Players Beware

gard · December 2016

Our guild has an application process along with a 30 day minimum probationary period. Then 5 members must vote to make the person a member.

Works well across many games and platforms. (We're not just eso)

Elsonso · December 2016

gard wrote: »

Our guild has an application process along with a 30 day minimum probationary period. Then 5 members must vote to make the person a member.

Works well across many games and platforms. (We're not just eso)

That sounds like way too much work, and how can you be sure someone isn't stringing you along for 30 days, schmoozing the right people, and then scamming you when your back is turned?

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

I agree, the only fail safe way to know someone isn't out to scam you is to give that person access in the first place. No amount of waiting or convoluted process is gonna weed them out.

snakester320 · December 2016

i absolutely hate scum pos that rip other ppl off.. they should be shamed everywhere forums zone chat .. EVERYWHERE! Hope ZOS pull there finger out and ban there Arses permanently !! That said one of the main reason why I roll alone as well is to many dogs out there looking to steal/scam ppl out of there hard earnt stuff! Best of luck getting your stuff back lets hope with the right evidence ZOS can fix the issue and ban the scum!!

FireCowCommando · December 2016

I had a friend who was a bite scammer, he would do whatever you asked of him except bite you until you had paid him.

He had stolen hundreds of thousands of gold from players without ever biting a single one, it took months for ZoS to finally take action against him, and all they did was take away the gold on his account.

He wasnt banned, and he was livid that his hard earned gold had been wrongfully taken from him. He wanted to play this game as a thief, scamming every person 'foolish' enough to put their trust in him.

It was extremely entertaining to listen to him try to explain why he had been wronged by ZoS. But obviously he was a messed up individual.

Shadow-Fighter · December 2016

@KillingUGirl

Hiding is worst thing you can make, be strong, your guild need you!

timidobserver · December 2016

KICHZY wrote: »

This is why I run solo in MMO's.

Yup that one random person that had a bad experience among the other thousands that have a good experience is good reasons to go solo.......

Remorseless · December 2016

What's your in game name or @ name @KillingUGirl

Jeremy · December 2016

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Of course we all know this and we need to be very careful of in game dealings but our guild was just scammed by a group of players in game offering to help. Long story short they basically took everything we had. I know all of you will say it's our fault for trusting people in game but it's a sad world when you can't trust people and it's sad when you can't play a game like this and enjoy it because of mean people like this. What's even sadder still is the fact that there is nothing that can be done. Of course forum rules and zenimax protect crooks like this and we can't name names and publically call them out so others can be warned, so they know there is nothing we can do about and will continue to prey upon and exploit people. So just beware and learn from the huge mistake we made I wish I could tell you who it is so you could stay away so this doesn't happen to you but like I said the rules protect the crooks. What's worse is most people you can pick up on the fact that they are pulling a fast one but with these people they must have zero conscience because they are very convincing. They are offering to help you out, craft your players stuff etc. they are also advertising crafting services in chat. I wish there was a way players like this could be banned I've spent a lot of real money in the game and now I don't even feel like playing anymore I lost everything I had worked for I'm really not sure how people can be this mean and just seem like normal people, especially when our people are so giving, that's what's sad is that our players are probably the most giving players in the game constantly helping others and giving people stuff and stuff like this has to happen to them. Be careful out there there aren't too many players you can actually trust.

How did they take everything you had?

It would be better if you described in more detail the scam, especially if you are wanting to warn others about it.

Never mind.

Seems like you just did this in the above post.

Vrienda · December 2016

KICHZY wrote: »

This is why I run solo in MMO's.

Ditto. Solo and pugs are the way to go. Use secure trading like the AH or CoD if you need something. Craft everything yourself.

ZOS_DaryaK · December 2016

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Flowersquisher · December 2016

KillingUGirl wrote: »

what happened exactly (with out the names), if possible, paragraphs please - i know story structure can be a little tough, when you're fired up...

hopefully if you share your story/details - it can help prevent something similar happening to someone else...

I'm not sure why, maybe the season, but this story really made me sad, and i'd like to offer help. I know you are probably a little out of sorts right now, but i would like to help. If you are on PC/NA, sent me a message and i'll craft for you. My game tag is the same as my forum tag. I'm 9 trait everything, as well as food and potions, but my motifs are not full. If your guildies don't care about the look, but want armor or whatever crafted, I'd be happy to help. No need to give bank permissions and no strings attached. I sincerely want to help.

Buffler · December 2016

Dont put anything in ur guild bank you arent afraid to lose.

Live by that and you'll be fine.

geonsocal · December 2016

thank you for sharing that @KillingUGirl ...I get what you're saying - it's not so much the stuff, but, rather the hateful act this person committed...

