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Recremen wrote: »

Frankly they shouldn't exist at all. Things should be available on the Crown Store, not via gambling.

A year an a half ago didn't they say that they weren't going to put betting / gambling into the game such as betting on Horse Races etc as they didn't want to encourage gambling...

They're actually not that high priced IMO. I mean, you can get what, fifteen of them for around 5000 crowns? Think about how many items you're getting out of that, plus how many of them are costume items or mounts or stuff like that. How much would it be to buy all those individually?

They're only really expensive if you're trying to get one particular item out of them and you're willing to spend a week's paycheck to get it.

Gsjlink3 wrote: »

Do you think the crown crates will ever go on sale? I'm fairly new and the crate price seems a bit extreme. I have the 500 crowns my game came with and got a 5000 back a couple months ago on sale. I think I'd try the crates if they received a nice sale price. But as it stands the crates and generally high price for store items is tough to digest, particularly in comparison to another mmo I play that lets you trade gold for the store currency. I just haven't played ESO long enough to know how they handle their store and sales and whatnot.

No, I don't think they will ever go on sale. Crowns go on sale occasionally, so look for that if you really really really want to try out the crates. Fair warning though, your odds of getting something really nice in a small handful of crates are quite low. Even with crown sales, expect to spend something like $50-75 for a solid chance at getting an apex reward (note: chance, it is not guaranteed).

Glurin wrote: »

They're actually not that high priced IMO. I mean, you can get what, fifteen of them for around 5000 crowns? Think about how many items you're getting out of that, plus how many of them are costume items or mounts or stuff like that. How much would it be to buy all those individually?

They're only really expensive if you're trying to get one particular item out of them and you're willing to spend a week's paycheck to get it.

15 crates for $50 isn't expensive?

Hell, why don't you go buy out ZOS and then get the game back on track then?

I'm not a fan of gambling practices in MMOs (No, i'm not interested in defense of how it's technically not gambling either) but compared to other MMOs, that's not only more expensive, but less giving.

In Champions Online the gambling crate equivalents are 'Lock Boxes' and you get them from playing the game and getting as regular drops, but you buy keys to open them instead, these keys are $1 each. and gives you more in each box and you can easily trade anything you don't like. the boxes and keys are tradeable too, so at least if you hate the concept but want a specific item you can buy it directly from other players.

Glurin wrote: »

Actually, 5500 crowns is about $40 when they aren't on sale and, like I said, compare what you get out of them to what it would cost individually. The crates in that 15 crate bundle work out to about 333 crowns or so each.

You open one and get:

Riding lesson. 100 crowns.
Crown repair kit. 40 crowns.
Five crown survivor elixirs. We'll ballpark that at 100 crowns.
Soul-Shriven Leather Outfit. We'll go cheap and say that's 500 crowns.

Hey, look at that! You're already 407 crowns ahead!

Let me start by simply saying you are absolutely WRONG. Okay? Don't like that? Stop being wrong then. Want a tip on how to not be wrong? Stop correcting people when you're wrong, and stop assuming that how you see things is how it is everywhere.

In Australia, and on PS4, 5500 Crowns is $52.95 AUD. For Xbox, from memory it's $40, but from what i've heard for the US it would be lower.

But either way... I'd like to not thank you, for incorrectly correcting me on something you were wrong about when correcting me. You didn't know. You thought you knew, but you didn't confirm it, instead you were like "Hey you know what, i don't know for certain but let me correct you with absolute authority on the matter because i'm defending devs"

I'd also like to not thank you for the fact you ignored my point about about other MMO's that also have this gambling nonsense are also cheaper too. I guess it would contradict your claim that it's not very expensive if you addressed the point that it's one the more expensive gambling microtransactions out there. for 30 crates in this game i could get 100 in another and trade/sell off whatever i don't want to keep in that one too.

I already have sould shriven outfits so for 500 crowns i get a couple useless crown gems. Such great value! (sarcasm by the way)

Oh, a riding lesson? Great! So glad there's no cap on mou- oh wait there is, 60/60/60 which i've hit, so another useless crown gem. repair kits? Oh right because everyone is so rich and just spend billios of real dollars on soulgems and repair kits so as to avoid spending game gold because gold's so tough to farm! (sarcasm again).

Value is subjective, even if it's given a solid number between crowns and crates. If i would never buy it with crowns directly, don't try to tell me i'm getting good value when i get stuck with it when i wanted something else instead.

I will NEVER make an Argonian character, but please, tell me how much value i've profited from when i get them as an unlucky gamble.

It's about as valid an argument as when my dad buys useless furniture ot cookware he'll never ever use but he 'saved' money cause it was on special. You can never save on anything you'll never use.

Skcarkden wrote: »

In Australia, and on PS4, 5500 Crowns is $52.95 AUD. For Xbox, from memory it's $40, but from what i've heard for the US it would be lower.

$39.99 to be exact. On all three platforms.

