Hey Templar Healers...What's Up with not using your best skills?

Nax · December 2016

olivesforge
Try using Repent instead of Radiant on Kena. Or the tree-minder. Or Nereineth. 3 good reasons right there.

I would think most reasonable pepole would understand that "always have Repentance on your bar" also implies "...in situations with multiple enemies, not a single boss." Lol

Qbiken wrote: »

Even worse is when u get a healer in your group that doesn´t use healing springs.....

In my opinion, as a templar healer, healing springs is only needed in a couple of vet dungeon situations, depending on the group you run with. Trials are of course another animal all together. If I'm pugging and I see that the group likes to camp in red poop, then I'll slot it. But when running with my friends, rapid and ritual of retribution are all the healing we need. HoTs mean I can spend the time I would've spent using Healing Springs to do other things to benefit the group, like buffing, debuffing and doing damage.

vamp_emily · December 2016

vanillexhope wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

vanillexhope wrote: »

Constructive feedback is useful. I'm leveling a Templar right now. My ultimate goal is to heal, but I'm not ready for that yet. So threads like this are helpful. Thank you.

One thing I would do ( if you haven't done it yet ) is go to PvP and get War Horn and you want to morph it to Aggressive War Horn. I suggest doing this before hitting level 50. Alliance War skills are much easier to get in low level PvP, such as Black waters.

Thank you for this tip!

You are welcome.

Another tip, that someone gave me was to use Combat Prayer ( Blessing of Protection Morph on the restoration staff ). This does a few things when you slam the staff down. It heals, increases damage done by you and your group ( by 8 % ), increases physical resistance and spell resistance.

alexkdd99 · December 2016

Synroth wrote: »

I don't really understand why you wouldn't run skills to support others. Sustain for others = More DPS = a faster run. (If the DPS actually uses the synergies, and can DPS). I cringe when I throw a shard for Stamina DPS and they just let it sit there. Or, bust out a bunch of Mystic Orbs just to watch them float through trash. However, even with DPS not using the synergies shards is great AoE DPS, you should be using this regardless.

I always have Shards, just can't give up the AoE DPS and the 10% crit passive if you aren't running another Spear ability on your bar. I will rotate between Mystic Orbs, Elemental Drain, Siphon Spirit, and Repentance depending on what DPS I'm running with and the gear/weapons I'm wearing.

This all the way. Exactly how I run my templar. I very rarely respec my skills though. I use blazing spear almost exclusively since I am almost always pugging and they really help out. Repentance is changed out quite frequently though.

Can tell op leans towards stam though. No mention of ele drain or orbs.

driosketch · December 2016

Best skill, you mean healing ritual? Oh, you mean the stamina return skills.

Haven't you heard? There is a healer's guild strike on using stam sustain skills until the other class healers start getting work. /s

Seriously though, sometimes you don't have any stam dps in the group. A templar dps can , and often does, run repentance and shards anyways. And I feel, for dungeons, any decent tank can manage their own resorces.

But, if you need resorce help, magicka or stamina, then speak up at the start of the dungeon. Don't just assume it will be there once you're already in the middle of the fight.

Delta1038 · December 2016

I pretty much never use repentance, mostly because it feels redundant and unnecessary. I have never had an issue with magicka preventing me from healing so I tend to prefer radiant aura to boost stats across the board. As for shards, I do try to use that but I just am no as big a fan of Aedric Spear as I am for Dawn's Wrath it seems. I like putting the light column on enemies a lot and of course the laser beam from my hand is one of my only actual offensive maneuvers. I might consider using shards more often but I have had some say its the best thing in the world and others say they would rather I focus on other skills. So I am admittedly uncertain about this.

Mitoice · December 2016

Im a healer on this game, and i DONT use repentance on dungeons.... Sorry im not dying of boredom just healing and supporting the group on a dungeon, if you cant sustain your stamina on a crappy easy dungeon like elden hollow or fungal grotto to name a few, you need to look at your build again. I only use my support build on trials or things like vDSA, vRoM. For all other times i am a DPS/healer without repentance but with shards for procs of skoria helmet. spell Power Cure for dungeons?? hahahahahaha yea right

IronCrystal · December 2016

As for the question about cooldowns on synergies, I hears at least shards had a 15 second cooldown. Not sure if the cooldown is the same for all synergies.

Mitoice · December 2016

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Mojmir wrote: »

Our healer has the easiest job,since one of the dps runs shards,rep,drain.

