In Normal Random, you must kick LV30-.In Vet, you must kick CP300- !!!

VinyParsley2016 · December 2016

Because, these days, I saw too many discussions about people are suffering from playing with lowbies, I think it is time to let the people know this rule again. Kicking LV30- in Normal random, and CP300- in Vet random, ever and ever!

No mercy!!! Trust me, no mercy, if you are soft, finally no one will appreciate you , the only thing you get is hurt yourself.

Share a story happened last week. I ran vet random dungeon to get some XP and rewards. I got darkshade cavern 2. The crown tank and one dps(both CP200+)were in dungeon, me healer and the other DPS CP400+ were outside. I felt not good, because, based on my experience, at 90% chance it is a typical [Snip] group.

After I jumped in, I found the crown tank and CP200+ DPS were stuck in final boss engine guardian. Obviously, they know each other cuz they were chatting, loudly and noisy. Then, I can be sure 99% it is a [Snip] group. Here I want to share another rule - noisy group are usually [Snip] group. However, I still decided to have a try because we were at finally boss already, easy XP is always very tempting.

Fact proved it was my another horrible dungeon experience. The CP200- DPS' damage number was very low so we couldn't kill the boss fast, and kill the adds asap. The most annoying thing was the tank always melee attack engine guardian. I and CP400+ DPS asked them kill adds, and dont melee attack, none of them listen and follow. The tank said his dps is low, so he has to do melee attack. Very ridiculous, I don't understand! Finally, I didn't easy XP, I got another sucky boss fight. We took almost 30 mins, and 1 time wipe.

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Wifeaggro13 · December 2016

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

Because, these days, I saw too many discussions about people are suffering from playing with lowbies, I think it is time to let the people know this rule again. Kicking LV30- in Normal random, and CP300- in Vet random, ever and ever!

No mercy!!! Trust me, no mercy, if you are soft, finally no one will appreciate you , the only thing you get is hurt yourself.

Share a story happened last week. I ran vet random dungeon to get some XP and rewards. I got darkshade cavern 2. The crown tank and one dps(both CP200+)were in dungeon, me healer and the other DPS CP400+ were outside. I felt not good, because, based on my experience, at 90% chance it is a typical [Snip] group.

After I jumped in, I found the crown tank and CP200+ DPS were stuck in final boss engine guardian. Obviously, they know each other cuz they were chatting, loudly and noisy. Then, I can be sure 99% it is a [Snip] group. Here I want to share another rule - noisy group are usually [Snip] group. However, I still decided to have a try because we were at finally boss already, easy XP is always very tempting.

Fact proved it was my another horrible dungeon experience. The CP200- DPS' damage number was very low so we couldn't kill the boss fast, and kill the adds asap. The most annoying thing was the tank always melee attack engine guardian. I and CP400+ DPS asked them kill adds, and dont melee attack, none of them listen and follow. The tank said his dps is low, so he has to do melee attack. Very ridiculous, I don't understand! Finally, I didn't easy XP, I got another sucky boss fight. We took almost 30 mins, and 1 time wipe.

Because the game was designed around stupid dps checks. Tanks a Dps with a taunt. Doooooooooooooommmmmmmed

OutLaw_Nynx · December 2016

Don't use group finder

Join a guild

So tired of people whining about this. You're going to get horrible people in group finder and chances are they will kick you if you're below a certain level. It's bad but making post like these don't help.

Sorry but I never have this issue because I'm in a guild

xX_NachtJager_xx · December 2016

That's where you're wrong buddy. I've ran with some cp400's and even 561's that were utter garbage. While at the same time running with some really good cp200's. and maybe that level 30 is actually a 561 leveling up a new toon.

Voxicity · December 2016

Some of my guild members get kicked, one got kicked today for being a nightblade healer so we took him through WGT to get his SPC jewelry

Join a guild and most will be happy to play with you

susmitds · December 2016

Learn to solo dungeons or at least carry other through it.

Beware13 · December 2016

Lol really? I started over on PC and have done almost every vet dungeons with less than 300cp. I don't think that's a fair rule at all. Yes you will get a lot of potatoes in group finder but I have seen PLENTY of crappy dps/tank/healers that have 561CP.

I know 400CP players that have done trials, it's not a golden rule that a player sucks if they have X amount of CP.

Also, it's possible to 2 man Darkshade.

GG

Hateanthem · December 2016

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Don't use group finder

Join a guild

So tired of people whining about this. You're going to get horrible people in group finder and chances are they will kick you if you're below a certain level. It's bad but making post like these don't help.

Sorry but I never have this issue because I'm in a guild

Well genius, the group finder is a tool specifically for people who do not have that guild base. Some people have scheduling issues and can't run in premade groups even if they are in a guild. Some players enjoy solo play and just want to complete the dugeons to passify their completionist OCD.

