kargen27 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Make them account wide. I have been after this for a long time. The people who will argue against this are usually casuals anyway that do not take the time to get the ones that take weeks and months to get. At this point it is nearly impossible to get them all with how often content is released much less on up to 11 alts and now there are miss-able acheivements. What happens when you make an alt after the fact. Just ignore Sigtric these achievement threads always have one of those guys who bark against without an actual argument.

So, someone being lazy, not wanting to do whats required to earn things on new characters is calling others casuals? That's golden. A+

The actual argument is if you want something, do the required content to get it.

"My character didn't do it, I did" Is a cop out. I leveled one toon from 1 to 50. Should all the others not have to?
I did all the quests in Ebonheart Pact on one toon, should all the others automatically complete them too?
That's dumb.

Sorry but some of this is already in there anyway, you level a main, you got cp, guess what you roll a new toon you have that cp.

I agree some should remain per character, some should also be shared. Seriously if I have the master angler achievement on 1 toon, I have done the required work to earn that. Why should I have to do it again. When I cleared HM SOTH I can use the skin on any character, even though my alt hasn't run it. In all honest some of the achievements are just time sinks and don't mean anything, ie monster hunter, master angler.

You have done the work to earn master angler one time. Why should you get the title twice? Your other characters get the benefit of your first finishing (four dyes I think) why do they need the title without earning it?

I know one player who has the master fisherman on six characters and is working on a 7th. I think that is very impressive. I managed it on two and not sure if I am going to work a third or not. Wouldn't be near as impressive if it were not earned each time.

Cryptical wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Why should the completionist suffer because you want to play make believe like it's you who's doing all these things and not the different characters you control?

Kermit the frog does nothing without being controlled by a puppeteer.

Fictional characters do NOTHING on their own motivation or with their own skills.

It is ALWAYS the motivation and skill of the person controlling the fictional character that determines success or failure.

Even you allude to this when you refer to them as "characters you control" instead of simply as characters.

When you die in a duel or get rekt in cyrodiil, is it you who needs to 'git gud' or is it the character who needs to improve? If it's the character and not you who earned the titles, then you should start yelling at your character for every loss in pvp. Which would be quite absurd - but it is also absurd to try and act as if the person controlling the character is not the true earner of the titles.

Artis wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Cerbolt wrote: »

Agreed. I'd rather not have to do the same repetitive thing on each of my characters, it gets old fast.

You don't have to do it now unless you feel a strange need to have your kevel 1 character in Coldharbour sporting Grand Overlord or Master Angler.

the achieves that vary between characters show what I have done with them and how each differs, my templar has stuff my NB main probably never will and vica versa... differences like these are what make playing more than one character worthwhile.

ZOS already give us everything material to share between toons so why ruin one of the few remaining things that makes progressing multiple toons fun?

So how are those costumes, pets and mementos that you earned/bought on one character but use on more than one? The hypocrisy of some people... Or how about that gear you loot on one character but then deposit to your bank so that other characters can use it? Or crafting on one character for other characters even though they don't "deserve" those things because they didn't level craft? Do you also count how many CP each character earned to only use that amount? Oh maybe you don't use dyes or skins? pfft.

No, no one is saying to have stormproof on new characters.

It's been said in other threads like this and even in this one. Grindy achievements - account-wide. Skill-based achievements that theoretically require just the skill (like titles for vet trials or vMA) - only for a character. It's fair and logical. And doesn't ruin the game for people who care about their progress as a player. Like, it sucks that I got 2 or 3 collectible while running dungeons on my alts and I don't have them on my main created back in 2014.

No one is trying to kill your progress for different toons. You will still have that. It's just that others will see the achievements overall + you will see if it's completed on this specific character. See WoW's achievement system. It's almost perfect.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

And there are quite a few issues with the "account wide achievement" idea. Like... how to check which character is missing which skyshards, or crafting motivs, or exploraction locations, or such... Of course, the same people who always whine about account wide achievements usually also whine about account wide crafting research and skyshards (and riding training); and get a little fuzzy on the idea of that actually having game effects (like skill points and exploration XP). And of course, there is that sillyness of an newly made alt being allowed to flaunt a "Stormproof" or "Boethiahs Scythe" or similar title which makes no sense whatsoever...


