Dungeon Finder & 15 Mins Penalty

Lord_Eomer · December 2016

I am not doing dungeons anymore as already have farm gear etc. I am just doing to level up undaunted on my 12th toon.

I am 760 CP PS4 @ NA,

This is second time happened with me that even dungeon is not started and i have been kicked. There are crazy people who are grouping before then queing in dungeon finder and finally simply kicking to add their friend and players like me are getting a 15 minutes penalty.

I have recorded video, if group is formed via dungeon finder then adding players manually should not be allowed and instead should get through dungeon finder.

Or if someone is kicked then there should be no penalty..

drakhan2002_ESO · December 2016

Not ANOTHER one of these threads...

ookami007 · December 2016

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

Not ANOTHER one of these threads...

Yah... ANOTHER ONE... almost as if... it were a... you know... PROBLEM.

Seriously, get rid of the 15 minute penalty. It's lame and depends on the honesty and integrity of players - which is idiotic considering it potentially puts you can the mercy of some snot-nosed little kid with delusions of grandeur.

If you ABSOLUTELY MUST have a penalty, do it after 2 or 3 kicks in X number of minutes. If you're an idiot and keep getting kicked, then yes, a penalty MIGHT be appropriate.

Again, I don't like them because it's too easy for a small group of people do penalize someone for absolutely no reason, other than they are bored, bullies, or just want to see the world burn.

andreasranasen · December 2016

I feel you on this one. Yesterday i randomly joined a group for CoH II... My entire group kept dying over and over and over and over. TBH, i don't know why because i could have pretty much soloed the dungeon by the time i decided to just leave the group.

Why should i get a 15 minute cool down for leaving a group i TRIED to help as best as i could. But at the same time, i ain't got all day to help people i don't know, or care for, through the game. You either get your stuff together so we all can finish the dungeon quick and easy. Or you join a guild and have friends help you through it so you can learn. But don't waste my time.

AlexTech0x · December 2016

You will see as many as necessary because ZOS only fixes what people complains the most about.

Dasovaruilos · December 2016

AlexTech0x wrote: »

You will see as many as necessary because ZOS only fixes what people complains the most about.

I agree. This issue is very annoying and they haven't said a single word about it.

I won't mind at all seeing a new topic about this every single day until this timer is either removed or completely redesigned.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

While i would like to see it removed, for me, the dungeon finder didnt work for months after they put it in. So id prefer they never touched it again.

emily3989 · December 2016

I clicked the button to travel to dungeon and before I even ported the group disbanded and I was stuck for 15 minutes. Another group had a sub 100 cp and the vote to kick was up when I entered zone. Stupid, I simply don't do dungeon finder for this reason alone.

TheDarkRuler · December 2016

Just reduce it to 5 or so.

jellicles · December 2016

15 minutes does seem excessive. I wonder if this is a system workaround to avoid the same player being immediately loaded back into the team that kicked him or her? Anyway, five minutes seems to be a reasonable amount of time.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

jellicles wrote: »

15 minutes does seem excessive. I wonder if this is a system workaround to avoid the same player being immediately loaded back into the team that kicked him or her? Anyway, five minutes seems to be a reasonable amount of time.

It might be, because that did use to happen. But i think the main reason it was put in was to keep people from fishing for dungeons. Joining the finder as random then dropping when you didnt get the dungeon you wanted.

DMuehlhausen · December 2016

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

Not ANOTHER one of these threads...

Frankly we should all post one until ZOS fixes it. This is probably the worst Penalty for "leaving" a group in any multi player game. You're only penalizing the person who didn't even get a chance to load into the dungeon.

DMuehlhausen · December 2016

andreasranasen wrote: »

I feel you on this one. Yesterday i randomly joined a group for CoH II... My entire group kept dying over and over and over and over. TBH, i don't know why because i could have pretty much soloed the dungeon by the time i decided to just leave the group.

Why should i get a 15 minute cool down for leaving a group i TRIED to help as best as i could. But at the same time, i ain't got all day to help people i don't know, or care for, through the game. You either get your stuff together so we all can finish the dungeon quick and easy. Or you join a guild and have friends help you through it so you can learn. But don't waste my time.

You should get a 15 min timer cause you left the group. That was your choice. You say you can solo the content yet your "group" can't get through it. After one mob is killed/pulled anybody who willing leaves should get a timer.

IronCrystal · December 2016

andreasranasen wrote: »

I feel you on this one. Yesterday i randomly joined a group for CoH II... My entire group kept dying over and over and over and over. TBH, i don't know why because i could have pretty much soloed the dungeon by the time i decided to just leave the group.

Why should i get a 15 minute cool down for leaving a group i TRIED to help as best as i could. But at the same time, i ain't got all day to help people i don't know, or care for, through the game. You either get your stuff together so we all can finish the dungeon quick and easy. Or you join a guild and have friends help you through it so you can learn. But don't waste my time.

The whole purpose of the timer is to stop people like you from leaving a group. Also, the timer starts as soon as your join the group so you spent less than 15 minutes with them and gave up. If you plan on leaving, at least stay in the group until the 15 minute timer is up.

NewBlacksmurf · December 2016

It's an obvious problem and there have been a few threads with different ideas on how to address it.

Some ppl are kicked for a reason while others....it's ppl gaming the system
Sucks tho when it happens instantly cause those are usually ppl gaming the system

Riejael · December 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

There are crazy people who are grouping before then queing in dungeon finder and finally simply kicking to add their friend and players like me are getting a 15 minutes penalty.

I don't see the benefit of why someone would do this. You can premake a group of 4 friends and run dungeons and still get the random reward. What I have seen is a group form for a split second and then disband. Giving everyone a 15min lock. I think this is what you've seen.