I really can't stand players like yourself. The tool was put into the game as a means to complete content whenever premade groups are not an option. Being an elitest jackwad and saying "hurr Durr hurr get guilds Durr" adds absolutely zero to the conversation. It's just you being pompous and a cancer to the MMO community.

VinyParsley2016 · December 2016

If you really want to or have to play with lowbies in random, here let me share some rules with you.
First, 1 lowbie in random is fine.
However, if you get 2 or 3 lowbies in random. Here is the steps you need to do.

Kick one lowbie at the beginning, usually the lowest level/CP lowbie. If you are failed to kick, try again, again and again.

It is very important step because you must make sure the lowbies don't know each other, they are not friends, not guild mates, etc. If the lowbie don't know each other, you can kick the lowbie once you find he plays sucky, anytime and easily.

If you can't kick, then they must know each other. You must leave immediately, without hesitation. Don't believe anyone says "I have good dps", "I am good tank", "You think I am low level? I have a lot of CP!", "CP doesn't matter. EXP matters!"

Don't believe, don't argue, just leave.

WhitePawPrints · December 2016

I deliberately avoid groups that ask for CP. From what I've gathered about people who throw fits over CP levels is that they are usually so bad that they are wanting to be carried. If I join a pug and they ask my CP, I just laugh at them and leave.

NewBlacksmurf · December 2016

Respectfully this type of mentality is what makes ppl troll and argue on the forums and in the game.
It does produce a lot of unnecessary things.

Now you can play how you want but I disagree that anyone else should start to communicate these ideas and behave accordingly.

Beware13 · December 2016

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

I deliberately avoid groups that ask for CP. From what I've gathered about people who throw fits over CP levels is that they are usually so bad that they are wanting to be carried. If I join a pug and they ask my CP, I just laugh at them and leave.

I've noticed the same thing lol

Hateanthem · December 2016

The group would work much better if there were level increments in the grouping.

10-25
26-40
41-50
CP 0-125

You get the drift.

Also it would be much better if the player kicked was returned to the front of the queue if kicked 30 seconds after entering the group.

WalksonGraves · December 2016

Build is more important than cp distribution and for all you know that lvl 20 you kicked is 500 cp and could carry you.

I agree that you need 250cp+ dps for the harder vet dungeons but tanks and healers are less cp dependant for performance.

Osteos · December 2016

You absolutely should not be kicking low level people out of random normal dungeons. If they aren't participating or are a hindrance that is one thing but to kick a low level out of a dungeon designed for low level people is just asinine. We want and need new people in this game. You do not need to be cp level or level 30+ to do normal dungeons. People on these forums complain that people don't know their roles, etc and this is why. Too many players in their high and mighty hurry are not letting low level people play and learn the roles. If you don't want to play with low level people use zone, your guild, or take the penalty yourself.

AntMan100673 · December 2016

I've seen players below cp160 who are great and players who are cp561 and if it wasn't for the game doing it for them they wouldn't know which end of the sword to hold.

As a rule of thumb if there's players below cp300 on dlc dungeons I expect to fail (probably cp200 on non-dlc vet dungeons). I'll always give it a go though.

If you feel the need to kick players below level 30 on normal dungeons though I think that says more about you than it does about them. If I end up doing a random normal dungeon for some quick exp I find half the time I end up as part of a 4 dps group, I quite often end up tanking bosses, healing myself and dishing out my fair share of damage on my squishy mag DK without any problems. And I'd class myself as a well below average end game player.

pattyLtd · December 2016

Dont tell me what todo

Seriously i dont mind if theres someone in the group thats low level worst case scenario we dont finish the dungeon which only happens in the dlc ones mostly for me thats not a big deal.

But everyones different and you have the right to vote kick whenever you feel like it ofc

ArvenAldmeri · December 2016

I posted this already in very similar thread and gonna say it again. I met a guy random tank for dungeon. He was cp not even 200. He never did vet City of Ash II before. Yet we did the hardmode with him. He was one of the best tanks I have ever seen. So stop telling people to auto kick. You are just making yourself look like a ***.

gothickaiserub17_ESO · December 2016

so funny story... did vet Fungal Grotto, didn't even know i qued for vet, me and my fiancee were at or below cp200, we had a DPS who seemed decent in the 300's and another... who qued as tank (below 160) but had 15-16k hp with food buff didn't realize he was in vet/had qued for tank/ and was only kinda half there, one of those die b4 the rest of the group makes it to the boss type.

Long story short I heal tanked it (til the last boss, then it was kinda a slow DPS rez party) and we won. It was a little slower then a run perhaps most would want, but it also kinda made it fun. For a lot of those non-dlc dungeons you can carry some dead weight as long as you are not also dead weight.

