Master Crafter Title needs to be added to the game

Daz_dingoeb17_ESO · December 2016

How about we get a master crafter title if:

- character has all craft skill lines maxed
- character has learned all motifs of the base game
- character is able to make at least epic quality of food/drinks glyphs and armor/weapons
- character has researched all traits available

if those requirements are met then we should get the title and that way people will immediately know that you are a master crafter.

there could also be lesser titles like
- Master Blacksmith(if you can make epic gear have maxed the skill line and you have all blacksmithing traits researched)
- Master Clothier( the same requirements as above)
- Master Woodworker(same as above)
- Master Provisioner(able to make epic food/drinks and maxed skill line)
- Master Enchanter (able to make epic glyphs and maxed skill line)
- Master Alchemist (able to make best potions and maxed skill line)

It seems so strange to me that in a game with such a deep crafting system there is a lack of titles for the players that have dedicated their whole game time on it. Please Zenimax the crafting community needs this(also armor/weapon preview but that is another story for another post) Thanks for reading

Recremen · December 2016

I do so love the meta-achievement ideas, it would make linking your skills that much easier! Right now you have to link like 30 different achievements to let people know that you are, indeed, knowledgeable in All The Things.

starkerealm · December 2016

Yeah, what I want is more random tells demanding weird, non-nonsensical, crafting orders. "No, the armor I'm wearing is a costume, it can't be crafted." "No, I can't make Hunding's Rage Jewelry, because that's not a thing." "No, I can't make you ****ing Viper you stupid ****! Stop asking!"

BlackEar · December 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, what I want is more random tells demanding weird, non-nonsensical, crafting orders. "No, the armor I'm wearing is a costume, it can't be crafted." "No, I can't make Hunding's Rage Jewelry, because that's not a thing." "No, I can't make you ****ing Viper you stupid ****! Stop asking!"

What does that have to do with anything?

At op, I agree and I feel this achievement is long overdue. But your epic quality requirement doesn't work as it will require you to invest skill points into the category to get the achievement, which is bad design.

Runs · December 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, what I want is more random tells demanding weird, non-nonsensical, crafting orders. "No, the armor I'm wearing is a costume, it can't be crafted." "No, I can't make Hunding's Rage Jewelry, because that's not a thing." "No, I can't make you ****ing Viper you stupid ****! Stop asking!"

Then sends one third of the CP 160 mats required, 2 of the high priced style materials they want it crafted in, and one tempering alloy. For a 1 full set and 1 partial set all to be made legendary.

And get's pissed off when you return the mail.

I think the titles would be good though. It may not be proof you will craft an item for someone, but it would be proof you can.

Enslaved · December 2016

BlackEar wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, what I want is more random tells demanding weird, non-nonsensical, crafting orders. "No, the armor I'm wearing is a costume, it can't be crafted." "No, I can't make Hunding's Rage Jewelry, because that's not a thing." "No, I can't make you ****ing Viper you stupid ****! Stop asking!"

What does that have to do with anything?

At op, I agree and I feel this achievement is long overdue. But your epic quality requirement doesn't work as it will require you to invest skill points into the category to get the achievement, which is bad design.

Why you think that? It can be related to knowing all 9 traits and making few pieces of gold gear in every craft. You can respec and take points out afterwards.

saxgooner · December 2016

It would be great for business as I too have full crafting and it can't be that difficult to give us some small recognition

starkerealm · December 2016

Enslaved wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, what I want is more random tells demanding weird, non-nonsensical, crafting orders. "No, the armor I'm wearing is a costume, it can't be crafted." "No, I can't make Hunding's Rage Jewelry, because that's not a thing." "No, I can't make you ****ing Viper you stupid ****! Stop asking!"

What does that have to do with anything?

At op, I agree and I feel this achievement is long overdue. But your epic quality requirement doesn't work as it will require you to invest skill points into the category to get the achievement, which is bad design.

Why you think that? It can be related to knowing all 9 traits and making few pieces of gold gear in every craft. You can respec and take points out afterwards.

Experience.

