combo really.

also ESO has a respectable track record for playable updates, with Housing & Battlegrounds & whole new Maps & Adventures coming up soon.

Making Crown Crates a lottery box of discontinued items from the main shop was clever, making them as expensive as they did was evil genius!

& it feeds back into that same virtual elitism that makes us WANT to look unique, if you can afford to roll the crate until you get what you want, you will have gotten a lot of interesting things in the meantime as consolation.

I haven't bought any crates, but Mer do I want that Elk!

Korah_Eaglecry · December 2016

Dawnblade wrote: »

Every game I've played with a cash shop that starts selling gamble boxes ends up focusing more and more on stuffing random digital trinkets into new gamble boxes and less on producing actual game content - so there must be a large amount of willing people out there that don't mind being milked of real life currency and could seemingly care less about whether the developer actually adds playable game content.

The model is clear - combine a game with a dedicated fan base / strong IP with an addictive product like gamble boxes and sit back and watch the easy revenue flow into the companies coffers.

No wonder companies with few scruples out to make a quick buck with little effort become just as addicted to pushing gamble boxes as the players they fleece.

Actually its a significantly small portion of the playerbase willing to drop 10x 100x even 1000x more than the average player.

Stopnaggin · December 2016

TheValkyn wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

cool story bro

He's correct though. What are you contributing?

Not really correct. We have no idea how much they have made from crates. We also dont know what they have in development. What if they can now hire more devs to add content with thay added revenue?

Paraflex · December 2016

Yep I plan on never buying crown crates vote with your dollars don't buy that junk it just supports them to create more crown crate items.

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

Here's a crazy business idea . How about releasing quality content with patches and fixes monthly for a reasonable price . An attractive subscription model with plenty of perks adding to this great content . Quality customer service with a team of professionals to handle any and all problems 7 days a week . A security system to address any and all hacking with a stiff penalty of perma ban if caught and the same quality security protocol for gold sellers , buyers and bots .

Think it's crazy and not profitable to sustain a MMO in current times ? Take a gander at Eve .

Hand_Bacon · December 2016

@Rohamad_Ali

That's just crazy talk.

kevlarto_ESO · December 2016

meh, they were lacking in content and upgrades before the crown store came out, what excuse did they use then, now they have all this new revenue but I don't see it coming back into the game, the problem with game is zos

I don't buy crowns, but I do sub for now.

JKorr · December 2016

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

Entity 1: Here are crown crates. You pay 400 crowns and receive items of varying value. You have a chance of getting something of high value.
Entity 2: We don't want gamble boxes! We want to buy the items outright!
Entity 1: Ok, here's an elk for 4500.
Entity 2: zomg! That's too expensive!

You know, if it wasn't a horse in an elk suit, and had the same functionality as the other mounts, I'd have already bought one. I can change things on my 2400 crown senche, but not on the 4500 crown elk.The dro' mathra senche was 5000 crowns, iirc, but that one at least had different effects/looks than the normal mount.

For a mount that has the same functionality as the 900 crown horse but has an interesting novel type of look, I'd be willing to pay what the special senche cost. Which was more than the elk.

bebynnag · December 2016

didnt read the post - responding to the title!

Elsonso · December 2016

BomblePants wrote: »

I agree with you @FortheloveofKrist, however the crates app contain some very desirable items that are locked behind the crates - sooner or later there is going to be something that appeals to almost everyone. Us humans 'want' and that is what Zos is counting on (I personally think the atro mounts are awful, but I think I'm in the minority).

My fear is that ZOS will spend until the end of days looking for that thing, while the rest of the game crumbles into dust around them.

Slurg · December 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

Entity 1: Here are crown crates. You pay 400 crowns and receive items of varying value. You have a chance of getting something of high value.
Entity 2: We don't want gamble boxes! We want to buy the items outright!
Entity 1: Ok, here's an elk for 4500.
Entity 2: zomg! That's too expensive!

You know, if it wasn't a horse in an elk suit, and had the same functionality as the other mounts, I'd have already bought one. I can change things on my 2400 crown senche, but not on the 4500 crown elk.The dro' mathra senche was 5000 crowns, iirc, but that one at least had different effects/looks than the normal mount.

For a mount that has the same functionality as the 900 crown horse but has an interesting novel type of look, I'd be willing to pay what the special senche cost. Which was more than the elk.

I like the elk a lot more than I liked the glow fart senche. It's a personal preference. I think they should offer more variety of mounts in the store for people to choose from, not fewer. That's my main problem with the crates - less choice for buyers.