danno8 wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

i seen words comparing eso to skyrim, and saying its great skyrim wasnt about grinding. well good news dude, removal of grinding is why any real es fan hates skyrim. it makes no sense in skyrim to run around stealth killing *** then get increase in health. it makes no sense sit there for 2 hours getting bashed to get magicka. none whatsoever. did you know when they announced eso i wasnt surprised? why because skyrim was the test for the eso system of magicka/health/stamina model of damage scaling. because lets face it its more realistic that if you wanna be better with a sword and have greater strength you use a *** *** sword. the post-arena pre-skyrim system of stat lvling was near perfection for a rpg game. imo i would rather es6 go back to the old system with some changes like all resources go up each lvl by the same system as health did at lvl up you gain x% increase based on the stats that effect that pool. this means you want the biggest health pool, the biggest mana pool, or the biggest stamina pool, you have to focus on lvling the associated attributes. in fact i would go a step further and make each of the 3 pools based on 2 of the stats differing from each other and all share luck stat. this means if you want the maximum health, your stamina and magicka wont be as high as someone who focus'd on stamina or someone who focused on magicka. this would have created a better system then what skyrim had while maintaining the realism feel that daggerfall, morrowind, oblivion system of skill lvling to lvl raising had.

Except for one thing. Remember in Oblivion where you had to set the skills you actually wanted to use as Minor skills so that you could level them up without increasing your actually player level too fast so that you could get all the +5 attribute bonuses at level up?

And then you had to set skills that you would never really want to use as Major skills so that when you were done getting all the +5 attribute bonuses you would just spam a worthless Major skill to actually level up?

Yah that was far from perfection in my mind. But if you didn't work the system this way, or you didn't know this is how it works, every level up was a potential gimping of your character since all the baddies levelled with you.

rofl easily 70% maybe even more of the fun to be had in an elder scroll game was nothing but figuring out how you were gonna lvl up your character. *** think about it you can beat the game without ever lvling up if you wanted to. the quests were not all that difficult. the grind to lvling was the best part of elder scrolls. you actually felt like a warrior. skyrim, eso, you dont feel like a warrior in training. rather you feel like some kid the gods picked up tossed on some enchanted armor and said hey go slay the mighty dragon who cannot hurt you in this magic armor.

I agree with you that building your character and advancing their skills how you want is a large part of Elder Scrolls games. But I disagree that micro managing major/minor advancement or even realizing at level 10 that setting the skills you want to max out as major skills was a huge mistake and restarting your character is a whole lot of fun.

To fix it, they should have simply awarded generic experience for levelling (that you get by questing/fighting/smithing/alchemy etc...), separate from the experience you get for raising skills and allow the attribute bonuses to keep accruing even if you have hit a level up point. That way you could "sleep" and level up only when you had all the bonuses you wanted, and making your main skills as major skills would actually make sense.

Darkstorne wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

...Dude. Do you realize how bad a 20-minute respawn timer would be in a multiplayer game? How quickly people would exploit that to get the mobs right when they pop? How few casual players would ever get to kill anything at all, because all the vets are sweeping through the area, grinding mobs? And what about mobs that drop materials? Would each wolf carry 30 pieces of leather? What about the crafters who just don't get to their mobs on time? No.... a 20-minute spawn timer is just a bad, bad idea.

Easily solved by solo phasing, or highly infrequent phasing with other players. Keep dolmens and world boss areas as group phase locations, as well as group dungeons, but make the vast majority of dungeons and exterior environments solo experiences. That way mobs can be much more spaced out, designed to interact with and patrol the world instead of staying fixed to their spots 30 yards away from each other as exp pinatas. Rather than having zones swarming with mobs everywhere you look, they could far less common if there are no players to compete with for exp, and that way they could also provide a lot more exp per kill. The game could integrate spaces where scenery isn't interrupted by mobs, and you won't keep seeing packs of them respawn under your nose.

That's (sort of) the approach Destiny took. Not solo phasing, but encountering players outside of the city hub is much rarer than in traditional MMOs. It builds a much more spacious atmosphere, boosts immersion when you're questing (so when that quest NPC acts like you're the only adventurer around, you could believe him for once), and all without killing the social aspects of MMOs since they're found in cities and group dungeons/PVP zones.

It amazes me the number of people who think MMO must mean a game swarming with players at every turn.

nordsavage wrote: »

You can play ESO perfectly well as a single-player game, like Skyrim but with built-in chat so you can talk to your friends as you play. You only NEED to group with people for group dungeons and Trials. You can go around talking to the NPCs and treating the PCs as NPCs who weren't programmed with dialogue, if you want. "Jumping and twirling like ice-skating princesses with destruction staves"? Eh, these poor folk are possessed by Sheogorath. Let's hope they find their way to a Healer or the Shivering Isles soon.

OOJIMMY wrote: »

All the skyrim kids think eso was supposed to be skyrim 2. That's like getting mad at halo wars for not playing like halo.
Skyrim was trash compared oblivion and morrowwind. The only thing Skyrim had was pretty graphics and more than 6 voice actors.

Darkstorne wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

...Dude. Do you realize how bad a 20-minute respawn timer would be in a multiplayer game? How quickly people would exploit that to get the mobs right when they pop? How few casual players would ever get to kill anything at all, because all the vets are sweeping through the area, grinding mobs? And what about mobs that drop materials? Would each wolf carry 30 pieces of leather? What about the crafters who just don't get to their mobs on time? No.... a 20-minute spawn timer is just a bad, bad idea.

Easily solved by solo phasing, or highly infrequent phasing with other players. Keep dolmens and world boss areas as group phase locations, as well as group dungeons, but make the vast majority of dungeons and exterior environments solo experiences. That way mobs can be much more spaced out, designed to interact with and patrol the world instead of staying fixed to their spots 30 yards away from each other as exp pinatas. Rather than having zones swarming with mobs everywhere you look, they could far less common if there are no players to compete with for exp, and that way they could also provide a lot more exp per kill. The game could integrate spaces where scenery isn't interrupted by mobs, and you won't keep seeing packs of them respawn under your nose.

That's (sort of) the approach Destiny took. Not solo phasing, but encountering players outside of the city hub is much rarer than in traditional MMOs. It builds a much more spacious atmosphere, boosts immersion when you're questing (so when that quest NPC acts like you're the only adventurer around, you could believe him for once), and all without killing the social aspects of MMOs since they're found in cities and group dungeons/PVP zones.

It amazes me the number of people who think MMO must mean a game swarming with players at every turn.