This build is sooo boring, majority of healers like me dont use unless is a trial or something challenging. Expect few healers running repentance on less challenging dungeons.

Shimmer · December 2016

I heal tank and dps on one toon as Templar and use repent as it fills my stam for blocking and fills my group mates for prime deeps.

Cryptical · December 2016

We are not your spare batteries.

SickDuck · December 2016

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

Hey dps,

If you are using steel tornado on one mob, don't expect shards.

Sincerely a templar healer.

Steel tornado is my execute on stamsorc...

IronCrystal · December 2016

SickDuck wrote: »

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

Hey dps,

If you are using steel tornado on one mob, don't expect shards.

Sincerely a templar healer.

Steel tornado is my execute on stamsorc...

Yet it still does less damage than rapid strikes and drains your stamina like a plug pulled from a bathtub.

As for healing, I am a vet trials healer so I always run full buffs/debuffs to help practice for when I am in a trial. I don't always run repentance as shards are usually more than enough.

It also depends who you are running with. I know lots of high end dps who sacrifice some resource management to maximize damage. My buffs to them are worth more than any dps I could pull myself. SPC and Infallible Aether are very powerful even in dungeons. I'm not saying it's a requirement to wear those to heal but they can be the most effective since most of the dmg buffs are % based.

hedna123b14_ESO · December 2016

Any healer that does DPS while healing that isnt running shards is bad...one of the hardest hitting AoE skills in the game and it CC's...

Stopnaggin · December 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Since I have started tanking with my DK I really notice a lot of Templar Healers that really don't understand their best and most basic group skills or don't care. I am absolutely shocked that the majority of Templars don't even bother to run with repentance or throw shards. This is not only low level players either, I have run into plenty high CP Templars that don't run these basic skills.

Maybe I am telling you how to play, but two abilities that help the group so much and you don't run them? Really ? Do you realize how bad other classes would love to have those two skills for healing?

My main is a Templar healer and I have been running shards and repent since I acquired the skills. Templar Healer is all I used to play so I never saw any other healers and what skills they ran or didn't run. I just assumed they all ran these two abilities. Who wouldn't use an instant free heal that also fills your group with STA ? Are you kidding me ?

Come on!

It isnt that surprising. It isnt needed for like 95% of the game. So i guess it isnt surprising that no one get use to using it.

There is zero reason not to use repentance, sorry man. Not one reason to NOT have that ability slotted. Only reason would be that someone else is using it.

Not one reason, then you give one reason. Lol

KochDerDamonen · December 2016

I ask if people in my party need help with their resources before we start.

If yes, I enter full battery mode and rip them apart if their dps doesn't impress.

If no, I get to do whatever I want

Khaos_Bane · December 2016

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Since I have started tanking with my DK I really notice a lot of Templar Healers that really don't understand their best and most basic group skills or don't care. I am absolutely shocked that the majority of Templars don't even bother to run with repentance or throw shards. This is not only low level players either, I have run into plenty high CP Templars that don't run these basic skills.

Maybe I am telling you how to play, but two abilities that help the group so much and you don't run them? Really ? Do you realize how bad other classes would love to have those two skills for healing?

My main is a Templar healer and I have been running shards and repent since I acquired the skills. Templar Healer is all I used to play so I never saw any other healers and what skills they ran or didn't run. I just assumed they all ran these two abilities. Who wouldn't use an instant free heal that also fills your group with STA ? Are you kidding me ?

Come on!

It isnt that surprising. It isnt needed for like 95% of the game. So i guess it isnt surprising that no one get use to using it.

There is zero reason not to use repentance, sorry man. Not one reason to NOT have that ability slotted. Only reason would be that someone else is using it.

Not one reason, then you give one reason. Lol

You know what I mean .... but yeah, lol

Khaos_Bane · December 2016

Cryptical wrote: »

We are not your spare batteries.

Yes, we should be.

Khaos_Bane · December 2016

Nax wrote: »

olivesforge
Try using Repent instead of Radiant on Kena. Or the tree-minder. Or Nereineth. 3 good reasons right there.

I would think most reasonable pepole would understand that "always have Repentance on your bar" also implies "...in situations with multiple enemies, not a single boss." Lol

Qbiken wrote: »

Even worse is when u get a healer in your group that doesn´t use healing springs.....