I'm actually going to link an old thread of horror stories, if you really want to see why this specific one is a horrible idea. Or, more specifically, why equipping the title would be a horrible idea.

starkerealm · December 2016

BlackEar wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, what I want is more random tells demanding weird, non-nonsensical, crafting orders. "No, the armor I'm wearing is a costume, it can't be crafted." "No, I can't make Hunding's Rage Jewelry, because that's not a thing." "No, I can't make you ****ing Viper you stupid ****! Stop asking!"

What does that have to do with anything?

Equipping a master crafter title would be, effectively, advertising yourself as a crafter. Now, if you want to do that, that's cool. It's your choice. But, as a full 9 trait crafter, I can honestly say, crafting orders from randos are the worst. Especially unsolicited ones.

Those aren't random examples above by the way. I've had someone ask me to craft them gear in the style I was wearing the Nord Hero costume. I've had someone who wanted Hunding's Rage Jewelry. I've had people ordering Vicious Death and Viper before. I even had someone who got really irked with me when I wouldn't craft them Kena pieces.

@runs nailed it. Though I've never had the, "here, I've got one Temper to pay for an entire gold set," personally (that I remember anyway), though I do remember a player who thought 5k gold was enough to pay for a full gold set without providing mats.

...and of course @XDragonDoomX has his Vampire set story.

There's a very real reason why, when someone's asking for a nine trait crafter in zone, they have to keep asking for awhile, and it's not because we don't exist... it's because the ****er wants Ashen Grip. *headdesks*

BlackEar · December 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, what I want is more random tells demanding weird, non-nonsensical, crafting orders. "No, the armor I'm wearing is a costume, it can't be crafted." "No, I can't make Hunding's Rage Jewelry, because that's not a thing." "No, I can't make you ****ing Viper you stupid ****! Stop asking!"

What does that have to do with anything?

Equipping a master crafter title would be, effectively, advertising yourself as a crafter. Now, if you want to do that, that's cool. It's your choice. But, as a full 9 trait crafter, I can honestly say, crafting orders from randos are the worst. Especially unsolicited ones.

Those aren't random examples above by the way. I've had someone ask me to craft them gear in the style I was wearing the Nord Hero costume. I've had someone who wanted Hunding's Rage Jewelry. I've had people ordering Vicious Death and Viper before. I even had someone who got really irked with me when I wouldn't craft them Kena pieces.

@runs nailed it. Though I've never had the, "here, I've got one Temper to pay for an entire gold set," personally (that I remember anyway), though I do remember a player who thought 5k gold was enough to pay for a full gold set without providing mats.

...and of course @XDragonDoomX has his Vampire set story.

There's a very real reason why, when someone's asking for a nine trait crafter in zone, they have to keep asking for awhile, and it's not because we don't exist... it's because the ****er wants Ashen Grip. *headdesks*

I am a maxed crafter as well and haven't experienced those issues, fortunately. You can simply choose not to wear the titl if it was implemented. I can't be bothered crafting for non guildies, even if they tip which is why I don't reply. Not because they ar obnoxious just because I don't want to spend time doing it.

Enslaved wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, what I want is more random tells demanding weird, non-nonsensical, crafting orders. "No, the armor I'm wearing is a costume, it can't be crafted." "No, I can't make Hunding's Rage Jewelry, because that's not a thing." "No, I can't make you ****ing Viper you stupid ****! Stop asking!"

What does that have to do with anything?

At op, I agree and I feel this achievement is long overdue. But your epic quality requirement doesn't work as it will require you to invest skill points into the category to get the achievement, which is bad design.

Why you think that? It can be related to knowing all 9 traits and making few pieces of gold gear in every craft. You can respec and take points out afterwards.

You already have the achievement that comes with crafting a legendary quality item which supercedes your idea of an epic quality item so it doesn't add anything that isn't already there, hence why it shouldn't be implemented. Trait researched sure, and skill level of course, but keep out skill points.

Taleof2Cities · December 2016

BlackEar wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, what I want is more random tells demanding weird, non-nonsensical, crafting orders. "No, the armor I'm wearing is a costume, it can't be crafted." "No, I can't make Hunding's Rage Jewelry, because that's not a thing." "No, I can't make you ****ing Viper you stupid ****! Stop asking!"