Skcarkden wrote: »

I'd also like to not thank you for the fact you ignored my point about about other MMO's that also have this gambling nonsense are also cheaper too. I guess it would contradict your claim that it's not very expensive if you addressed the point that it's one the more expensive gambling microtransactions out there. for 30 crates in this game i could get 100 in another and trade/sell off whatever i don't want to keep in that one too.

You don't get stuff for ESO in other MMO's crates, bags, whatever. What they sell their stuff for is their business. In ESO's context, the crown crates are a decent value for the price.

Skcarkden wrote: »

Value is subjective, even if it's given a solid number between crowns and crates. If i would never buy it with crowns directly, don't try to tell me i'm getting good value when i get stuck with it when i wanted something else instead.

I will NEVER make an Argonian character, but please, tell me how much value i've profited from when i get them as an unlucky gamble.

It's about as valid an argument as when my dad buys useless furniture ot cookware he'll never ever use but he 'saved' money cause it was on special. You can never save on anything you'll never use.

That's your problem. Not ours and not ZOS's. You're not guaranteed to get anything in crown crates. You're just guaranteed to get something. That's what makes them a gamble and it's the reason they are priced at a lower value than the sum-total of buying the items directly.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. No need to go on a tirade at forum members who disagree with your assessment.

Skcarkden wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Actually, 5500 crowns is about $40 when they aren't on sale and, like I said, compare what you get out of them to what it would cost individually. The crates in that 15 crate bundle work out to about 333 crowns or so each.

You open one and get:

Riding lesson. 100 crowns.
Crown repair kit. 40 crowns.
Five crown survivor elixirs. We'll ballpark that at 100 crowns.
Soul-Shriven Leather Outfit. We'll go cheap and say that's 500 crowns.

Hey, look at that! You're already 407 crowns ahead!

Let me start by simply saying you are absolutely WRONG. Okay? Don't like that? Stop being wrong then. Want a tip on how to not be wrong? Stop correcting people when you're wrong, and stop assuming that how you see things is how it is everywhere.

In Australia, and on PS4, 5500 Crowns is $52.95 AUD. For Xbox, from memory it's $40, but from what i've heard for the US it would be lower.

As a resident of a country that doesn't have protectionist tariffs applied to entertainment goods imports in a futile attempt to jump-start the domestic entertainment industry... no, 5500 crowns is $39.99 US.

As a resident of Oz, you have my sympathy, but if someone's pricing the 5500 bundle at 40 bucks... it's because that's what it costs.

It goes on sale for 23 or 24 bucks for 5500... at which point...

I hate to say this, I mean, I really hate to say this, but the Crown Crates aren't a terrible deal if you just want some random cosmetic goodies, and aren't shopping for a specific one. If you are, and want that one specific thing, they are a terrible deal, and you'll end up spending far more on them than you would grabbing what you wanted from a direct buy.

Glurin wrote: »

$39.99 to be exact. On all three platforms.

Well lucky for the US Sony isn't ripping them off. Still doesn't give you a pass for correcting people when wrong.

Glurin wrote: »

You don't get stuff for ESO in other MMO's crates, bags, whatever. What they sell their stuff for is their business. In ESO's context, the crown crates are a decent value for the price.

Speaking about making corrections and being wrong, I'd like to not thank you once again for pointlessly correcting something never said. I'm so glad you told me I can't get ESO related items from buying gamble boxes in other games, and yet they are still cheaper, and more convenient than how ESO manages it. But no, ESO's crate are not good value, not on their own, not compared to how all the other MMO's that introduce this gamble crap, not ever and no amount of fanboy defense is ever going to justify that.

Glurin wrote: »

That's your problem. Not ours and not ZOS's. You're not guaranteed to get anything in crown crates. You're just guaranteed to get something. That's what makes them a gamble and it's the reason they are priced at a lower value than the sum-total of buying the items directly.

Great method to ignore the point, just say it's my problem and not yours or ZOS's because you can't defend your own point.

You: But think of all the crowns you save on items you'd never buy, great value!
Me: Value is subjective, especially if you already have those items, or never plan on using them such as the hundred different argonion only items!
You: That's your problem, not ours or ZOS! Now, buy this nice very expensive set of pots and pans! on special! save money!
Me: But i don't cook so it's not really saving me money
You: not our problem, save money!
You again: *unironically reference flight centre and lowest airfares guarenteed* (even though they aren't)



Oh, i partically like where you said: "You're not guaranteed to get anything in crown crates. You're just guaranteed to get something."

I don't get anything but i still get something? Nothing is something? Talk sense man!

Glurin wrote: »

If you don't like it, don't buy it. No need to go on a tirade at forum members who disagree with your assessment

Ah, the old "If you don't like X don't Y it, just shut about it too!" card.

What if i don't like murder, choose not to do it, but everyone else is still doing it? I could persuade people not to commit murder too, but it requires talking about it and why it's a dumb, terrible thing. but if i did as you asked and just did the step of not doing it and nothing else, it would still go no where. Sometimes things need to be talked about. And you have no right to control me.