In my opinion, as a templar healer, healing springs is only needed in a couple of vet dungeon situations, depending on the group you run with. Trials are of course another animal all together. If I'm pugging and I see that the group likes to camp in red poop, then I'll slot it. But when running with my friends, rapid and ritual of retribution are all the healing we need. HoTs mean I can spend the time I would've spent using Healing Springs to do other things to benefit the group, like buffing, debuffing and doing damage.

Agreed on HS, it's a great ability though. If I am in a very good high DPS group I basically only need to use repent through trash. Many boss fights only need extended and repid regen with combat prayer or BoL sprinkled in and of course ele drain . Otherwise I throw shards and DPS as I can.

Advice for New Templar Healers:

Use Healing Springs and use it A LOT. You won't have problems with mana and it's tremendous healing with cleansing ritual up. It will also teach you to focus on the fight rather gimp yourself with BoL. It will teach you good habits so use it.

Be sure to set your targeted AoE to automatic to make it even better.

Tinus_92 · December 2016

Maining a templar DPS who also jumps into dungeons as a healer occassionally. This is with SPC/Aether, combat prayer, horn, orbs, repentance, etc. However don't expect me to run the Luminous Shards morph. If you even consider to DPS with your templar as well, the Blazing Spear morph is a must, this morph being our main multi-target skill, and the differences in recovery aren't even that big.

Kutsuu · December 2016

Judging from some of the replies here (not naming names), I get the feeling that some people choose not to run useful skills like repentance with spiteful reasoning. "How dare you depend on this skill and expect me to use it. I'm not your slave!" they think to themselves. While I'm just saying to myself "It would save me using these white stam pots and I could block cast steel tornado to avoid some damage." If you always expect the worst in people, you'll always be bitter and hateful and they'll prove you right as a reaction to your nasty behavior.

bareheiny · December 2016

Kutsuu wrote: »

Judging from some of the replies here (not naming names), I get the feeling that some people choose not to run useful skills like repentance with spiteful reasoning. "How dare you depend on this skill and expect me to use it. I'm not your slave!" they think to themselves. While I'm just saying to myself "It would save me using these white stam pots and I could block cast steel tornado to avoid some damage." If you always expect the worst in people, you'll always be bitter and hateful and they'll prove you right as a reaction to your nasty behavior.

Or maybe they simply prefer to run skills other than repentance and shards.

Are you running low on resources? Maybe ask if the Templar healer in the group can help out. If they chose not to (for any reason), suck it up and adjust your play style.

As a Templar, I sure won't be telling you what skills you need to have to heal / DPS / tank....so please return the courtesy.

disintegr8 · December 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

It's like people still haven't realized that 80% of healers in the groupfinder are dps with a minimal amount of healing slotted. Dps healers trying to reduce their queue times are not going to run support abilities.

This is nearly as prevalent as DPS queuing as tanks these days. A DPS with a resto staff is not a healer.

I would suggest that anyone wanting to create a healer should have a go at running a tank and DPS so they get the feel for what the roles are like and what they need or could benefit from. I have learnt not to rely on healers for stamina regen on my stam tanks and DPS, so they are pretty much self sufficient with it.

However when my healer is running, repentance and shards are virtually spammed.

Delta1038 · December 2016

I will say that while I understand the arguments of preferred setups for the healer, I could just as easily make arguments for the setups for the tank and dps. If I had a nickle for every time the tank would not hold threat and sit off on the egdes shooting with a bow while the dps spread out and tanked a ton of damage... If I was in a guild and working consistently with people I would probably tailor some of my setup for their preferences but as I use the activity finder I use what is the most broadly effective and interests me. And it is because I do join with randoms that I don't generally comment on their tactics/setup and operate with what I feel is the best setup.

Kutsuu · December 2016

bareheiny wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Judging from some of the replies here (not naming names), I get the feeling that some people choose not to run useful skills like repentance with spiteful reasoning. "How dare you depend on this skill and expect me to use it. I'm not your slave!" they think to themselves. While I'm just saying to myself "It would save me using these white stam pots and I could block cast steel tornado to avoid some damage." If you always expect the worst in people, you'll always be bitter and hateful and they'll prove you right as a reaction to your nasty behavior.

Or maybe they simply prefer to run skills other than repentance and shards.

Are you running low on resources? Maybe ask if the Templar healer in the group can help out. If they chose not to (for any reason), suck it up and adjust your play style.

As a Templar, I sure won't be telling you what skills you need to have to heal / DPS / tank....so please return the courtesy.