What does that have to do with anything?

At op, I agree and I feel this achievement is long overdue. But your epic quality requirement doesn't work as it will require you to invest skill points into the category to get the achievement, which is bad design.

I also disagree with this statement. Why would you be a master crafter and not be able to make the best possible gear (which is gold quality)?

BlackEar · December 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, what I want is more random tells demanding weird, non-nonsensical, crafting orders. "No, the armor I'm wearing is a costume, it can't be crafted." "No, I can't make Hunding's Rage Jewelry, because that's not a thing." "No, I can't make you ****ing Viper you stupid ****! Stop asking!"

What does that have to do with anything?

At op, I agree and I feel this achievement is long overdue. But your epic quality requirement doesn't work as it will require you to invest skill points into the category to get the achievement, which is bad design.

I also disagree with this statement. Why would you be a master crafter and not be able to make the best possible gear (which is gold quality)?

The way achievements work is that they don't get removed if you do not meet the requirements after already achieving it, so people would simply respec after getting the achievement, so what is the point then? You already are level fifty so you can make legendary, why would you need to spend points to unlock the achievement and instant respec. It makes no sense.

Taleof2Cities · December 2016

Another important question is which players have their achievement for Grand Master Crafting Harvester. This achievement is on par in difficulty with collecting all the motif chapters.

starkerealm · December 2016

BlackEar wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, what I want is more random tells demanding weird, non-nonsensical, crafting orders. "No, the armor I'm wearing is a costume, it can't be crafted." "No, I can't make Hunding's Rage Jewelry, because that's not a thing." "No, I can't make you ****ing Viper you stupid ****! Stop asking!"

What does that have to do with anything?

Equipping a master crafter title would be, effectively, advertising yourself as a crafter. Now, if you want to do that, that's cool. It's your choice. But, as a full 9 trait crafter, I can honestly say, crafting orders from randos are the worst. Especially unsolicited ones.

Those aren't random examples above by the way. I've had someone ask me to craft them gear in the style I was wearing the Nord Hero costume. I've had someone who wanted Hunding's Rage Jewelry. I've had people ordering Vicious Death and Viper before. I even had someone who got really irked with me when I wouldn't craft them Kena pieces.

@runs nailed it. Though I've never had the, "here, I've got one Temper to pay for an entire gold set," personally (that I remember anyway), though I do remember a player who thought 5k gold was enough to pay for a full gold set without providing mats.

...and of course @XDragonDoomX has his Vampire set story.

There's a very real reason why, when someone's asking for a nine trait crafter in zone, they have to keep asking for awhile, and it's not because we don't exist... it's because the ****er wants Ashen Grip. *headdesks*

I am a maxed crafter as well and haven't experienced those issues, fortunately. You can simply choose not to wear the titl if it was implemented. I can't be bothered crafting for non guildies, even if they tip which is why I don't reply. Not because they ar obnoxious just because I don't want to spend time doing it.

I used to. I still do occasionally when I've nothing better to do. But, if you've ever made the mistake of admitting you're a high grade crafter in zone, things can go downhill fast.

It's not like there aren't ways to show off you're a crafter, but fortunately most people can't recognize nirncrux red, motif master brown, or truly legendary's blue on sight. And, I don't think I've ever worn any of the crafting skill line completion dies. Maybe the Enchanter's dye, I'm not sure.

starkerealm · December 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Another important question is which players have their achievement for Grand Master Crafting Harvester. This achievement is on par in difficulty with collecting all the motif chapters.

No, it's considerably easier, just time consuming. Same with the associated refiner achievement. I think they've got dyes associated with them, but I don't remember what they are, and don't have the time to log in and check at the moment.