The one change I -would- like in the regard of account wide achievements would be an added account achievements page. Leaving the character achievements as they are, but adding a overview from the character selection screen where you can see which achievement was done by what character... the dye rewards could go there... and there could be new rewards for multiple achievement completions. Like... beat Molag Bal with characters of every class - new achievement; attain some PvP achievements with one character for every alliance - new achievement; explore all the maps with six different characters - new achievement; and so on... and the rewards from those would then be account wide, no matter what they might be - new dyes, new costumes, perhaps even new other things... whatever.

Absolutely no issues. The ones you list, for example, were answered many times. I personally remember solving them at least once in a similar thread. The one with titles - even in this very post.

And no, absolutely no achievements for doing something on multiple characters. Not with the grindfest that ESO's achievements are. The whole point is for players to NOT be forced to do it again. And yes, completionists are forced to do them.

And yes, there will be threads like that until it's implemented. THat or remove all the classes, so we can try everything on one character. Now we can't. But we want to. So we create alts. But we can't progress because wtf, the main has 20k+ points which took years to get. Either make achievements account-wide or remove the reason to create alts.

lordrichter wrote: »

My characters are different and when I play them, I am doing different things. What am doing in the game, and achieving in the game, is as much dependent on the character as it is myself. That matters to me in an RPG.

See above. Do you use CP, dyes etc that your characters didn't earn? If yes- you are a hypocrite then.

Then again, this was answered many times. You will still see what your particular characters have done. You are not losing anything, but other players gain.

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Still struggling to see the gains from this. What do you think gets better if your level 10 can press 'J' and see the achieves earned by all your other characters? You are not faster or stronger... no-one else sees it... you lose the ability to track what you have and haven't done on that character...

I won't feel like I"m wasting time because that collectible that just dropped didn't bring me a step closer to anything, because I didn't get it on my main. Also, if I suddenly like another class in end-game more than what I played for years - I can reroll and keep making progress as opposed to being stuck until I get all the achievements my former main has. Which basically no one would do, so they are forced to play what they started playing first or quit playing the game nearly as much, because rerolling isn't an option for players who want to complete things.

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

Imagine you own three cars. Car 1 you say "I've driven all over south America with it." car 2 you say "I've driven all over middle east with it." car 3 you say "I've driven all across of Europe with it."

You can't say you've driven all over middle east with the first car. It's not true yeah? Neither can you say you've driven south America with the third car. These cars don't share mileage with each other. Your character works the same way. You 'clock mileage' with each character with milestones. Aka achievements.

Certain cosmetic achievements like dyes or costumes can be put on each character. So even a new level 10 alt can be fitted with a dyed costume that can only be achieved with the reaching of lvl 50 for instance.

Tldr: there is nothing wrong with the current configuration.

YEah no one cares which care you used. YOU ARE the driver.If you win a race with a car - you are the one who gets the Cup and title, not the car.

lordrichter wrote: »

I doubt they will change anything with Homestead, and some achievements are already account based while others are character based.

Which achievements are account based?

Ourorboros wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Along with achievements I'd also like to add recipes and traits research.

What would be the point of alternate characters?

Some shared achievements, maybe. But if it's all or nothing, I'd rather things stay the same.

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm sure many will disagree but I've felt this way for awhile.

ZoS already allows dyes, mementos, skins, and many other things to be shared for the entire account.

Let us just take the next step and allow achievements (including titles earned) to be shared account-wide.

Discuss.

Artis wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

So essentially you want the ability to see overall progress from all characters combined? Perhaps on the character choice screen so you can tot them up? Maybe be able to filter by character? If so seems a bit pointless to level insults based on supposition at someone who has already agreed this would be a viable solution so everyone would win....

