Hey Templar Healers...What's Up with not using your best skills?

Khaos_Bane · December 2016

Since I have started tanking with my DK I really notice a lot of Templar Healers that really don't understand their best and most basic group skills or don't care. I am absolutely shocked that the majority of Templars don't even bother to run with repentance or throw shards. This is not only low level players either, I have run into plenty high CP Templars that don't run these basic skills.

Maybe I am telling you how to play, but two abilities that help the group so much and you don't run them? Really ? Do you realize how bad other classes would love to have those two skills for healing?

My main is a Templar healer and I have been running shards and repent since I acquired the skills. Templar Healer is all I used to play so I never saw any other healers and what skills they ran or didn't run. I just assumed they all ran these two abilities. Who wouldn't use an instant free heal that also fills your group with STA ? Are you kidding me ?

Come on!

Mettaricana · December 2016

Aggravating when we running a tank or stam dps and healer spamming blazing and not shards or repentance

Kutsuu · December 2016

I ran a vet pledge with a 561 templar yesterday who not only didn't use shards or repentance, but just spammed rapid regen the whole time.

Just remember, ZOS says it's all about choice. You're trying to thumb these templars down, you elitist scum! (sarcasm)

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Meh.

vanillexhope · December 2016

Constructive feedback is useful. I'm leveling a Templar right now. My ultimate goal is to heal, but I'm not ready for that yet. So threads like this are helpful. Thank you.

jaye63 · December 2016

My Templar doesnt use either of those and can heal better than those who do.

(sarcasm- I dont heal on my Templar)

EvilCroc · December 2016

Hey, I'm thinking how to stop using them! It's already almost vertebral thing. Shards, springs, shards, repentance, BoL... enough! I just don't want to help stamina players anymore. I don't like stamina players. I'll better start using orbs. They are cool now. But I need to gain new reflexes for it. It's painful.

NewBlacksmurf · December 2016

Honestly....while I have shards but I have a different morph instead of repentance, you have to think about the flak we get

Consider that everyone isn't playing the roles the same and moreso in dungeons, the only role other than dps is a healer who often is required to dps to finish content.

Good or bad, nothing should be assumed as no one can inspect another. Ask if you want it but there's also a reality that if you're build is 90% or more dependent upon shards or repentance....there's a real problem as all healers aren't Templars.

I'd say you shouldn't consider it required or a pre-requisite

(You'll also hear the exact opposite as people will all have their opinions)

I can tell you tho, it's not suppose to be expected.
If you get it and want it....it's a bonus to your intended gameplay choices.

AcadianPaladin · December 2016

Same here on this thread being helpful. I voraciously read all such threads about magplars. My healer is young and learning. She's all over the wonderful skill of repentance but Spear shards was picked up long ago when her focus was more on staying alive herself - so she took the Blazing Spear morph for its offense.

This thread prompted me to review the Spear Shards morphs and having tried to help others as a healer, I now see and agree how the Luminous Shards morph is better support. I see a morph repec coming. Thanks!

RoyalPink06 · December 2016

my main is a Templar healer. I spam shards like crazy, since I mostly spec for pure healing and shards is good for the CC and AOE in addition to the synergy (any little bit helps) - its kinda the only DPS I have sometimes lol. I don't run repentance UNLESS nobody else in the group has it. No point in more than 1 person having it, especially if the other person gets the corpses before you.

mdylan2013 · December 2016

I use them, but only in trials. I don't really see the need during dungeon content. Most people don't struggle for resources as the fights are very short.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Since I have started tanking with my DK I really notice a lot of Templar Healers that really don't understand their best and most basic group skills or don't care. I am absolutely shocked that the majority of Templars don't even bother to run with repentance or throw shards. This is not only low level players either, I have run into plenty high CP Templars that don't run these basic skills.

Maybe I am telling you how to play, but two abilities that help the group so much and you don't run them? Really ? Do you realize how bad other classes would love to have those two skills for healing?

My main is a Templar healer and I have been running shards and repent since I acquired the skills. Templar Healer is all I used to play so I never saw any other healers and what skills they ran or didn't run. I just assumed they all ran these two abilities. Who wouldn't use an instant free heal that also fills your group with STA ? Are you kidding me ?

Come on!

It isnt that surprising. It isnt needed for like 95% of the game. So i guess it isnt surprising that no one get use to using it.

Synroth · December 2016

I don't really understand why you wouldn't run skills to support others. Sustain for others = More DPS = a faster run. (If the DPS actually uses the synergies, and can DPS). I cringe when I throw a shard for Stamina DPS and they just let it sit there. Or, bust out a bunch of Mystic Orbs just to watch them float through trash. However, even with DPS not using the synergies shards is great AoE DPS, you should be using this regardless.