Edziu · December 2016

Daz_dingoeb17_ESO wrote: »

- character has learned all motifs of the base game

+ title which you can have by have learned all motifs to one before last patch (so every 3 months -larger patch this title will be updating with requiment to have learned next motifs from patch before)

starkerealm · December 2016

Edziu wrote: »

Daz_dingoeb17_ESO wrote: »

- character has learned all motifs of the base game

+ title which you can have by have learned all motifs to one before last patch (so every 3 months -larger patch this title will be updating with requiment to have learned next motifs from patch before)

*Vomits blood.*

BlackEar · December 2016

Edziu wrote: »

Daz_dingoeb17_ESO wrote: »

- character has learned all motifs of the base game

+ title which you can have by have learned all motifs to one before last patch (so every 3 months -larger patch this title will be updating with requiment to have learned next motifs from patch before)

Again, achievements don't work like this.

OrphanHelgen · December 2016

I already have too much titles. Who want master clothier anyway, its nothing to be proud of. I agree on master crafter, but drop all the others.

Taleof2Cities · December 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Another important question is which players have their achievement for Grand Master Crafting Harvester. This achievement is on par in difficulty with collecting all the motif chapters.

No, it's considerably easier, just time consuming. Same with the associated refiner achievement. I think they've got dyes associated with them, but I don't remember what they are, and don't have the time to log in and check at the moment.

Not so sure I agree ... with the number of exotic motifs in the crown store and for sale at guild vendors, these are getting easier to obtain. Players could be content to wait until the motif is in the crown store without spending a single minute on the grind.

DRXHarbinger · December 2016

It's not really an achievement though...wow you waited for 5 months to do your research and found a few books by accident or bought them and spammed deconstruct for hours on end....

Sounds as bad as master angler...I stood in the same spots for weeks on end fishing in a game..why that was ever a title is beyond me.

BlackEar · December 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's not really an achievement though...wow you waited for 5 months to do your research and found a few books by accident or bought them and spammed deconstruct for hours on end....

Sounds as bad as master angler...I stood in the same spots for weeks on end fishing in a game..why that was ever a title is beyond me.

Some achievements require skill, some luck, some determination, some exploring. There is something for everyone's taste. Why that is beyond you is... insightful.

DRXHarbinger · December 2016

BlackEar wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's not really an achievement though...wow you waited for 5 months to do your research and found a few books by accident or bought them and spammed deconstruct for hours on end....

Sounds as bad as master angler...I stood in the same spots for weeks on end fishing in a game..why that was ever a title is beyond me.

Some achievements require skill, some luck, some determination, some exploring. There is something for everyone's taste. Why that is beyond you is... insightful.

That's like saying becoming obese is an achievement. It's nothing to be proud of. But you achieved it...doesn't mean you get a glorious title. You get labelled a fat burden.

BlackEar · December 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's not really an achievement though...wow you waited for 5 months to do your research and found a few books by accident or bought them and spammed deconstruct for hours on end....

Sounds as bad as master angler...I stood in the same spots for weeks on end fishing in a game..why that was ever a title is beyond me.

Some achievements require skill, some luck, some determination, some exploring. There is something for everyone's taste. Why that is beyond you is... insightful.

That's like saying becoming obese is an achievement. It's nothing to be proud of. But you achieved it...doesn't mean you get a glorious title. You get labelled a fat burden.

No, it is not even close to comparable... lol.

DRXHarbinger · December 2016

BlackEar wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's not really an achievement though...wow you waited for 5 months to do your research and found a few books by accident or bought them and spammed deconstruct for hours on end....

Sounds as bad as master angler...I stood in the same spots for weeks on end fishing in a game..why that was ever a title is beyond me.

Some achievements require skill, some luck, some determination, some exploring. There is something for everyone's taste. Why that is beyond you is... insightful.

That's like saying becoming obese is an achievement. It's nothing to be proud of. But you achieved it...doesn't mean you get a glorious title. You get labelled a fat burden.

No, it is not even close to comparable... lol.

Of course they are. Both achieved from being lazy and sweaty and not bothering to do anything else (slightly OTT) but it takes no effort at all to "achieve" max ranks on crafting and buy a few books, and again buy all traits items and research them.

BlackEar · December 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's not really an achievement though...wow you waited for 5 months to do your research and found a few books by accident or bought them and spammed deconstruct for hours on end....

