Who wants to bet on even if these nerfs and more go live, pvp folks will stop complaining?

Danksta · December 2016

Pallio wrote: »

Seriously, what are the chances these nerfs, even assume they nerf destro ult and Jesus beam and whatever else. Do you seriously think that would be enough to stop their crying?

You do realize you're crying about people crying, right?

Malamar1229 · December 2016

Pallio wrote: »

I think all end game trials guilds should farm AP this week, spamming whatever skills you like raking in the AP. Like candy from babies, farming AP from scrubs that can't do end game content would be fun. It is much more relaxing than actually having to try and play a role perfectly with a perfect rotation that is for sure.

who the hell you calling a scrub? Scrubs are the ones hiding in carebear land (pve). Thank your daedric princes there isnt open world pvp or you'd be really screwed. I mean, what're you gonna do when you can use google to find out how to kill your boss who has the same rotation and mechanics everytime you face him.

PS I was in the top Alliance raiding guild on KilJaeden (WoW) for 2 years before I realized how boring and lame PvE is.

Egonieser · December 2016

Pallio wrote: »

Agree, are the pvpers buying all their crap in the crown store? Don't even need any DLC for the average pvp scrub, do they by all the motifs and mounts and crown trap boxes?

Been a subscriber since release, own numerous mounts and costumes. And I mostly PvP. Problem?

Iselin · December 2016

Pallio wrote: »

Seriously, what are the chances these nerfs, even assume they nerf destro ult and Jesus beam and whatever else. Do you seriously think that would be enough to stop their crying?

You're missing the obvious: people normally don't complain about anything that makes them stronger.

It's why those who do nothing but PVE are generally 100% OK with triple-proccing crits. It just makes their DPS feel more godly going against veteran dungeon bosses in HM. Occasionally you might get one saying that group content is too easy and some DPS things need to get toned down but they're typically shouted down by the masses that prefer it easy.

But when the same things are done to you, it's a whole different story.It's just basic human nature.

There's no need to apply half-baked pseudo-psychology and speculate about how PVPers are aliens with different brains. That's just condescending ignorance.

User_Name · December 2016

LordSarevok wrote: »

A person can be a child at any age. I am also in my 30's. I am just tired of good games, or hell anything for that matter being ruined by people who flop on the floor and throw a tantrum. It's high time we let these people wear themselves out crying, let them know they are a tiny % of the base and politely ask them to move on.

Explain to me how you are not doing *exactly* what you are complaining about? This is really getting beyond ridiculous.

LordSarevok · December 2016

User_Name wrote: »

LordSarevok wrote: »

A person can be a child at any age. I am also in my 30's. I am just tired of good games, or hell anything for that matter being ruined by people who flop on the floor and throw a tantrum. It's high time we let these people wear themselves out crying, let them know they are a tiny % of the base and politely ask them to move on.

Explain to me how you are not doing *exactly* what you are complaining about? This is really getting beyond ridiculous.

Easily. As I only addressed the root cause of these issues in the above post. A generalization if you will.

I have not said anything about the changes themselves, on whether I agree or disagree. If I did say something it would be after everything went live, I had tested and saw something out of place. If I thought something was amiss, I would ask others for their input and then ask of the company to explain the reasoning. Because guess what? I could be wrong. I just want people to stop loosing their minds and throwing tantrums. I have seen where this leads. And many others have as well.

Paraflex · December 2016

People will always complain. It's over buffed... it got nerfed to much. I just hope they find a balance...

Oh the PVE players coming out and crying about proc crits getting nerf are huge babies. Iv never seen such a large knee jerk reaction over a small overall dps change. Yes it hurt monster sets but come on all the content in the game doesn't need OP grothdar or illambris criting to make or break a fight. Suck it up and adjust PVE crowd.

Browiseth · December 2016

the fact that it's viewed as shameful to find legitimate inbalances and want to bring attention to them us uh

well, shameful

Unsent.Soul · December 2016

Pallio wrote: »

Seriously, what are the chances these nerfs, even assume they nerf destro ult and Jesus beam and whatever else. Do you seriously think that would be enough to stop their crying?

What would it take to get you to shut up and put your big boy pants on?

