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Would you like to see ESO go free-to-play?
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✭NoAhnastashia wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »
Well, I will have to do some research now, but I saw a post earlier claiming the person responsible for introducing the gambling crates to ESO, a blatantly F2P-style gimmick, is actually one of the industry veterans at F2P conversions.
I consider Zenimax to be a AAA company, mostly due to the Elder Scrolls and Fallout franchise.
But baring WoW you would be hard pressed to find a single MMO today that hasn't fallen prey to the fad of the moment F2P tactics, even if it is just creeping in a bit at a time into B2P or subscription games.
The market has a saturation point for this sort of shenanigans. Sooner or later MMO's will have to start focusing on quality content rather than cheap gimmicks as no one will fall for it anymore and they won't be able to turn a profit making entire games just for the handful of people that will throw obscene amounts of money at them as a charity just because they can.
And really, why would they? All the gimmicks and schemes of F2P games really aren't very much fun.
I really hope it's not true that they hired someone who is as you say, a veteran of the f2p ideology. That would be just a disaster for ESO. From my personal experience, f2p games are nothing but an eventual shake-down for "all you can get" from the player base. They all start out "ok" but just slide down into the gutter of players being nothing more than wallets to the game creators. For the love of the gods.. please ZOS do not do this!
It is true. We discussed the work of that particular person a lot in the past, in threads specifically about the Crown Crates. Generally, people avoid posting this person's name because when someone does it turns the thread into a witch hunt so we all sound like conspiracy theorists or Potterheads depending on if you call her "The Lady" or "You-Know-Who"
Well, that's terrifying news.
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✭✭Nostarkerealm wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »
Look at all those games that F2P saved... like... uh... oh.
Exactly, SWTOR went free to play and now charges non subs for ridiculous things, and despite being f2p it has a much much much smaller player base. When I left, it was barely able to fill one of its servers with people, when it used to have a good number of people in multiple servers.Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!1 -
Captain8504✭✭✭NoIf eso went ftp, then all the crown store items would have to double or triple in price.3 -
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✭✭✭The game went B2P when they halted development to focus on the console launch. I would take F2P as a sign that development would be greatly slowing down.
Also that bot trains, like we saw at launch, would come flooding back.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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✭✭✭✭✭Nodriosketch wrote: »The game went B2P when they halted development to focus on the console launch. I would take F2P as a sign that development would be greatly slowing down.
Also that bot trains, like we saw at launch, would come flooding back.
Ran into one on Betnikh the other day, farming wolves. Yes, the ones for the event. Ugh...
Also, there's been a train out near Drowned Coast Dolmen for awhile, that I once killed by dragging a dread storm attronach into their path.
But, these have been small bot trains, three or four tops. Not the twenty mules crap from launch.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No@starkerealm And don't forget having a dozen or so 'people' all swarmed around delve bosses, never moving, like we used to have. XZ I never want to see those days again!#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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Ballzy321✭✭✭YesThey already ruined Pvp with eye of the storm and proc sets. dont think it would affect pve at all. im all for it0
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Thaumic✭✭✭NoWould rather it was still subscription based. F2P would just mean even more horrors like Crown Crates.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff)5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoWould rather it was still subscription based. F2P would just mean even more horrors like Crown Crates.
To be clear, I think what you wanted to say was more horrors with Crown Crates.
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✭✭✭✭✭Nolordrichter wrote: »
Oh no, free to play games have actually managed to come up with worse tactics than that. Like time limits on costumes so every 28 days or whatever you have to buy it again. Same for dyes, motifs etc.
Or exclusive best-in-slot items for the people who buy the most crown crates each month. Not in the crates, only awarded if you buy more crates than other people.
And this is on top of "standard" tactics like better equipment than you can ever get in game coming from crates and removing in-game style materials so you have to buy mimic stones.
"Free" to play MMOs do some incredibly nasty things which I really doubt anyone wants to see here.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »How could they? Console's mean Microsoft and Sony are involved and make a profit. I seriously doubt they'd allow it to go free to play.
Not that I would ever support this game going F2P but there are F2P games on Console. Star Trek Online just recently launched on Console this last October...Its been F2P since Late 2010 early 2011.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nolordrichter wrote: »
Oh no, free to play games have actually managed to come up with worse tactics than that. Like time limits on costumes so every 28 days or whatever you have to buy it again. Same for dyes, motifs etc.
Or exclusive best-in-slot items for the people who buy the most crown crates each month. Not in the crates, only awarded if you buy more crates than other people.
And this is on top of "standard" tactics like better equipment than you can ever get in game coming from crates and removing in-game style materials so you have to buy mimic stones.
"Free" to play MMOs do some incredibly nasty things which I really doubt anyone wants to see here.