I always have Shards, just can't give up the AoE DPS and the 10% crit passive if you aren't running another Spear ability on your bar. I will rotate between Mystic Orbs, Elemental Drain, Siphon Spirit, and Repentance depending on what DPS I'm running with and the gear/weapons I'm wearing.

AlexTech0x · December 2016

Well i main a templar healer, and it's not only Repentance or Shards. Ele Drain? Siphon Spirit? Combat Prayer? Light's Champion? MAJOR MENDING?!?!?! IA heavy attacks??? wwwwtttttttffffff farm SPC now!

When im on my DPS sometimes i do 30k DPS or 45k DPS and a good healer that actually plays for the group rather than itself makes a HUGE difference.

BTW, it's everything that makes templars amazing healers, not just repentance.

Takes-No-Prisoner · December 2016

RoyalPink06 wrote: »

my main is a Templar healer. I spam shards like crazy, since I mostly spec for pure healing and shards is good for the CC and AOE in addition to the synergy (any little bit helps) - its kinda the only DPS I have sometimes lol. I don't run repentance UNLESS nobody else in the group has it. No point in more than 1 person having it, especially if the other person gets the corpses before you.

Pretty much. With it not being interrupt able compared to something like Radiant or Dark Flare, some times throwing Shards is all you can do in something like PvP.

Khaos_Bane · December 2016

mdylan2013 wrote: »

I use them, but only in trials. I don't really see the need during dungeon content. Most people don't struggle for resources as the fights are very short.

This can be true if you are running with a very well equipped group, but that's not typical.

Khaos_Bane · December 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Since I have started tanking with my DK I really notice a lot of Templar Healers that really don't understand their best and most basic group skills or don't care. I am absolutely shocked that the majority of Templars don't even bother to run with repentance or throw shards. This is not only low level players either, I have run into plenty high CP Templars that don't run these basic skills.

Maybe I am telling you how to play, but two abilities that help the group so much and you don't run them? Really ? Do you realize how bad other classes would love to have those two skills for healing?

My main is a Templar healer and I have been running shards and repent since I acquired the skills. Templar Healer is all I used to play so I never saw any other healers and what skills they ran or didn't run. I just assumed they all ran these two abilities. Who wouldn't use an instant free heal that also fills your group with STA ? Are you kidding me ?

Come on!

It isnt that surprising. It isnt needed for like 95% of the game. So i guess it isnt surprising that no one get use to using it.

There is zero reason not to use repentance, sorry man. Not one reason to NOT have that ability slotted. Only reason would be that someone else is using it.

pattyLtd · December 2016

As a stam dk tank i agree that i can manage without them(shards) in most if not all vet dungeons but it sure makes things easier.

As for people not using the synergies it doesnt always let me not sure why bit sometimes i see the damn thing bit dont get the synergy option to popup

olivesforge · December 2016

There's a lot of options for a temp healer, but sometimes it's better to throw buffs and up HPS versus worrying about other player's regen issues.

Shards I always have around, but Radiant Aura is massively underused. Ever since soft caps were dumped, keeping Radiant up every 15 seconds grants ongoing Major Fortitude & Endurance. That's more helpful than waiting for bodies to drop to grant a one-off.

Also, there's something to be said for running a lot of these dungeons with a .75 healer, meaning that when healers aren't overly busy, they're getting a few shots in. I know that is heresy, but if you've ever been in a group with a healer that can throw DPS reliably while healing (AND VERY FEW HEALERS ARE EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO DO THAT -so this is a major "if") your runs will go incredibly fast.

For bosses like Kena, having a HealPS can save one's rear.

DigitalShibby · December 2016

I personally use spears, orbs, repentance, combat prayer, ele drain, etc. I've played a Templar healer as my one and only character for multiple years now.. so for me it seems like second nature but I can see for new players or healers how it could be challenging to add in all these other resource buffs, at the right time, + watch where group members are, anticipate damage, and heal through it, plus manage their own resources and add damage when able... gotta remember that not everyone healing on ESO right now is a pro, nothing wrong with that. In time after enough critiques in dungeons and or kicks lol, they will eventually switch up there build to be more group friendly.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Since I have started tanking with my DK I really notice a lot of Templar Healers that really don't understand their best and most basic group skills or don't care. I am absolutely shocked that the majority of Templars don't even bother to run with repentance or throw shards. This is not only low level players either, I have run into plenty high CP Templars that don't run these basic skills.

Maybe I am telling you how to play, but two abilities that help the group so much and you don't run them? Really ? Do you realize how bad other classes would love to have those two skills for healing?

My main is a Templar healer and I have been running shards and repent since I acquired the skills. Templar Healer is all I used to play so I never saw any other healers and what skills they ran or didn't run. I just assumed they all ran these two abilities. Who wouldn't use an instant free heal that also fills your group with STA ? Are you kidding me ?

