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Advice StamDK VMA firsts runs
Lefthy
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hi all,
Im looking for some advice here with my stam DK DPS, since i want to star doing some VMA and i think i can use some help with my build to get the max i can.
The idea is to hit 20k HP, since i feel to weak with less, and manage my stamina recovery so i dont get dry in the middle of the fight, but doing an acceptable amount of damage of course.
My currently build:
All atributes points on Stamina
Serpent and Shadow Mudus Stones
5/1/1 (full undaunted pasive)
5 TBS (All Divines) (Stamina Enchant) (Purple)
1 Kra'gh (Divines) (Stamina Enchant) (Purple)
1 Bloodspaw (Divines) (Stamina Enchant) (Purple)
3 Agility (Neck robust, Rings Healthy) (Weapon Damage Enchants) (Purple)
1 Night Mother Sword (Sharpened) (Disease Enchant) (Purple)
1 Night Mother Dagger (Precise) (Poison Enchant) (Purple)
1 Night Mother Bow (Sharpened) (Weapon Damage Enchant) (Purple)
Champion Points
Red: 70 Physical damage reduction / 60 Magic damage reduction
Green: 70 Stamina cost / 60 Stamina recovery
Blue: 70 Physical damage / 40 Dot Damage / 20 Physical penetration
Buff Stats Main Bar (DW)
Total HP 20K
Total Stamina 35K
Total Stamina Recovery 1300
Total Weapon Damage 3100
Critical Chance 50%
I dont have the armor penetration numbers because i dont have addons
So any idea how to improve this? should i change my weapons? maybe 2 swords? should i drop all my stamina recovery and get more damage? 1300 seems very low but i dont know how to improve it with out going down on damage. I have 5 Red mountain pieces (jewerly, helm and shulder) but it didnt feel pretty good, maybe another set will suit me better?
Anyway, thanks for reading guys.
Im looking for some advice here with my stam DK DPS, since i want to star doing some VMA and i think i can use some help with my build to get the max i can.
The idea is to hit 20k HP, since i feel to weak with less, and manage my stamina recovery so i dont get dry in the middle of the fight, but doing an acceptable amount of damage of course.
My currently build:
All atributes points on Stamina
Serpent and Shadow Mudus Stones
5/1/1 (full undaunted pasive)
5 TBS (All Divines) (Stamina Enchant) (Purple)
1 Kra'gh (Divines) (Stamina Enchant) (Purple)
1 Bloodspaw (Divines) (Stamina Enchant) (Purple)
3 Agility (Neck robust, Rings Healthy) (Weapon Damage Enchants) (Purple)
1 Night Mother Sword (Sharpened) (Disease Enchant) (Purple)
1 Night Mother Dagger (Precise) (Poison Enchant) (Purple)
1 Night Mother Bow (Sharpened) (Weapon Damage Enchant) (Purple)
Champion Points
Red: 70 Physical damage reduction / 60 Magic damage reduction
Green: 70 Stamina cost / 60 Stamina recovery
Blue: 70 Physical damage / 40 Dot Damage / 20 Physical penetration
Buff Stats Main Bar (DW)
Total HP 20K
Total Stamina 35K
Total Stamina Recovery 1300
Total Weapon Damage 3100
Critical Chance 50%
I dont have the armor penetration numbers because i dont have addons
So any idea how to improve this? should i change my weapons? maybe 2 swords? should i drop all my stamina recovery and get more damage? 1300 seems very low but i dont know how to improve it with out going down on damage. I have 5 Red mountain pieces (jewerly, helm and shulder) but it didnt feel pretty good, maybe another set will suit me better?
Anyway, thanks for reading guys.
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭The best thing you can possibly do to make VMA less painful on a stamina character is get Vicious Ophidian. 3x jewelry and 2x armor isn't too hard to attain - in fact I got mine all in 1 night (only 3 runs of a single trial) but I was somewhat lucky that people traded with me.
You probably don't want to hear that, but I'll tell you that I spent over 400 deaths and nearly 10 hours on my first clear with my Stamina Nightblade using Hunding's + Viper. I went back with VO and still have vitality left at the end b/c my sustain and mobility were so much higher - I'll accept that I knew the fights better after all those deaths but the character just felt so much stronger. Having all the extra sustain and movement speed was tremendous in being able to fully apply my DPS and not use regen food or a poor mundus choice (Atronach stat weight is terrible compared to thief).Edited by Kutsuu on December 15, 2016 9:15PMPC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
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Kutsuu - Temp
Natsu Dragoneel - DK
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Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭@Kutsuu what they said. VO jewellry/armor is amazing.Edited by Zagnut123Zagnut123 on December 15, 2016 11:18PM0 -
AverageJo3Gam3r✭✭✭✭✭I agree with the others. I struggled for a few months on my stamDK. Once I got VO, I finally cleared it. I used 5 VO, 5NMG, 2 endurance (I only have a VO necklace+4 body pieces)0 -
Lefthy✭✭Alright then guys, i guess i will trial the sh** out of this DK.
Any particular one? or i get VO from all of them?