As for tirade, long posts =/= tirade. And it's not because you disagree with me, it's because you incorrectly correct me, act like your opinion on value is all that matters and then say it's my problem when i bring up a very valid point about the value being subjective when it could be junk i'll never use or CAN'T use because of how it's designed. Therefore the 'good value' in an MMO that overprices compared to plenty of other MMO's out there and yet has a more restrictive version is not 'good value' for all. It might be to you, but it doesn't mean i have to share your feeling, nor can you dare expect me to.

starkerealm wrote: »

As a resident of Oz, you have my sympathy, but if someone's pricing the 5500 bundle at 40 bucks... it's because that's what it costs.

1. What on earth are you even trying to get at with this? Did we somehow start arguing about why the price is what it is? ZOS set the crown prices, i don't think there was ever any moment that required anyone to say. I don't think there was ever any comment or question that gives room for a response of "it's that price because thats what it costs" no one even disputed that.

What i was saying is, it's pretty much $50 here where i am, so i don't need someone correcting me that it's actually $40 when in fact it's closer to 50 for me, so their correction is wrong and pointless.

As for the rest of the quote i left out because i don't think i need to respond to a pointing out of the obvious.

It still doesn't mystically make the crates more valualble.

starkerealm wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

1. What on earth are you even trying to get at with this?

I just looked it up, the exchange rate from USD to AUD is 1.38 (right now, at this moment). So, 40USD is, in fact, 55AUD. You know, what you were saying it cost, and when people corrected you... they were right, it's 40USD.

Or, put another way, the physical dollars in your wallet are worth less than the dollars in mine... if I had any physical cash in my wallet and didn't do everything with plastic these days.

It's also 36 Euro's But do i use Euro's? No, so why does this matter? it doesn't. neither does you telling me what it converts to.

I was talking about MY local currency, I don't need people correcting me to THEIR local currency because people like to always assume USD is all that exists and then correct people on the USD.

And no, they were not right, because when they corrected me i was referring to $50 in AUD, telling me it's then $40 after, means they are saying it's 40 AUD, when currency is not specified.

Infact it's actually $38.28 USD but it's not the point. Because I did not actually know what the AUD converted to in US at the time of making the comment, because i don't typically expect people to correct me based on a figure that can vary based on where you are or what platform you're using.

But that's the great thing about the internet, right? You can google a question about anything that can vary from country to country, and no one thinks to check which country the article is talking about.

starkerealm wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

It's also 36 Euro's But do i use Euro's? No, so why does this matter?

It matters when you're flying off the handle and telling people they got the price wrong, in all caps, by the way, when they, in fact, quoted the correct price.

But they didn't?

The prices coincidentally happen to match up almost close, but that was realised AFTER the fact, not before or during.

This is why i quit playing Mafia games, anytime anyone playing was competent people assume they are mafia because they know how to play, then scream "SEE I TOLD YOU" when they turn out to be right for the wrong reasons.

Skcarkden wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

It's also 36 Euro's But do i use Euro's? No, so why does this matter?

It matters when you're flying off the handle and telling people they got the price wrong, in all caps, by the way, when they, in fact, quoted the correct price.

But they didn't?

The prices coincidentally happen to match up almost close, but that was realised AFTER the fact, not before or during.

This is why i quit playing Mafia games, anytime anyone playing was competent people assume they are mafia because they know how to play, then scream "SEE I TOLD YOU" when they turn out to be right for the wrong reasons.

@Glurin quoted the correct price.

As to that Mafia stuff... I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.

Skcarkden wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

1. What on earth are you even trying to get at with this?

I just looked it up, the exchange rate from USD to AUD is 1.38 (right now, at this moment). So, 40USD is, in fact, 55AUD. You know, what you were saying it cost, and when people corrected you... they were right, it's 40USD.

Or, put another way, the physical dollars in your wallet are worth less than the dollars in mine... if I had any physical cash in my wallet and didn't do everything with plastic these days.

It's also 36 Euro's But do i use Euro's? No, so why does this matter? it doesn't. neither does you telling me what it converts to.

I was talking about MY local currency, I don't need people correcting me to THEIR local currency because people like to always assume USD is all that exists and then correct people on the USD.

And no, they were not right, because when they corrected me i was referring to $50 in AUD, telling me it's then $40 after, means they are saying it's 40 AUD, when currency is not specified.

Infact it's actually $38.28 USD but it's not the point. Because I did not actually know what the AUD converted to in US at the time of making the comment, because i don't typically expect people to correct me based on a figure that can vary based on where you are or what platform you're using.

But that's the great thing about the internet, right? You can google a question about anything that can vary from country to country, and no one thinks to check which country the article is talking about.

You are the one who first said $50 without specifying that it's your local currency and not what people universally understand this symbol as: the US dollar. If you use anything other than default, it's your responsibility to inform others about it.