I know it's not easy and it sounds cliche - but, you truly need to rise above this moment...

take it as a lesson learned (painful one)...understand that we here are not the final judge...take comfort in knowing your actions were not the cause of this event - but, rather the actions of another with little to no soul...

religion aside - i'm a pretty strong believer in the fact that at some point we all must answer for our actions...whether it be "karma", "divine intervention" or simply horrible dreams (my father was cursed with those, he was not always a very good person) - it's hard to imagine with this sort of behavior the creep whom did this will not be humbled at some point in their life, maybe they'll even learn to respect others...

sure "it's just a game"...but, it's a game involving real people with real feelings and real relationships...

let the feeling of righteous indignation shield you against this individual going forward - be secure in the fact that this individual has shown you their true face and - as a human being they are seriously lacking...

I wish you the very best KillingUGirl

KillingUGirl · December 2016

Flowersquisher wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

what happened exactly (with out the names), if possible, paragraphs please - i know story structure can be a little tough, when you're fired up...

hopefully if you share your story/details - it can help prevent something similar happening to someone else...

I'm not sure why, maybe the season, but this story really made me sad, and i'd like to offer help. I know you are probably a little out of sorts right now, but i would like to help. If you are on PC/NA, sent me a message and i'll craft for you. My game tag is the same as my forum tag. I'm 9 trait everything, as well as food and potions, but my motifs are not full. If your guildies don't care about the look, but want armor or whatever crafted, I'd be happy to help. No need to give bank permissions and no strings attached. I sincerely want to help.

Thanks so much that is very kind of you and I truly appreciate it and all the other offers!! I am however on XBOX North America, but again thank you

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Thealteregoroman · December 2016

KICHZY wrote: »

This is why I run solo in MMO's.

ArchMikem · December 2016

KillingUGirl wrote: »

During the process I also noticed that he was in zone chat advertising, and then would bring a lot players into his Xbox voice group and give the appearance of helping them out with really good deals on getting stuff made and he seemed like he and a couple others were very helpful. I realized later they were running a scam on all these people and ripping them off by taking their Gold. I stupidly gave him access to the bank instead of just pulling the mats out myself, he cleaned up the bank and organized it, I told him the sets we would need and he said he would get right ot it. Later on while playing all of sudden he left the guild and I was kicked from their Xbox group. My stomach sank and I checked the bank and it was all gone.

Actually starting to wonder if the guy makes Youtube videos out of this, people like this love to show off.

Stopnaggin · December 2016

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Flowersquisher wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

what happened exactly (with out the names), if possible, paragraphs please - i know story structure can be a little tough, when you're fired up...

hopefully if you share your story/details - it can help prevent something similar happening to someone else...

I'm not sure why, maybe the season, but this story really made me sad, and i'd like to offer help. I know you are probably a little out of sorts right now, but i would like to help. If you are on PC/NA, sent me a message and i'll craft for you. My game tag is the same as my forum tag. I'm 9 trait everything, as well as food and potions, but my motifs are not full. If your guildies don't care about the look, but want armor or whatever crafted, I'd be happy to help. No need to give bank permissions and no strings attached. I sincerely want to help.

Thanks so much that is very kind of you and I truly appreciate it and all the other offers!! I am however on XBOX North America, but again thank you .

Let me know what you may need, I can try and help as best as I can, I have tempers, reagents, and such, not 9 traits yet but willing to help recover.

Dragonnord · December 2016

KillingUGirl wrote: »

...I lost everything I had worked for...

@KillingUGirl May I please know what do you mean with "everything"? What did you lose?

Thank you in advance.

GreenhaloX · December 2016

That's it. Good for you for learning from just a mistake and moving on. Darn shame people are that low that they are conning others in a game. However, I see the good ZOS folks stepping in, and hopefully, we can see some form of justice come your way.

laksikus · December 2016

The funny thing with these kind of stories, you never know who the actual scammer is.

Who tells us, that you right now, arent trying to scam ZOS into giving you free stuff?

If someone took something from you, its your own fault. Zos shouldn't give you anything back at all, and never should have for anyone.

Instead they create free stuff out of thin air and send them to people who could aswell lie themself about being scammed

vonScuzzman · December 2016

What's mine is mine, and what I put in the guild bank I don't want back.

EnviousStruggle · December 2016

just imagine

the OP have an agreement, outside of the game ofc, in skype for example
with his officers
they will withdraw all stuff from guild bank
and then OP came here and wrote crying story
and ZOS will give him what he lost

legitimate DUPE

like in steam

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Some of the comments in this thread are very insensitive. My trading guilds have a basic rule of thumb... don't put anything into the bank that you can't afford to lose. Valuable items are sent to raffle officers for safe holding. Never trust people you hardly know.

