Shonuff, but wtf is myervins? is it this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mervyn's

Mervyn's was an American middle scale department store chain based in Hayward, California, and founded by Mervin G. Morris. It carried national brands of clothing, footwear, bedding, furniture, jewelry, beauty products, electronics, and housewares. Many of the company's stores were in shopping malls. Based on 2005 revenue, Mervyn's was the eighty-third largest retailer in the United States.[1]

In 2006, Mervyn's had 189 stores in 10 states.[2] One year later, Mervyn's had reduced its store count to 177 stores in 7 states. On October 17, 2008, the company announced that it would liquidate its assets through a Chapter 7 filing.[3][4] All remaining locations were closed by December 31 of that year. The Morris family, having bought back intellectual property rights to the company in 2009, announced plans to relaunch Mervyn's as an internet-based enterprise.[5]

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writing a post to complain about complaint posts... brilliant.

Runs wrote: »

I have found an unusual correlation. It seems whenever there is ESO down time my productivity in the real world increases at an alarming rate. This is highly interfering with my procrastinationalist belief structure. How can I properly put off something tomorrow if I have already done it today?

Why ZOS... WHY?!?!

Im retired. This is my job now.
Awesome reply BTW.

jaye63 wrote: »

Y'all act like you've never seen down time in an MMO or additional downtime over an unexpected error. In other words... y'all act like you've never played an MMO before. Every time there is unexpected downtime there is the usual few posts...
#1 condemning the devs
#2 demanding compensation for not being able to play
#3 ridiculous ideas on how to prevent downtime
#4 comparing the MMO that is down to another MMO that is up(but also had unexpected downtime)
#5 a display of knowledge on how they could do better(the pseudo job app)
#6 a display of a complete lack of knowledge on how it all works
And #7 the one guy that trolls all of the other 6 because he's bored.

Seriously... If you were that good, you would be working there already, if any of the same ideas that have been tossed about for years would actually work, they would do them and if anything you say about it actually mattered, an employee would be letting you know how good and/or thoughtful your input was.

Y'all really need to chill. Im playing microsux card games, cribbage, spades, puzzle... still on the pc but not worrying about the downtime because I know that they'll fix it and I'll be playing again shortly. And in the greater scheme of things... even a week would be shortly compared to the amount of time I intend to play this game. Since August I have over 1000 hours in the game and foresee that kind of time spent for the next several years whether there is new content or not. I enjoy Elderscrolls that much. I have the complete collection and have been playing computer games since before there were hard drives.

Stop being so impatient and play something else for a couple of hours. Or better yet, go outside. Yes I know... the graphics are awesome but the gameplay sucks. But sitting here like the chick on the myervins commercial outside the closed door repeatedly saying *open open open...* isnt doing anyone any good.

You obviously just don't pay attention to anything that goes on here, and you just want to be "that guy". It's bad when they have to do maintenance two times in a row, because they can't take care of their game. Yes, crap does happen and it needs to be fixed. But there is NO reason for this much downtime if they actually did it right the first time, and actually cared about their game.

GW2?

Sogreth wrote: »

. Yes, crap does happen and it needs to be fixed. But there is NO reason for this much downtime
.

You realize that's a contradiction?

I'm not complaining about ZOS. I understand what it takes to keep something like this running bug free, hardware fail free, DDOS attack free, and on and on.

You arent just dealing with plugging in and playing. You are dealing with keeping people's information secure. You are dealing with a fine line of modding and being able to hack the game. This isnt your usual MMO where the game company controls 100% of what's going on here. You have no clue of what it takes to deal with this business. That's right, I said business. Which totally blows your *if they cared about it* argument. You just want to be whining to take out your frustration at not being able to play. Grow up Jr.

jaye63 wrote: »

Sogreth wrote: »

. Yes, crap does happen and it needs to be fixed. But there is NO reason for this much downtime
.

You realize that's a contradiction?

Nope it's not. You're rude and I don't like you though. I'm blackboxing you.

There needs to be a "downvote" button here, or a "disagree" so we can quickly close down useless threads like this one.

jaye63 wrote: »

Seriously... If you were that good, you would be working there already, if any of the same ideas that have been tossed about for years

And still we get double maintenance fiascoes. I don't care if there is downtime. Right now I'm chilling while waiting for some yummy butternut squash to finish up in the oven and doing xmas shopping on the internet, but seriously, we had a maintenance yesterday that messed things up and introduced some ridiculous lag into the game. And now today we have another one to fix what they broke or bugs that they created. This is pretty atrocious. They have a test server that apparently they don't even use. Do they even test their patches? Or do they just roll them out and let us be the beta? Perhaps they couldn't get the amount of virtual users through testing to see what really would happen in game once we are all playing, but I suspect they didn't even test it at all. And that's the thing. They give us a patch to fix stuff and inevitably it breaks stuff so we get more down time. Without even getting into how thoroughly inefficient this is, it seems a bit absurd because it commonly happens when they give us a patch. It's possibly why they started minimizing how often they do them. Again, I don't care that the game is down. I'm doing other things instead. I care that it speaks volumes about what their actual 'testing' process might be (or might not be at all) and that this is how they have chosen to run their company, caring more about crown crates than testing patches. Yes, patches should be tested. They have a PTS. Why aren't they using it?