Come on!

It isnt that surprising. It isnt needed for like 95% of the game. So i guess it isnt surprising that no one get use to using it.

There is zero reason not to use repentance, sorry man. Not one reason to NOT have that ability slotted. Only reason would be that someone else is using it.

Except you dont need it for most the content in the game. As a templar you could do almost all the content with one skill. Pokey pokey pokey.

I know repentance is useful. I use it on my healer and my stamplar. It sounds cooler to throw out absolutes. But in reality most of the content makes it pointless. So sometimes even people who have it slotted forget to use it, because most of the time there is no need.

olivesforge · December 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

There is zero reason not to use repentance, sorry man. Not one reason to NOT have that ability slotted. Only reason would be that someone else is using it.

Try using Repent instead of Radiant on Kena. Or the tree-minder. Or Nereineth. 3 good reasons right there.

Khaos_Bane · December 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Since I have started tanking with my DK I really notice a lot of Templar Healers that really don't understand their best and most basic group skills or don't care. I am absolutely shocked that the majority of Templars don't even bother to run with repentance or throw shards. This is not only low level players either, I have run into plenty high CP Templars that don't run these basic skills.

Maybe I am telling you how to play, but two abilities that help the group so much and you don't run them? Really ? Do you realize how bad other classes would love to have those two skills for healing?

My main is a Templar healer and I have been running shards and repent since I acquired the skills. Templar Healer is all I used to play so I never saw any other healers and what skills they ran or didn't run. I just assumed they all ran these two abilities. Who wouldn't use an instant free heal that also fills your group with STA ? Are you kidding me ?

Come on!

It isnt that surprising. It isnt needed for like 95% of the game. So i guess it isnt surprising that no one get use to using it.

There is zero reason not to use repentance, sorry man. Not one reason to NOT have that ability slotted. Only reason would be that someone else is using it.

Except you dont need it for most the content in the game. As a templar you could do almost all the content with one skill. Pokey pokey pokey.

I know repentance is useful. I use it on my healer and my stamplar. It sounds cooler to throw out absolutes. But in reality most of the content makes it pointless. So sometimes even people who have it slotted forget to use it, because most of the time there is no need.

Not in 4 man content, sorry. Of course you don't need the skill to complete anything. Obviously other classes heal dungeons successfully.

Ozstryker · December 2016

pattyLtd wrote: »

As a stam dk tank i agree that i can manage without them(shards) in most if not all vet dungeons but it sure makes things easier.

As for people not using the synergies it doesnt always let me not sure why bit sometimes i see the damn thing bit dont get the synergy option to popup

Fully agree, I never understood the cool down on synergies, if anyone knows please tell

There is nothing worse than not being able to pick up that stamina boost, or watching an orb idley float by! Perhaps if this info was clearer healers would use these skills more!

Qbiken · December 2016

Even worse is when u get a healer in your group that doesn´t use healing springs.....

vamp_emily · December 2016

vanillexhope wrote: »

Constructive feedback is useful. I'm leveling a Templar right now. My ultimate goal is to heal, but I'm not ready for that yet. So threads like this are helpful. Thank you.

One thing I would do ( if you haven't done it yet ) is go to PvP and get War Horn and you want to morph it to Aggressive War Horn. I suggest doing this before hitting level 50. Alliance War skills are much easier to get in low level PvP, such as Black waters.

Nocturnalan · December 2016

I'm a new Healer/player and I always keep shards on boss and or tank and will even throw to DPS that asks for it. I don't use Repentance however because it's so populated that I use the 20% buff morph instead. Basically my build is based mostly on what the group wants me to do, I understand I'm a support class and I do keep that in mind but dammit don't call me a scrub level healer because I don't use Repentance!

vanillexhope · December 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

vanillexhope wrote: »

Constructive feedback is useful. I'm leveling a Templar right now. My ultimate goal is to heal, but I'm not ready for that yet. So threads like this are helpful. Thank you.

One thing I would do ( if you haven't done it yet ) is go to PvP and get War Horn and you want to morph it to Aggressive War Horn. I suggest doing this before hitting level 50. Alliance War skills are much easier to get in low level PvP, such as Black waters.

Thank you for this tip!

Mojmir · December 2016

Our healer has the easiest job,since one of the dps runs shards,rep,drain.

biovitalb16_ESO · December 2016

Hey dps,

If you are using steel tornado on one mob, don't expect shards.

Sincerely a templar healer.

timidobserver · December 2016

It's like people still haven't realized that 80% of healers in the groupfinder are dps with a minimal amount of healing slotted. Dps healers trying to reduce their queue times are not going to run support abilities.