Solid_Metal · December 2016

KillingUGirl wrote: »

what happened exactly (with out the names), if possible, paragraphs please - i know story structure can be a little tough, when you're fired up...

hopefully if you share your story/details - it can help prevent something similar happening to someone else...

Sorry not very good at reliving the details but basically we have a smal, (40 member) guild ranging from lvl25 to cp524. I have been very strict as only three of us have access to the bank. We had quite a little Stash saved up of mostly crafting materials and quite a few high end temps, mats etc. There are a lot of sincere people in the guild looking just for a place to have fun and learn, grow, be a community etc. and we really go out of our way to help others. I wanted to do something really nice for them so I found a guy who was supposedly a reputable player and his friends that also supposedly were helping a lot of people out, he seemed like a good fit. I wanted to build a good guild that took care of our people so I wanted to surprise some struggling members with some really nice armor so he agreed to be our crafter, craft sets for members as we needed and I would take care of him with mats and gold etc. I wanted it to be like Christmas lol. During the process I also noticed that he was in zone chat advertising, and then would bring a lot players into his Xbox voice group and give the appearance of helping them out with really good deals on getting stuff made and he seemed like he and a couple others were very helpful. I realized later they were running a scam on all these people and ripping them off by taking their Gold. I stupidly gave him access to the bank instead of just pulling the mats out myself, he cleaned up the bank and organized it, I told him the sets we would need and he said he would get right ot it. Later on while playing all of sudden he left the guild and I was kicked from their Xbox group. My stomach sank and I checked the bank and it was all gone.

Please don't flame lol I realize This was totally my fault and usually I'm very cautious but here I just let the excitement of getting armor for a few of my guild memebrs, and the hopes of building a nice guild that helped others, and my laziness override my commen sense lol. It was a lesson learned for sure.

The stuff doesn't really matter to me it's just stuff we can work hard and get it back. For me without sounding to overly dramatic and draining, I just feel very violated and like I stated I am having a hard time being in game because I'm afraid I will run into them. It also feels like he is representative of most people in the game although I know this is not the case. I want to be fight back like @LegendaryMage, but also I want to just hide because I feel like it's a bad environment now,. Maybe I'll change my name and move to bhetnik lol!! I guess maybe I'm a bit too sensitive because Im a girl and not as tough as you guys lol! But I am always shocked at mean people I guess I take it too personally. Afterwards I sent him a message saying please tell me you didn't rip us off and he sent back of course I did with smileys and thumbs ups and money emoticons. He is pretty sadistic and has sent me very cruel messages, I kept him as a friend on Xbox because I wanted the proof of our convos and what he was saying to maybe get him busted. He is in various zone chats and especially in Alik'r desert advertising crafting services. He seems very genuine and sincere so be very careful.

Bottom line is This scenario could have easliy been avoided, I was just stupid and had a momentary lack of commen sense and it was totally my fault. A huge noob mistake. I apologize for bringing this into the forums to vent. Initially I thought maybe I could help warn others about him since I know they are ripping a lot of people off. But I realized I can't really point him and the others out so my post, so like I said, this became more of a rant than a beneficial help to others.

Lessons learned, be smart and diligent in who you trust. Be very wary, wise and cautious when dealing with others. I should have just paid cod to some crafter to make the items and it would have worked out better. There are simple steps you can take to protect yourself I just forgot those. Sorry @geonsocal this probably isn't as detailed and structured as you were asking for, I'm still fired up, but hopefully people can ultimately learn from my mistake. Thanks again everyone I appreciate your wisdom and kind offers and I apologize for my rantings. Merry Christmas everyone!! I hope you all have a good one!!

damn...that was pretty heart breaking, hopefully admin can get it sort for you

Solid_Metal · December 2016

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ManwithBeard9 · December 2016

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

just imagine

the OP have an agreement, outside of the game ofc, in skype for example
with his officers
they will withdraw all stuff from guild bank
and then OP came here and wrote crying story
and ZOS will give him what he lost

legitimate DUPE

like in steam

Except that ZOS has the game logs and can see EXACTLY who took everything out, so your theory does not hold water.

Hand_Bacon · December 2016

Lessons learned, even at a steep price, are still lessons learned. I empathize with everyone who has lost time to those who invest theirs in taking advantage of others.

EnviousStruggle · December 2016

@ManwithBeard9
no, lol
its possible
no matter who withdraw everything, just not OP
and he can create a story they stolen everything when in fact they have agreement between each other

ManwithBeard9 · December 2016

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

@ManwithBeard9
no, lol
its possible
no matter who withdraw everything, just not OP
and he can create a story they stolen everything when in fact they have agreement between each other

No, not possible. Unless the other person had a second account and uses a VPN, ZOS would be able to expose a lie quickly. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.