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jkolb2030✭✭✭AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »I agree with the others. I struggled for a few months on my stamDK. Once I got VO, I finally cleared it. I used 5 VO, 5NMG, 2 endurance (I only have a VO necklace+4 body pieces)
Any reason you used night mothers gaze? DKs already have major fracture with noxious breath.0 -
AverageJo3Gam3r✭✭✭✭✭@jkolb2030 couple of reasons. My VO dropped in weird pieces so I don't have rings. I use 2x daggers, boots, chest, and pants for NMG. So TBS is out since I'll lose the mundus on bar swap. I use the maelstrom bow back bar, and the NMG debuff carries over to the back bar since it lasts 5 seconds.
Also, I don't run noxious breath in vMA. The dot is kinda weak, and there's not enough bar space in vMA, so it goes. In trials NMG is still ok to run (1 per raid team) as trials bosses have more resistances than vMA bosses.0 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭I know Andy S has recommended using Spriggan or NMG on stamDK without noxious in VMA.PC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
Kutsuu the Destroyer - NB
Kutsuu - Temp
Natsu Dragoneel - DK
Kutsumo - NB0 -
jkolb2030✭✭✭AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »@jkolb2030 couple of reasons. My VO dropped in weird pieces so I don't have rings. I use 2x daggers, boots, chest, and pants for NMG. So TBS is out since I'll lose the mundus on bar swap. I use the maelstrom bow back bar, and the NMG debuff carries over to the back bar since it lasts 5 seconds.
Also, I don't run noxious breath in vMA. The dot is kinda weak, and there's not enough bar space in vMA, so it goes. In trials NMG is still ok to run (1 per raid team) as trials bosses have more resistances than vMA bosses.
@AverageJo3Gam3r
Ah, that makes sense now.
I've been running vMA with 5 swamp raider + 5 TBS +2 Krag and the Noxious breathe dot is extremely powerful imo, with that setup anyway.
Clunky animation to cancel on barswaps, but definitely useful - I guess i just never figured to put NMG on my DK because of noxious tho.Edited by jkolb2030 on December 16, 2016 4:46PM0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭One more plug for VO gear if you want to try to get it. It is a total game changer in VMA, and most trial groups just give it away these days. I vend it at this point if nobody wants it.
Otherwise, I would make some subtle changes to your setup. First, If you are going TBS, run thief + Shadow. You really shouldnt need the serpent mundus in there. You are a DK, dont hoard your ultimates. That is how you manage resources.
Second,when learning, Do not hesitate to grab the sigils. Your score wont stick anyway. The Speed Sigil also boosts all your attributes regen, so that can help if you get low. No shame in grabbing them 2 or 3 at a time. They stack and respawn every round.
Third, get Sharp weapons. Precise is trash by yourself. I would recommend 2 sharp daggers.
Fourth, your monster set combo is not bad, but I dont think its better than a good proc set like Velidreth in there. Your way will work if you are really struggling with stamina, but Veli is better.
Gold standard for gear is 5 VO/5NM (or Spriggans), 2 velidreth. This requires NM weapons, and again, I would go Sharp Daggers, and Sharp Bow (until you get VMA bow).
TLDR: Vicious Ophidian and Sharpened Trait are OP.I know Andy S has recommended using Spriggan or NMG on stamDK without noxious in VMA.
I think Spriggans is probably a touch better than NM, but its really close. As you can craft NM, and NM is useful in a raid (spriggans is not), I think NM is better for most of the mortals trying to get setup the first time. Not sure what sharp Spriggan daggers go for these days, but I dont think they are cheap.
A nightmother build with Sharp Daggers is going to be MUCH better than a spriggan build with some other weapons.
Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on December 16, 2016 5:32PM1 -
allstarplayergk✭✭✭Until I get sharp DW weapons I've been running 5 VO/5 TBS/1 kraghs/maelstrom bow/DW sharp NM. Also you want to use weapon power pots which give you major Brutality and Savagery. PvE is all about crit, I sit with like 3500 damage and 75%crit and I melt ***. But I found in Vmsa that knowing the mechanics is drastically more important than your build. If you know where and when things spawn you can kill them before they attack. Corrosive armour is so OP in the arena. There's no boss you shouldn't be able to burn that is at less than 50% with corrosive. Just learn how to get corrosive up as frequently as possible and the danger areas you need it most.0
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DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just get 11 friend do a hard mode vet trial after a couple hundred hours of practice have people give you VO jewelry. Easy peezy lemon squeezy.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just get 11 friend do a hard mode vet trial after a couple hundred hours of practice have people give you VO jewelry. Easy peezy lemon squeezy.
Probably a touch easier to find a decent PVE guild. Haha. Most people that run trials even occasionally have more VO gear than they know what to do with.0 -
jkolb2030✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Just get 11 friend do a hard mode vet trial after a couple hundred hours of practice have people give you VO jewelry. Easy peezy lemon squeezy.
Probably a touch easier to find a decent PVE guild. Haha. Most people that run trials even occasionally have more VO gear than they know what to do with.
I've been running these trials for the past 3 weeks and could probably make 15 resilient yokedan tank characters, and some aether of destro mage...
Absolutely no VO drops... I did get a couple two fanged snake pieces though, thats an interesting set i'd like to try at some point.Edited by jkolb2030 on December 16, 2016 9:26PM0