I'm sooo looking forward to the first good MMO to eliminate downtimes because they based their platform upon Microservices!!

jaye63 wrote: »

Y'all act like you've never seen down time in an MMO or additional downtime over an unexpected error. In other words... y'all act like you've never played an MMO before. Every time there is unexpected downtime there is the usual few posts...
#1 condemning the devs
#2 demanding compensation for not being able to play
#3 ridiculous ideas on how to prevent downtime
#4 comparing the MMO that is down to another MMO that is up(but also had unexpected downtime)
#5 a display of knowledge on how they could do better(the pseudo job app)
#6 a display of a complete lack of knowledge on how it all works
And #7 the one guy that trolls all of the other 6 because he's bored.

Seriously... If you were that good, you would be working there already, if any of the same ideas that have been tossed about for years would actually work, they would do them and if anything you say about it actually mattered, an employee would be letting you know how good and/or thoughtful your input was.

Y'all really need to chill. Im playing microsux card games, cribbage, spades, puzzle... still on the pc but not worrying about the downtime because I know that they'll fix it and I'll be playing again shortly. And in the greater scheme of things... even a week would be shortly compared to the amount of time I intend to play this game. Since August I have over 1000 hours in the game and foresee that kind of time spent for the next several years whether there is new content or not. I enjoy Elderscrolls that much. I have the complete collection and have been playing computer games since before there were hard drives.

Stop being so impatient and play something else for a couple of hours. Or better yet, go outside. Yes I know... the graphics are awesome but the gameplay sucks. But sitting here like the chick on the myervins commercial outside the closed door repeatedly saying *open open open...* isnt doing anyone any good.

This is pure ignorance...I've played quite a few mmos over the last 16 years and this game is simply the worst. Complaining about people complaining and telling them other things they should do. Don't be a fool, man.

I'll just leave this here...

jaye63 wrote: »

xXSilverDragonXx wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

Seriously... If you were that good, you would be working there already, if any of the same ideas that have been tossed about for years

And still we get double maintenance fiascoes. I don't care if there is downtime. Right now I'm chilling while waiting for some yummy butternut squash to finish up in the oven and doing xmas shopping on the internet, but seriously, we had a maintenance yesterday that messed things up and introduced some ridiculous lag into the game. And now today we have another one to fix what they broke or bugs that they created. This is pretty atrocious. They have a test server that apparently they don't even use. Do they even test their patches? Or do they just roll them out and let us be the beta? Perhaps they couldn't get the amount of virtual users through testing to see what really would happen in game once we are all playing, but I suspect they didn't even test it at all. And that's the thing. They give us a patch to fix stuff and inevitably it breaks stuff so we get more down time. Without even getting into how thoroughly inefficient this is, it seems a bit absurd because it commonly happens when they give us a patch. It's possibly why they started minimizing how often they do them. Again, I don't care that the game is down. I'm doing other things instead. I care that it speaks volumes about what their actual 'testing' process might be (or might not be at all) and that this is how they have chosen to run their company, caring more about crown crates than testing patches. Yes, patches should be tested. They have a PTS. Why aren't they using it?

Do you know anything about coding a video game? Do you know anything about maintaining a server? Lets start at the very beginning ... at 80-150WPM, you will make mistakes and there is no spell check in coding. Sometimes you get bad equipment. Sometimes you push a restart before you actually have it fixed only to find it 30 minutes after and have to shut down again. Any number of things could be the issue. Your nonsensical rant tells me you know nothing about actually running a game, game company or a business.

Actually yes. I was on a software and system testing team for quite a few years and I know that there is a high probability that you know less than you like me to think. I know that from my experience in testing, the system should have a server they can do some fairly reasonable testing on before introducing the patch. I know for a fact that my company would have never have pretty much never had issues like what we see here so consistently because my team would have had to run testing before the patch was introduced. I know we likely would have been doing it for days. We would have tested loads, we would have done specific testing by playing the game. The patch would have been planned and therefore we would have had time to do some preliminary looks at what would happen. And if we needed to have maintenance after a patch my manager's manager (next in line for CEO) would have waned us to explain why we were not able to predict what happened. We would have also been working with the lead person on the network side of things. What specifically his job was I do not know because I was not involved in the network side. I was the tester who made sure that whatever the network side did did not make it so that people could not use the system, that it crashed, failed, had unexpected issues and/or bugs introduced. That is what a testing team does. That is why you have one. If *** like this went live in a fortune 500 company that has stockholders to answer to, and the system was shut down one day after the 'patch' much internal drama would ensue and nobody wants that kind of drama in the workplace because it leads to jobs lost. You don't want to upset shareholders.

So yes, I know quite probably far more than you do and my rants are not rants. You are the one ranting. I am simply asking questions, wondering what is going on, being inquisitive about a process that seems to be flawed. And now I am explaining what would have happened in the company I worked for because yes I do have experience on the testing side of it which is what I was asking about in the first place.