Maybe you missed the word "some"? Sure, what you say is certainly another part of "some." I'm just going based off the way some people have been talking spitefully about how people shouldn't depend on their awesome support abilities. It comes across the way I described.

Also like I made clear in my post, I just use white stam pots and don't block cast anything to keep my stam up - not every healer is a templar so I come prepared. If the healer is just spamming rapid regen I'll even swap to my VMA build and heal myself. It isn't about being able to take care of yourself or not.

As a DPS I'm also expected to do certain things - like be capable of solo DPSing down one of the tormentors on FGII second boss when the other DPS gets chained down. I expect to be called out if I don't do my job. The only thing up for debate here is whether supporting the group above and beyond just healing is part of a healer's job.

Khaos_Bane · December 2016

bareheiny wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Judging from some of the replies here (not naming names), I get the feeling that some people choose not to run useful skills like repentance with spiteful reasoning. "How dare you depend on this skill and expect me to use it. I'm not your slave!" they think to themselves. While I'm just saying to myself "It would save me using these white stam pots and I could block cast steel tornado to avoid some damage." If you always expect the worst in people, you'll always be bitter and hateful and they'll prove you right as a reaction to your nasty behavior.

Or maybe they simply prefer to run skills other than repentance and shards.

Are you running low on resources? Maybe ask if the Templar healer in the group can help out. If they chose not to (for any reason), suck it up and adjust your play style.

As a Templar, I sure won't be telling you what skills you need to have to heal / DPS / tank....so please return the courtesy.

I don't buy it, I have expectations of DPS and the Tank as well. They should also have expectations when playing as a group.

Dojohoda · December 2016

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vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

Dojohoda wrote: »

Not to be taken seriously. Just for laughs

https://youtu.be/2DxS7eT_ky4

Argh!! I love this thing. And stop posting it!! Ive seen it like 900 times and i have to watch it everytime someone post it again!

exeeter702 · December 2016

Sorry but this is ridiculous. Why on earth would i set up a trail healing loadout for some crap 4 man vet dungeons? If my tank is so terrible that he/she cannot manage their resources then i will simply take over their job with a single swap out for inner fire. It literally becomes counter productive when you are providing utility to players that shouldnt need it when you can do their job while still healing the group, they literally become dead weight.

Likewise, if your dps are solid and on point they absolutley wont need resource utiltiy because nothing in 4 man dungeons last long enough for it to even matter ffs. And most smart, rotation tight dps players have their builds doen to a T anyways. And if the dps is abyamal or simply under par? Why on earth would i dump shards or repentence their way when i can setup a bar that provides far more dps to the group via my own rotations than any amount of resource return, life on hit or any other overkill utility for vet dungeons could ever hope provide them?

meeting your group half way is one thing. Setting up a templar healer with utility suited for healing a trial group and running ver dungeons just feels embarassing and a waste of effort.

me_ming · December 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Since I have started tanking with my DK I really notice a lot of Templar Healers that really don't understand their best and most basic group skills or don't care. I am absolutely shocked that the majority of Templars don't even bother to run with repentance or throw shards. This is not only low level players either, I have run into plenty high CP Templars that don't run these basic skills.

Maybe I am telling you how to play, but two abilities that help the group so much and you don't run them? Really ? Do you realize how bad other classes would love to have those two skills for healing?

My main is a Templar healer and I have been running shards and repent since I acquired the skills. Templar Healer is all I used to play so I never saw any other healers and what skills they ran or didn't run. I just assumed they all ran these two abilities. Who wouldn't use an instant free heal that also fills your group with STA ? Are you kidding me ?

Come on!

It is very common for many Templar healers who don't use Repentance and Shards. I run a Templar healer too, and you're right, those two skills really what sets the Templar-healer apart from the other class healers. But what even shocks me the most is that most Templar-healers (I've run with when I am on my DPS toons) is they don't use, some haven't even heard of, Harness Magicka. That together with Repentance and Shards are probably the most ignored skills by Templar-healers, and yet those skills are probably the most essential skills. Sure you can argue that they may not be as important in some fights/situations, but these are skills you should have leveled when you want to roll a Temp-healer when you're still leveling.

me_ming · December 2016

Qbiken wrote: »

Even worse is when u get a healer in your group that doesn´t use healing springs.....

Healing Springs is useless in most 4-man dungeon. The skill is best for 12-man trials.

The only other situation that healing springs is a must is during last boss in FGII, other than that, I would rather slot mutagen/RR than healing springs.