DHale · December 2016

Pvp players will cry no matter what ZOS does. I took a resource and waited by the mage guard when a couple of players came out to take it back I moltened it with poison inject and dragon leaped on him and killed him then killed his friend then got whispered, "that is so much chesse".I said what cheese?. He said bombing us from stealth. I said when did poison inject and dragon leap become chesse. He said you can't take people in a straight up fight so you have to bomb them. I told him to learn to play. So now solo and on a stam DK is now chesse.... I give up. Good thing I wasn't a nightblade with viper and validreth using incap.

chaserstorm16909 · December 2016

Pallio wrote: »

Agree, are the pvpers buying all their crap in the crown store? Don't even need any DLC for the average pvp scrub, do they by all the motifs and mounts and crown trap boxes?

We don't buy the crap in the crown store because it's just that crap. And pvp takes more skill then running the same dungeon over and over again with the same mechanics. You might want to reconsider who you refer to as scrubs.

Pallio · December 2016

Gonna farm these scrub for free gear AP.. Nice break from trails for a while.

thankyourat · December 2016

DHale wrote: »

Pvp players will cry no matter what ZOS does. I took a resource and waited by the mage guard when a couple of players came out to take it back I moltened it with poison inject and dragon leaped on him and killed him then killed his friend then got whispered, "that is so much chesse".I said what cheese?. He said bombing us from stealth. I said when did poison inject and dragon leap become chesse. He said you can't take people in a straight up fight so you have to bomb them. I told him to learn to play. So now solo and on a stam DK is now chesse.... I give up. Good thing I wasn't a nightblade with viper and validreth using incap.

That sounds like it was PvE players who happened to find themselves in cyrodiil

azoriangaming · December 2016

pvpers never stop complaining just like us brits in's built into our genes haha

geonsocal · December 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

In before thread lock ...

GarnetFire17 · December 2016

PVeers -complain because they keep changing the game the because pvpers are always complaining and are never happy ever, at least not all of them at the same time.

WuffyCerulei · December 2016

PvPers will always complain. This is a fact of life. While some arguments are understandable, i.e. Viper/Red Mountain being unavoidable damage/Viper proccing off non-melee attacks or other sets going through keep walls and cloak, most are just people who whine about being killed. Unfortunately, their cries for nerfs are often heard over the cries of PvEers, who've suffered enough with all the past nerfs. Let's just hope ZOS understands that PvP needs to be balanced itself and not have the same nerfs affect PvE.

User_Name · December 2016

You have to keep in mind that PVP'ers are in a unique position to get familiar with not only their own class, but also all the other classes, since they are fighting them and getting affected by their skills and such.

Through PVP you get insights that you are not in a position to gain solely doing PVE, as you never feel the impact of other player classes and builds as they are never pitted against you.

PVE only gives you half of the image ("what is it like to play this class") where PVP gives you both sides of the coin ("what is it like to play this class"/"what is it like to fight this class").

That's probably why PVP'ers tend to offer their views on balancing more often, as they are in a unique position to offer qualified views.

Cinbri · December 2016

Pallio wrote: »

And lowering trials dps will somehow improve your pvp experience?

With increased CP cap current trials became just easy walk of reid rofl-stomping everything on its way. Even Rakhhat can be burned down to skip gold phase on hardmode. When dps of fotm sets will be lowered it will be positive change for pve that became just too easy.

Etaniel · December 2016

Pallio wrote: »

I think all end game trials guilds should farm AP this week, spamming whatever skills you like raking in the AP. Like candy from babies, farming AP from scrubs that can't do end game content would be fun. It is much more relaxing than actually having to try and play a role perfectly with a perfect rotation that is for sure.

It's much easier to learn a perfect rotation that you can read about online, than to adapt to an enemy who could act unpredictably.

mlstevens42_ESO · December 2016

Neither pvp nor pve are hard. Pve is learning mechanics with good sustained damage. Pvp is learning the different classes and builds so you know how to counter. Pve has mobs with millions of points. Pvp the players do not have any where close to that amount of health so one to one fights are over much more quickly. Pve has set conditions which vary within certain parameters pvp fights are a bit more unpredictable like just how many of your foe you will be fighting at any given time. They each have a place. They each have their quirks.

I do wish they would divide them only because I feel there would be less strife. I do agree that some of the proc sets need some tweaking yes even for pve else whatever challenge one might have in completing a boss becomes a sham. My desire for the split is so the skills I count on are not always being altered. Many of the things that prevent a fair fight in pvp are not a real problem in pve. Those on that side of the field see no real reason to continue to alter how they play to satisfy the constant ebb and flow which cause the fotm builds in pvp. They want the thing that worked yesterday to work on the morrow and the day after unless there is a real good reason for a change. Like some skill being broken in one form or other.