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FortheloveofKrist
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Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...
PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).
So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.
PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).
So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.
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Yep, that's pretty much it in a nutshell.FortheloveofKrist wrote: »Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...
PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).
So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.
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✭I agree with you @FortheloveofKrist, however the crates app contain some very desirable items that are locked behind the crates - sooner or later there is going to be something that appeals to almost everyone. Us humans 'want' and that is what Zos is counting on (I personally think the atro mounts are awful, but I think I'm in the minority).8 -
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✭✭So something that they make, and do not force you to buy, which generates money that allows them to pay their employees to eventually make new content is an issue?
What do you want them to do. Be a fully donation only company? That seems to be what people want these days. I should be given everything and only need to give you money if I feel it's needed. You would probably be the first one in line with pitchforks complaining about the lack of content when they have no employees because nobody decided to donate to them.
The content that is being released now was in the works probably during the beta testing phase. They either stop that content to work on fixes for broken systems, or they ignore the systems and push out the content then go back to the broken systems. Either way people are going to be in an uproar when they feel like something they wanted more of or a fix for is not being worked on.
TL:DR - It makes them money to work on the game deal with it and stop complaining.21 -
Dawnblade✭✭✭✭✭Every game I've played with a cash shop that starts selling gamble boxes ends up focusing more and more on stuffing random digital trinkets into new gamble boxes and less on producing actual game content - so there must be a large amount of willing people out there that don't mind being milked of real life currency and could seemingly care less about whether the developer actually adds playable game content.
The model is clear - combine a game with a dedicated fan base / strong IP with an addictive product like gamble boxes and sit back and watch the easy revenue flow into the companies coffers.
No wonder companies with few scruples out to make a quick buck with little effort become just as addicted to pushing gamble boxes as the players they fleece.
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✭✭We might be the "minority", but you're not alone.
I think the Atro Mounts are fugly as hell... I would never pay money for one of those, In a crate or alone.
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✭BomblePants wrote: »I agree with you @FortheloveofKrist, however the crates app contain some very desirable items that are locked behind the crates - sooner or later there is going to be something that appeals to almost everyone. Us humans 'want' and that is what Zos is counting on (I personally think the atro mounts are awful, but I think I'm in the minority).
Oh I totally agree that it's working. That's what is so upsetting to many of us who really love the game and wish for more original content.
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✭✭y'know what? if you're going to judge people based on how they spend their money, i'mma buy more crown crates just to spite youskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
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✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »So something that they make, and do not force you to buy, which generates money that allows them to pay their employees to eventually make new content is an issue?
What do you want them to do. Be a fully donation only company? That seems to be what people want these days. I should be given everything and only need to give you money if I feel it's needed. You would probably be the first one in line with pitchforks complaining about the lack of content when they have no employees because nobody decided to donate to them.
The content that is being released now was in the works probably during the beta testing phase. They either stop that content to work on fixes for broken systems, or they ignore the systems and push out the content then go back to the broken systems. Either way people are going to be in an uproar when they feel like something they wanted more of or a fix for is not being worked on.
TL:DR - It makes them money to work on the game deal with it and stop complaining.
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They won't use that money to work on the game. They will use it to work on the Crown Store.10 -
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✭✭✭As a roleplayer in game literally nothing in the crates appealed to me except maybe the Daedric Scamp of all things.
Theres a mage at the guilds who summons one sometimes so it is possible to have one as a companion I suppose.
But a mount that is a storm atronach? Lol never, they look terrible too in my opinion.
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✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »So something that they make, and do not force you to buy, which generates money that allows them to pay their employees to eventually make new content is an issue?
What do you want them to do. Be a fully donation only company? That seems to be what people want these days. I should be given everything and only need to give you money if I feel it's needed. You would probably be the first one in line with pitchforks complaining about the lack of content when they have no employees because nobody decided to donate to them.
The content that is being released now was in the works probably during the beta testing phase. They either stop that content to work on fixes for broken systems, or they ignore the systems and push out the content then go back to the broken systems. Either way people are going to be in an uproar when they feel like something they wanted more of or a fix for is not being worked on.
TL:DR - It makes them money to work on the game deal with it and stop complaining.
Prove they are/will use the revenue to work on real content for the game, and not more clown crate content.
Almost all of the upcoming content was in the works/nearly finished before they hired the marketing director who was hired to monetize everything. The latest datamined stuff is...More clown crate stuff. Wild Hunt is next, iirc. Housing has been in the works; Mirkmire, Clockwork City...where's hints of the new content they're working on?