No, mostly I want the ability not to grind everything again and again and again. It's not fun, but without matching my main's achievements, I can't say I'm making any progress on other characters. Skill based titles like Flawless Conqueror should be character only, of course. And it's fine. If you're good, you can get just by running vMA once. But not having grindy achievements and titles account-wide is pretty dumb and artificial. It makes no sense and is absolutely illogical, since it's me who does the grind and spends time, not the character. I can't tell my alt to go fish while I'm offline.

And also, I want you to answer my questions or just admit to being a hypocrite

kargen27 wrote: »

Just going to have to disagree on this one. A title is something that belongs exclusive to the character. As I said earlier just because I ate a cheeseburger that doesn't make me a butcher.

Actually I did buy mounts for most my characters. The mule really doesn't need one. I also didn't use any CP on charcters until they reached 50.

As for it being you that did it and not your character then maybe there should just be no in game titles at all. As you say your character did nothing so why pretend he did? Just do away with titles on characters completely and when housing comes out you can put a trophy up in your home for each accomplishment.

Some people will take the time "be bothered" to complete an achievement more than once. Why take away that feeling of accomplishment by just making titles account wide?

If the titles are meaningless why are you so intent on making sure every character you have gets the title whether that character completed the activity or not?

Of course it's illogical. Character didn't do anything. Is it a hockey stick that became an NHL champion or the player who used it?

Oh you don't you any CP until you reach 50? So what? Do you use it after? Why? Why don't you count how many CP each character earned if they are separate? Do you use dyes unlocked by other characters? Move gear from main to alts and back? Or gold?

You sound like a hypocrite. Will you use houses with all characters when they come out? If every character will only use 1 house, will you make sure that they only spend the gold they earned? I highly highly doubt it.

What? No one takes away the feeling of accomplishment by making achievements account wide. You will still have a notification that you got it if you got it. It just won't change the total score. But the individual progress won't go anywhere. Go see it in wow. It's not something new.

And they shouldn't be forced to do an achievement more than once to keep progressing.

Stopnaggin wrote: »

And that is fine if you want to do it 7 times, what on earth would make me want to do something like that 7 times?

Greifenherz wrote: »

This is supposed to be a role-playing game. The name-giving 'intended way' to play the game is to slip into the role of your character and experience the game world through the eyes of your character. You as a real life person behind a monitor/TV aren't accomplishing anything in the game in that sense, but the character you are playing is. Character B doesn't deserve character A's achievement of killing 100 enemies because character B did not achieve this. That's why achievements shouldn't be account-wide at all.
Another reason is that you're losing out on a metric dungton of experience if you make it account-wide.

Example addition:
Imagine playing a game of good old Dungeons & Dragons, or Pathfinder, with your friends. After three or four sessions you complete the campaign your gamemaster set up, and when everything is getting wrapped up the king you saved the kingdom of rewards all of you the title "Knight of <name of kingdom>". The next weekend you start a new campaign, and decide to make all new characters. Why would these new characters be titled "Knight of <name of kingdom>", even though they didn't accomplish anything or never even set foot in that kingdom? Because 'not your character did it, you did it'? Really?

lordrichter wrote: »

This is an RPG. The first letter means "Role", and that is what I am doing. I exist in a Role Playing Game in the form of my character, not as me. I cannot get an achievement without the character any more than it can get it without me. Getting that achievement requires the character.

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This is all about my progress through the game with each of my characters, as well as my own growth with the game. That is the whole purpose of a role playing game. It isn't just about me. It is about my play through the game in different roles, doing different things with different characters.

My characters are different and when I play them, I am doing different things. What am doing in the game, and achieving in the game, is as much dependent on the character as it is myself. That matters to me in an RPG.

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm sure many will disagree but I've felt this way for awhile.

ZoS already allows dyes, mementos, skins, and many other things to be shared for the entire account.

Let us just take the next step and allow achievements (including titles earned) to be shared account-wide.

Discuss.

I never understood this thing of characters having it own achievements. in DCUO it the same thing, every character have it own Feats (the same thing as achievements) people cried out loud for them to be accounts wide (or at least the most annoying ones)