Karius_Imalthar · December 2016

I don't think any feelings should be hurt here. I know a lot of people feel like level and CP aren't the measure of a player but when someone knows nothing about you then it acts as a first impression. Like another poster said, if you want to form a better relationship/trust with other players then join a guild. If you're ok with speed dating then feel free to use Group Finder but don't be hurt if people decide it's best for them and you to let you go. I've been in groups with high CP people that I felt were terrible and other groups with lower level players that were good... but the opposite is also true.

Jeremy · December 2016

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

Because, these days, I saw too many discussions about people are suffering from playing with lowbies, I think it is time to let the people know this rule again. Kicking LV30- in Normal random, and CP300- in Vet random, ever and ever!

Dumb rule.

Give people a chance. If it don't work out - they will usually drop on their own accord if they aren't powerful enough yet for the content. Or you can kick them if it comes to that. But removing people from dungeons pre-emptively based on arbitrary standards is stupid.

Ghettokid · December 2016

Wow you're so tough!

lolo_01b16_ESO · December 2016

Meanwhile at lvl 25 my Templar pulled dps numbers that were higher than what is required to complete vet trials. But sure, kick me from normal dungeons and I'll just solo them :P

idk · December 2016

@VinyParsley2016

For one, that would be the roughest dungeon with a random group.

That being said I've cleared it in both a few random normal with low level players a couple times and in vet with low CP players.

It takes a strong player to overcome the obstacles in these situations
And while I understand that some would find it difficult to help a group overcome challenge, it's. If reason for a rage post nor suggesting anything you suggested in your OP.

It's f you cannot handle it then don't queue.

lehran · December 2016

LFG should autokick entitled people who think that they're far superior than everyone else simply because they have more cp. If you go in assuming that the group will be bad, I assure you that you often won't be disappointed, because you'll be helping make it that way intentionally or not. If you go in assuming good faith, take time to explain mechanics to people who may have forgotten or not done the dungeon before, and discuss strategies after wipes so you can all agree on a way to tackle the fight, you'll be amazed at how much more smooth things will go. Sure, it may still be slow because group dps is terrible, but it's the kind of slow where people feel good for achieving something rather than feeling like trash because they got an abusive entitled jerk who does nothing but cuss at them all the time.

Next time you see a group of lower-leveled players with you when queuing random, try working with them instead of trying to prove that they suck. Sometimes they do suck and shouldn't be there, but you won't know that right at the beginning. I've gotten into ICP for my random normal as the only one with cp, everyone else was at most level 25. We did fine, took a bit longer but I explained mechanics for people new to the dungeon and we worked our way through it without any wipes.

Shad0wfire99 · December 2016

Don't feed the obvious troll. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/305085/kick-the-low-cp-guys-always-no-mercy/p1

LadyNalcarya · December 2016

With all those bonus exp events and farming, cps dont mean anything. I saw many cp561+ "dds" spamming light attacks with their bows, or trying to spam c-frags, or running in vet dungeons without food buff, or doing other stupid crap.
And you cant see cps on pre-lvl 50 chars.

And a cp capped "lowbie" with crafted gear has insane stats.

Beardimus · December 2016

Wow man, sounds like a L2P issue on your part. If you cant solo a normal dungeon by now, let alone handle it alongside helping some L25 guys (who prob have 561CP just on a new toon) then you need to get better.

As for chatty groups being the worst, LOL, on mic pugs are the best kind as you can communicate and help.

Grow your patience enlightment man!

disintegr8 · December 2016

Sounds like it is the OP that needs to stay away from group finder, for the good of the game and everyone else.

@Hateanthem is on the right track and I have posted along the same lines before.
ESO need to fix the group finder and it should better match dungeon level with player level, restricting lower level players access to higher level dungeons and giving higher level players the option to avoid lower level content.

Until then, lower level characters get to be picked on, harassed and ejected from PUG's for doing nothing wrong. A cp50 queues for a random vet, as is their right, gets vet WGT or vet CoS, which they have never run before, and gets flack from other group members when deemed inadequate.

Currently, everyone of every level has every right to use random dungeon finder. If you don't think they should be in a particular dungeon, blame the game, not the player.

NordSwordnBoard · December 2016

It boils down to this:

1) If your skills are below average, you need to kick low level players because you must be carried. You can't risk being shown up by a player who is far below your level, but way above you skill-wise.

2) If your skills are average or above average, you should try to at least beat the first boss before judging anybody. Determine from there how heavy a load it is you and any others may need to carry. You might be surprised.

(option #2 typically eats up the penalty timer, so if there's no hope, at least you have little to no wait to try again)

skiptomyluau · December 2016

I'm CP 153 and in normal dungeon finder I get kicked about 75% of the time