If they do use the money to do more than work on more clown crate/rngesus box stuff they might make the record books as the first company to actually do that. Most of the other games that have started to put out rngesus crates have added a little new content, but put more emphasis on expanding the rngesus crate items that take little to no effort to put out, unlike real game content. Eventually they will release new game content, because otherwise they won't have players left to buy the scam boxes.
Ironically enough, the people who are the most vocal about the rngesus crates are the ones who have been subbed from the beginning, and have bought {NOT GAMBLED ON A CHANCE TO MAYBE GET} many of the costumes and mounts in the crown store. We have been "giving" to the company. Many people actually want the game to go back to sub only; the one poster made a thread about "Do you want to see the game go free to play", and didn't get the response he thought he would. Read that thread, then say the people against the clown crates and other long time players "want everything for free".8 -
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✭GrumpyMuffin wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...
PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).
So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.
While I agree, I would also posit that if sales start going down, then the reasons for HAVING to purchase them will be increased. More and more items will appear in there rather than the crown store. Unfortunately I do not see a great correlation between crown crates and lack of content. We had a sub for a long time and went pretty much a year without any new content. The game is being run by accountants these days. In terms of $ per man hour, I would guess that Crates are by far the most profitable, then the shop and finally a very long way back DLC
And you know what, in that case I too would agree the crates would be needed at that point. If I wanted to continue playing the game, and the only way they could keep it going was to sell trinkets in gamble crates, then I would be all for it.
You're right, the gaming industry is run by accountants (I am one of them), and this is the age of the microtransaction. But every decision carries an opportunity cost. That cost would be much higher if people didn't just buy them up while there is much more game to develop. That will obviously slow game development because they can of course make more money from the crates.
But people gotta have their shinies. And that's what is ruining the game.
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Its the same post over and over again. People get it.... hate of crown crates. I don't like them either, but after a while less and less people care about these posts because they get repetitive.
Back to the OP.... You mentioned subs.... this game started with it... everyone was upset and didn't want a sub based model... so guess what we call get? Crates and Crown Store...
PSA
We are all part of the problem.....Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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✭✭✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...
PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).
So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.
Then thats cool cuz i did the crown crate thing and am Ok with it continuing.
I am so glad you pointed out to me and the others who did not know before you said it that our buying products from retailers encourages them to produce more of what we buy.
Such... insight.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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✭✭✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »
Its the same post over and over again. People get it.... hate of crown crates. I don't like them either, but after a while less and less people care about these posts because they get repetitive.
Back to the OP.... You mentioned subs.... this game started with it... everyone was upset and didn't want a sub based model... so guess what we call get? Crates and Crown Store...
PSA
We are all part of the problem.....
No, not everyone. I'm not the only one who wanted the sub to continue. The sub didn't seem to be a huge issue before the consoles got involved. Related or not? I have no idea. Take a look at the "Do you want to see the game go free to play" thread for others who didn't want the sub to change.4 -
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✭✭✭Every game I've played with a cash shop that starts selling gamble boxes ends up focusing more and more on stuffing random digital trinkets into new gamble boxes and less on producing actual game content - so there must be a large amount of willing people out there that don't mind being milked of real life currency and could seemingly care less about whether the developer actually adds playable game content.
The model is clear - combine a game with a dedicated fan base / strong IP with an addictive product like gamble boxes and sit back and watch the easy revenue flow into the companies coffers.
No wonder companies with few scruples out to make a quick buck with little effort become just as addicted to pushing gamble boxes as the players they fleece.
They couldn't possibly focus less on producing actual game content. We haven't had a real DLC since Orsinium.Edited by Bouldercleave on December 29, 2016 6:53PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Considering all the atro mounts I see all over the place, I'm sure that ZOS laughs all the way to the bank and considers the crook crates a large success, despite all the negative rep they got from here. Pitiful, really.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BomblePants wrote: »I agree with you @FortheloveofKrist, however the crates app contain some very desirable items that are locked behind the crates - sooner or later there is going to be something that appeals to almost everyone. Us humans 'want' and that is what Zos is counting on (I personally think the atro mounts are awful, but I think I'm in the minority).
There are already things I want in the crates. The clouded senche cub, chub loon and red Wolf mount for a start. I'm still not buying them.
I've been through this already with my other MMO. I collect pets in that game and the first time I refused to buy some it was when they put them in RNG boxes and made them account bound so there was no alternative way to get them. So I went without. It bothered me because I'm a pretty obsessive collector, but not enough to make me buy them.