Sounds as bad as master angler...I stood in the same spots for weeks on end fishing in a game..why that was ever a title is beyond me.

Some achievements require skill, some luck, some determination, some exploring. There is something for everyone's taste. Why that is beyond you is... insightful.

That's like saying becoming obese is an achievement. It's nothing to be proud of. But you achieved it...doesn't mean you get a glorious title. You get labelled a fat burden.

No, it is not even close to comparable... lol.

Of course they are. Both achieved from being lazy and sweaty and not bothering to do anything else (slightly OTT) but it takes no effort at all to "achieve" max ranks on crafting and buy a few books, and again buy all traits items and research them.

Completing vMOL gets you labeled a nerd by many. Now so you see why your comparison fails to hold up ? Different strokes for different folks. Nothing more, nothing less and not worth discussing.

Karius_Imalthar · December 2016

I agree that some sort of master crafter title should be added. I have put a lot of time and gold into mastering all crafts, researching all traits, and learning all motifs.

Truthfully you can't make a title based on knowing all motifs since there are now two that were available only through the crown store.

What happens when a new motif or trait is added? Does everyone lose their title until they can learn the new things?

Jeremy · December 2016

Daz_dingoeb17_ESO wrote: »

How about we get a master crafter title if:

- character has all craft skill lines maxed
- character has learned all motifs of the base game
- character is able to make at least epic quality of food/drinks glyphs and armor/weapons
- character has researched all traits available

if those requirements are met then we should get the title and that way people will immediately know that you are a master crafter.

there could also be lesser titles like
- Master Blacksmith(if you can make epic gear have maxed the skill line and you have all blacksmithing traits researched)
- Master Clothier( the same requirements as above)
- Master Woodworker(same as above)
- Master Provisioner(able to make epic food/drinks and maxed skill line)
- Master Enchanter (able to make epic glyphs and maxed skill line)
- Master Alchemist (able to make best potions and maxed skill line)

It seems so strange to me that in a game with such a deep crafting system there is a lack of titles for the players that have dedicated their whole game time on it. Please Zenimax the crafting community needs this(also armor/weapon preview but that is another story for another post) Thanks for reading

It would be nice to see some titles that actually have a practical purpose - such as alerting players you have the necessary skill to craft something they may need.

So I like this idea.

starkerealm · December 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Another important question is which players have their achievement for Grand Master Crafting Harvester. This achievement is on par in difficulty with collecting all the motif chapters.

No, it's considerably easier, just time consuming. Same with the associated refiner achievement. I think they've got dyes associated with them, but I don't remember what they are, and don't have the time to log in and check at the moment.

Not so sure I agree ... with the number of exotic motifs in the crown store and for sale at guild vendors, these are getting easier to obtain. Players could be content to wait until the motif is in the crown store without spending a single minute on the grind.

So... Honest question, have you ever actually tried to put a full motif together from guild kiosks? Or are you just looking at the gestalt and saying, "yeah, it's all out there, right?"

Because, it's not. You can get a lot of pieces, but actually finding all 14 pieces in kiosks will, realistically take a couple hours, and chew up a week's worth of gold. Then repeat 20 times, and learn that, in fact, no one is selling Thieves Guild helms, because FML.

starkerealm · December 2016

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

I agree that some sort of master crafter title should be added. I have put a lot of time and gold into mastering all crafts, researching all traits, and learning all motifs.

Truthfully you can't make a title based on knowing all motifs since there are now two that were available only through the crown store.

What happens when a new motif or trait is added? Does everyone lose their title until they can learn the new things?

Oh, right, that reminds me...

*Vomits more blood.*

Also, bonus points for the inevitable, idiotic drama when new motifs are added as drop sets, but not yet craftable, and some rando is angrily demanding you make stuff for them in that style because they saw it on ESO Fashion and you're wearing the "Fashion Slave" title.

starkerealm · December 2016

Also... It occurs to me... How would this title work with regards to Stalhrim and Grim Harliquen?

Also Skinchanger and Hollowjack, come to think of it.