You are right the fight does.. DRAGON...RAWR!!!

I would say the fights can .. ahem.. dragon... but you don't have resource problems, plenty of of ability to CC someone and fully charge a heavy attack to regain resources.

Also you can completely fill (or leave one ability) a skill bar with DK abilites and use whatever weapons you want some of which have the option to execute even if it costs stamina.

They really need to give DK's a class execute tho.

EvoAZN wrote: »

They really need to give DK's a class execute tho.

I've always disagreed with this, and I stand by it. DKs need to be given better tools to outlast their opponents, as this was the original design of the class. Zos have forsaken all vision for pvp though, so who knows what they'll end up doing with DKs.

Draxys wrote: »

EvoAZN wrote: »

They really need to give DK's a class execute tho.

I've always disagreed with this, and I stand by it. DKs need to be given better tools to outlast their opponents, as this was the original design of the class. Zos have forsaken all vision for pvp though, so who knows what they'll end up doing with DKs.

Agreed. As a DK I'd rather have more (or better) ways to pressure my opponents with DoTs. Magicka DKs need something more like Unstable Flame which increases in damage the longer the DoT is applied.

Cinbri wrote: »

Executes in pvp overrated.

Agree. I only run execute when they are really strong like Radiant on my magplar or Endless Fury on magsorc. I only use 2h execute or killer's blade on my NB when I'm fighting someone with 50k+ HP.

lucky_Sage wrote: »

they don't need a execute they need Dragon blood fixed and dots to work better in pvp if a dk is fighting a Templar of equal skill and isn't using skoria and meteor can't win. and if have maim and defile debuff on heals are even worse they have no reliable heal.

heavy attack build wont work unless big group or ganking if you do kill people with it in a small scale they just suck cause they have like 3 secs of reacting and still couldn't dodge a slow moving fireball

and give us a magicka melee weapon

"Agree completely. DKs don't need an execute. I always thought that -- as originally designed -- it was cool that they had the counter-execute in Dragon Blood, i.e. its a bigger heal at lower health. But alas, Dragon Blood hasn't been fixed in more than a year. Fingers crossed for next patch"

^so true

I'm fine without an execute. What I need is 1) a reliable heal, 2) for my damage to stick instead of getting out-vigored, out-BoL and/or purged for a fraction of my costs, and 3) either some mobility via a functioning gap closer (Empowered Chains) or some way to counter a permaroller. Functioning Extended Chains would do nicely.

As the joke goes, DK's execute from 100%. Seriously though, how good would a dk execute have to be to bump one of their abilities off of their bar. DK's may lack a very compelling heal (and with a universal magic shield this is not really that big a problem) but the do not lack in the dps department.

Bulljoker wrote: »

remove templars execute and i am fine

Let wings reflect it

Cinbri wrote: »

Executes in pvp overrated.

Tell that to the stam sorcs running around with 3 executes simultaneously. Health drops low for even a second and BAM.

But ya, agree that mDKs shouldn't get an execute.

SanSan wrote: »

How do you Magicka Dks deal without an execute??
I love fire mages but Mag dk's without an execute seems like the fight might drag on, while magicka templars are sorta like fire mages with an amazing execute.
I'm stuck which one to make here.
I plan to do every contant, (pve, pvp, whatever else).

@SanSan

I'll tell you how my mDK, Savos Saren, deals with the lack of an execute:

He drinks... a lot.

But seriously, though- I get that ZoS wants to make classes "unique" and that mDKs just don't have access to an execute... but they should at least have a magic ability that does extra damage over time to low health enemies. Like a magicka version of Poison Injection.

Calboy wrote: »

My mdk has no room for an execute. Seriously, whip, embers, major sorcery, talons, fossilize, some sort of burst heal, deep breath, igneous shield, mist form, wings, volatile armor, fiery breath, shuffle and I've probably missed some others. Too many important skills for a mdk and even sacrificing one for another has a huge bearing on the play style.

This is why i think an execute ability would be a mistake. But an execute passive to increase class ability based fire DoT effect damage on low-health targets would not have the same problem. The DK would still be DoT based, with the power of the "execute" damage being relative to keeping multiple DoTs stacked. Even then, most of the DoTs do low damage individually, (the AoE DoTs that account for the majority of DK DoTs aside from Embers) therefore a lot of barspace would be needed to maximize efficiency. Eruption is costly and easy to get out of. Engulfing and embers ticks are purgeable. Noone stays in a standard, but it would give it a use for holding positions instead of eye of flame. Embers would be nasty against single targets, but no more than other executes, and id say execute DoT damage definitely shouldn't increase the heal from embers if it ever came to pass. Due to the wide application of DK dots, you obviously could not think to increase the dmg of these DoTs by the usual 300% of execute abilities. It affecting 2 ults and 4 abilities potentially you would have to keep it around 75%-100%.