But wait, it gets better. Remove the repair kits from vendors (and the crafting writ boxes), then remove the ability to repair gear from merchants. But, don't worry, if that item's really worth using, you can always buy crown repair kits.
Remove the Soul Magic skill line entirely, and the ability to purchase gems in game. But, don't worry, you can always buy them from the store. If you need to recharge an enchantment, or revive that idiot DPS that goes into the red, you can still do that, provided you're coughing up cash.
Remove lockpicks from the game's drop tables, and sell them (unbound) in bundles of 25 to players via the crown shop.
Limiting the number of upgrade materials you can use on a given item upgrade attempt unless you've bought special ones from the store or (more likely) gotten lucky and pulled one from the boxes. "Want to ugprade an item to gold? Cool, you're going to be limited to using 1 tempering alloy, good luck. Wait, you want better odds of that drop piece not going up in flames? Well, buy our crafting lock boxes, and hope you get an upgrade augment: a single use consumable that reduces the chance that an item will be broken during the upgrade process."
Yeah... that sounds, "fun."2 -
mtwiggz✭✭✭✭✭NoSo what you're saying is your friends don't have $10 to buy the game while it's on sale? Or $30 to buy the gold edition that contains all of the DLCs?
ESO is already a very cheap game to buy in today's market of $50-$60 games everywhere.
I actually would have preferred that they left the mandatory subscription fee. The community was a lot nicer and helpful during the subscription era. Not to mention the devs and community managers were actually helpful back in those days. Bugs were actually "fixed" and decent feedback was actually available on the forums.Edited by mtwiggz on December 25, 2016 9:57PM2 -
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✭✭NoServers are already having performance issues, I cannot do PVP as much as I want as I lag, freeze and get 'unable to connect to server' as soon as I get into a 'large' fight of more than 10 people.
Besides, the game is already too full of people who don't know how to play and are not interested in learning - which is fine until you get them in dungeon finder.
I would rather see it back to subscription only, at least them we might get some action from ZOS to fix the performance issues instead of nothing but stupid festivals and Crown Store items.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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✭✭✭✭✭NoI'm confused by all the people saying the game was so much better when it was subscription only.
As I remember it there was only 1 new release that year (Cranlorn) and people were forever complaining about lag and bugs.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭✭✭NoI'm confused by all the people saying the game was so much better when it was subscription only.
As I remember it there was only 1 new release that year (Cranlorn) and people were forever complaining about lag and bugs.
Yep. They had to work on the console releases. Seems as though the sub only period was a paid beta for them to get the console versions ready to release. No way of knowing what would have been without the consoles involved.The most complaints were gold sellers and bots however. There was lag and there were bugs, but the gold sellers and bots were the worst.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoI'm confused by all the people saying the game was so much better when it was subscription only.
As I remember it there was only 1 new release that year (Cranlorn) and people were forever complaining about lag and bugs.
Yep. They had to work on the console releases. Seems as though the sub only period was a paid beta for them to get the console versions ready to release. No way of knowing what would have been without the consoles involved.The most complaints were gold sellers and bots however. There was lag and there were bugs, but the gold sellers and bots were the worst.
Those got cleaned up in the first four or five months, as I recall. But, yeah, that was a trainwreck.0 -
Entegre✭✭✭NoNoo, by the eight, no. I am even against it going discounted regularly. Cheaper the game cheaper the player Base.2 -
LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭NoThe real question is, WHY ARE AAA COMPANIES HIRING THESE PEOPLE?
I think they do it for greater good. See, these people would not disappear if they were not hired by online casinos, they would go on and get jobs in power plants, water management companies, hospitals or agriculture. I do not even dare to imagine what could these people pull off there. And so videogaming companies decided to protect mankind by containing them and keeping them busy where they do relatively little harm.
It is basically the same reason they hire awful programmers. We can not have ZOS's programmers writing, say, updates for software controlling nuclear reactors, can we?
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LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭NoStovahkiin wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »
Look at all those games that F2P saved... like... uh... oh.
Exactly, SWTOR went free to play and now charges non subs for ridiculous things, and despite being f2p it has a much much much smaller player base. When I left, it was barely able to fill one of its servers with people, when it used to have a good number of people in multiple servers.
The development decisions and level of effort put into designing things went into the toilet as well.
I just recently started to check out a few mmos I haven't played in quite some time (this being one of them) out of boredom and I get the impression SWTOR has like 5 people working on it these days.
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Jemcrystal✭✭✭✭✭OtherI voted other because I think there should be f2p trial weekends. Reason being I see all over the internet "can my system run this game?" Well, trial would be the way to find out. But yeah I am not for loosing the box price. The game is perfect as it is price wise.1 -
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✭✭✭NoWay more often than not, f2p very, very quickly winds up monetizing everything and diving head first into p2w."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0