I believe that bug can be avoided by grouping with at least one other and than queuing. Though it may disband the others that weren't in the group. Either way a bug needs to be fixed. But I think the number of 'nefarious' players like you described are rare.

DigitalShibby · December 2016

andreasranasen wrote: »

Why should i get a 15 minute cool down for leaving a group i TRIED to help as best as i could.

If you had "tried" to help them for more than 15 minutes there wouldn't have been a cool down

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acw37162 · December 2016

The penalty serves a very legitimate and important purpose.

Changes the group finder could use IMO;

A settings option not to join instances already in progress.

A window with which to leave a group with no penalty at the beginning of dungeon either before you port in or before the first boss.

People kicked from group suffer no penalty.

Groups disbanded with 5 min of starting or porting into a dungeon serve no penalty.

A cool down timer for kick player options.

Group Finder formed groups not having a disband group option.

Having suggested the above there are still plenty of player drives abuses within even this system.

AND:

A FIX to the freakin bug that leaves you locked in perpetual dungeon que when ina group that disbands from the group finder.

DigitalShibby · December 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

A settings option not to join instances already in progress.

People kicked from group suffer no penalty.

If there was an option to not queue for groups in progress than those in progress would never find replacements after someone disconnects, quits, or is kicked.

Also if people got no penalty for being kicked, and only got it from quitting early, than you'd have people sitting there pretending to be AFK or something worse in order to be kicked vs quitting, thus avoiding the timer.

Absentia · December 2016

I don't think it's fair to get a penalty for instantly leaving, if i want to do a whole dungeon and when i join a group, i see that they're already at the end of it, unable to beat the final boss.

Koensol · December 2016

I agree the penalty is ***. If you get placed in some group full of low lvl players who spam their execute ability on a boss at 80% health, don't read chat and therefore repeatedly fail the boss fight, I want to leave. And I shouldn't be penalized for that. Why should I be punished for that?

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

DigitalShibby wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

A settings option not to join instances already in progress.

People kicked from group suffer no penalty.

If there was an option to not queue for groups in progress than those in progress would never find replacements after someone disconnects, quits, or is kicked.
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Maybe not. It actually speeds up randoms if you get into a dungeon that is partially completed.

raj72616a · December 2016

too bad they dont allow half completed dungeon to share their pledge progress

Merlin13KAGL · December 2016

Absentia wrote: »

I don't think it's fair to get a penalty for instantly leaving, if i want to do a whole dungeon and when i join a group, i see that they're already at the end of it, unable to beat the final boss.

I don't mind helping a group out that's having difficulty this way, but it does make it a bit harder to get pledge completion (since you're missing the previous bosses & the end fight is unlikely to ever take 15 minutes).

I think you should at least get 'random dungeon' reward credit for this kind of completion. That way there is something in it for both sides, but it's not an instant way to skip the rest of the pledge requirements.

And, let's face it, if you can beat the final boss on most of the dungeons, odds are pretty good that you could have gotten to the final boss without issue.

BalticBlues · December 2016

raj72616a wrote: »

too bad they dont allow half completed dungeon to share their pledge progress

This indeed is the biggest problem.
What do you do when you want to fullfill a pledge
and you are placed into a a half completed dungeon?

In this case you have to take at least one 15min penalty to fullfill your pledge.
Yesterday I even had this 3 times in a row! 45 mins lost in penalties...
What's worse? Spending hours in penalties or hours in incomplete dungeons...?

We just want to run a full pledge! ZOS, PLEASE GIVE US AN OPTION TO
QUEUE ONLY FOR "FRESH (untrodden)" DUNGEONS

Malamar1229 · December 2016

so funny story. i got booted last night from group finder vet just as I entered the dungeon. I happened to see the group comments "lol" and "want a nb" before I got booted. So I msg the guy from group chat and say "i pull 88k dps on trash and about 25-30k on single boss, why would boot me? bc i am 322cp? no wonder you guys keep wiping" They were on last boss so that means I was replacing a dps that left or was booted after a wipe or few.

The guy messages me back, name is close to Bflefilthy or something like, and with 15 yr old boy epeen lingo, made it clear he was Brazilian and I was a fat Anerican. Said when they are done he wants to duel me so he can stick his coo hah in my ear and slap me with it. He was a magicka sorc just like me and about the same CPs.

Musta been 10 to 15 mins later he sends me a grp request with his buddy and says he is recording to embarass me. Comes to Grat and proceeds to duel requet me. I accepted the duel and then realized I still had my PvE bars (WoE, liquid lightning, etc). I dont know what build he was, maybe some erotic brazilian build, but I toasted him in 6 seconds. I really thought I was going to die and have to listen to him. I mean, I had no sustain, all DPS PvE build.

He proceeds to make excuses about forgetting to shield, he has syphers build so he will smoke me (thanks @Sypher, thanks for feeding these kids) and then bombs me with more duel requests. I decide not to accept as i am fixing my bars back to pvp, and getting my pvp gear from bank. he challenges me to about 30 duels. i know accepting and losing will just feed his ego.

Finally I accepted and stood there casting harness and ward as he tried to kill me. watched him streak around stones (we moved outside at the point) and zap at me with his OP lightning staff. Then I /yawned and smoked him in a 3 shot burst combo.

Badgered me for my build, directed him to my old youtube videos and told him to aplogize and never boot another player from group again. wish I recorded it, but anyhow, thats my story. the penalty needs 2 go.

love,
makkir

Dungeon Finder &amp; 15 Mins Penalty

Dungeon Finder & 15 Mins Penalty