I thought that was the end of it, but 3 years later they re-released them in-game and I was able to get them.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »
Its the same post over and over again. People get it.... hate of crown crates. I don't like them either, but after a while less and less people care about these posts because they get repetitive.
Back to the OP.... You mentioned subs.... this game started with it... everyone was upset and didn't want a sub based model... so guess what we call get? Crates and Crown Store...
PSA
We are all part of the problem.....
No, not everyone. I'm not the only one who wanted the sub to continue. The sub didn't seem to be a huge issue before the consoles got involved. Related or not? I have no idea. Take a look at the "Do you want to see the game go free to play" thread for others who didn't want the sub to change.
That is a Free to Play game poll.. of course no one wants that, but when people against the crown crates bring up sub-based models.. I have to point it out that this game once was.
It needs to go back to sub based, and before people freak out, the one MMO that will not be named but always is on top... still subbed... for the life of the game..
Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »
Its the same post over and over again. People get it.... hate of crown crates. I don't like them either, but after a while less and less people care about these posts because they get repetitive.
Back to the OP.... You mentioned subs.... this game started with it... everyone was upset and didn't want a sub based model... so guess what we call get? Crates and Crown Store...
PSA
We are all part of the problem.....
No, not everyone. I'm not the only one who wanted the sub to continue. The sub didn't seem to be a huge issue before the consoles got involved. Related or not? I have no idea. Take a look at the "Do you want to see the game go free to play" thread for others who didn't want the sub to change.
That is a Free to Play game poll.. of course no one wants that, but when people against the crown crates bring up sub-based models.. I have to point it out that this game once was.
It needs to go back to sub based, and before people freak out, the one MMO that will not be named but always is on top... still subbed... for the life of the game..
Agreed. And if they took out the crates and released new content on a regular basis, I would be willing to pay $30/month sub for this game.
But alas, once the numbers flush out, I bet they would still make more money with the current approach. So in a way, I can't blame them.
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✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »
Its the same post over and over again. People get it.... hate of crown crates. I don't like them either, but after a while less and less people care about these posts because they get repetitive.
Back to the OP.... You mentioned subs.... this game started with it... everyone was upset and didn't want a sub based model... so guess what we call get? Crates and Crown Store...
PSA
We are all part of the problem.....
No, not everyone. I'm not the only one who wanted the sub to continue. The sub didn't seem to be a huge issue before the consoles got involved. Related or not? I have no idea. Take a look at the "Do you want to see the game go free to play" thread for others who didn't want the sub to change.
That is a Free to Play game poll.. of course no one wants that, but when people against the crown crates bring up sub-based models.. I have to point it out that this game once was.
It needs to go back to sub based, and before people freak out, the one MMO that will not be named but always is on top... still subbed... for the life of the game..
Agreed. And if they took out the crates and released new content on a regular basis, I would be willing to pay $30/month sub for this game.
But alas, once the numbers flush out, I bet they would still make more money with the current approach. So in a way, I can't blame them.
Well hopefully, if they keep them, and find the right balance, if there is even such a thing,.. release new content, improvements on the game keep coming, then I will feel they are using the funds the correct way. They need to make money too, whether we like it or not.
I am subbed, have been since beta on the PC, moved to PS4. I am sure many have. Hopefully they go in the right direction, I would hate to see this game go away.Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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✭By content you mean actually playable content? If so crown crates purchases or not has nothing to do with new releases.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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User_Name✭✭✭The problem with subs on console is that you already have to pay for PSN to even play games, which is just crazy.
I don't mind ZOS making money at all, and I can also quite easily restrain myself, but I do think it's borderline exploitation when you see some of the posts people make on the forum, chasing a specific item and buying hundreds of crates to get it, seemingly not wholly realizing that what they are doing is no different than playing the roulette in a casino. You are playing a game that is designed for you to ultimately pay more for a single item than what it would cost if you could just buy it directly. It's designed to favor the house at the expense of the player - which isn't a surprise to most, while others don't even think about it because the context (playing a computer game) is so different than standing inside a smoke-filled gambling den.
It is pretty scummy, to be frank.
I think ZOS should be a lot more clear on the fact that it is pure gambling and also list the odds openly, because some people don't seem to fully grasp it. It's ZOS' job as an (unlicensed) gambling operator to responsibly look out for their customers. In my view, they should be licensed like every other entity that offers gambling, and adhere to the standards even Las Vegas casinos are forced to.1
