Alliance Points, Get Rid of Em

ArchMikem · December 2016

I'm serious guys I'm trying SO HARD to enjoy PvP, my Templar's a Corporal, Nightblade a Veteran I'm no errant PvE player by now, but it's not a War in Cyrodiil. It's just another big 'ol farm for organized groups and guilds to take advantage of. And what makes it worse is the cross faction scheming taking place during it. The Pact is advancing on a Dominion Alessia? Nope, there's a group of Destro Ult Blues blocking the passage, farming us. And even though it's in peak hours and a Pact Zerg is easily around, no one cares to deal with the Blues, and even other Pact and Dominion players walked over my dead ganked body to mingle with the farmers, deciding not to at least use a soul gem on me or even, oh I dunno, fight the supposed War going on?

At least if AP weren't around, it would be one less major reason for people to farm Cyrodiil and be forced to either leave or actually play the intended mechanic.

Or better yet, just remove AP gain from defeating enemy players. Make it so you only gain it from capturing Keeps and Resources, so at least that way people can keep getting their precious points while also being forced to play out the Campaign instead of camping Alessia Bridge or Bleakers. This is the only Multiplayer game where I've seen such rampant examples of players openly helping and cooperating with the enemy faction(s).

Unsent.Soul · December 2016

Are you unaware of the "bridge farm?"

ArchMikem · December 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Are you unaware of the "bridge farm?"

I have been and it shouldn't exist.

WhitePawPrints · December 2016

Remove AP and the infamous Alessia bridge will STILL be fought over and have gankers infesting it. It is the strongest bottleneck area in the game, and battles will continue to be fought there unless a major earthquake drastically changes the landscape.

I doubt people are farming it for AP because there is no defense bonus there. It's just good fun.

I have 3.9 million AP on my nightblade and haven't fought once on the Alessia bridge. When I wanted to boost my AP, I'd attack a resource and hold it deep in enemy territory. Kill anyone that tries to take it back, and get double the AP. That is farming AP.

quadraxis666 · December 2016

Alessia bridge, the Milegate between Fort Ash & Nikel, The Milegate between Bleakers & Chalman Keep. The crap OP describes is what's to be expected at these 3 locations, probably with the exception of Bleakers/Chalman because Blues are actually decent and will push right up to the keep and get D-ticks at the mine lol

idk · December 2016

@ArchMikem

For one, something is needed. AP is not going to go away.

I think they reduced the AP gained from capturing resources because people were farming AP via capturing them. Devs wanted PvP to be more about players fighting players. I will not pretend to understand why.

Second. AP farming setups are fairly easy to notice and one has the choice to walk away from them.

KrishakPanettier · December 2016

AP is the only reason for Cyrodiil. Get rid of AP, get rid of PVP. There are many other methods of actually correcting what you complain, that need to be addressed, vetted, and then a fix implemented.

disintegr8 · December 2016

KrishakPanettier wrote: »

AP is the only reason for Cyrodiil. Get rid of AP, get rid of PVP. There are many other methods of actually correcting what you complain, that need to be addressed, vetted, and then a fix implemented.

While I do not always appreciate being ganked, I agree that if you get rid of the incentives for people to fight each other (AP), you might as well get rid of PVP.

Isn't part of the challenge reaching your destination intact, improving your character or getting into a group so you can defeat the gankers?

As for changes, I would like to see changes that encourage alliances to defend possessions. Something that encourages you to leave some people at a newly taken keep for defence instead of everyone moving on. Maybe a loss of AP if it gets taken back in a certain time frame or an AP bonus if your alliance keeps it for a certain amount of time.

At the moment, people take a resource, move on to take the next and the next, then have to come back to retake things because the people you kicked out waited until you all left, which was predictable, before retaking it again.

Kram8ion · December 2016

Although I don't think taking away ap points is a solution it's a sign player boredom is setting in around pvp probably because of a number of things and a lack of tlc

Enslaved · December 2016

If you remove AP remove tel var stones and gold too. We can then buy stuff by selling dead enemy heads like it was intended in the first place.

mb10 · December 2016

DC on ps4 is a group of 20-25 templars and dks, all on 30k health MINIMUM (like thats the genuine minimum), all in heavy armour, all using the destro ulti at the same time, all AP farming.

Kram8ion · December 2016

Of course destro ultimate is opium for the ap farmers it's just easier to turn around now than it was before doors were on resource towers

Osteos · December 2016

Enslaved wrote: »

If you remove AP remove tel var stones and gold too. We can then buy stuff by selling dead enemy heads like it was intended in the first place.

Are all heads created equal though? Or is an Orc head worth vastly more then a puny Breton head?

ValkynSketha · December 2016

Lets just remove all kind of progression from the game, while we are at it.

Exile2112 · December 2016

A corporal and a veteran? At this point so many people could care less about playing objectives. Why don't you put in 2 years worth of pvp and see if you still think destroying walls is fun.

DHale · December 2016

Sad thread I expect to see you on a 1 v x video.... soon no eta.

Jaronking · December 2016

DHale wrote: »

Sad thread I expect to see you on a 1 v x video.... soon no eta.

If you want I can probably make it happen tomorrow evening @DHale .

If they remove AP then am gone from the game before the patch hits PTS.

Enslaved · December 2016

Osteos wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

If you remove AP remove tel var stones and gold too. We can then buy stuff by selling dead enemy heads like it was intended in the first place.

Are all heads created equal though? Or is an Orc head worth vastly more then a puny Breton head?

Breton heads are like copper was in WoW. Orsimer are more like silver or something.

Wollust · December 2016

Mhh salty zergling tears is what keeps me more entertained than the ap

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

HAh. Trying to bring logic, reason and change to the PVP crowd. Yeah lemme know how well that works out for you.

Knootewoot · December 2016

If AP goes away (which won't happen) then I want gold instead. Already if one only PvP'ed his income is low. At least with AP I can buy some stuff and sell. And I need loads of siege weapons which I don't intend to buy with me gold.

No, AP must stay. Yes, there are some AP farmers around but not all of the PvP-player base does this.

alephthiago · December 2016

What? No! Its the other way around, we need MORE stuff to spend ap on, im thinking maybe using ap for apothecary satchels?

Knootewoot · December 2016

alephthiago wrote: »

What? No! Its the other way around, we need MORE stuff to spend ap on, im thinking maybe using ap for apothecary satchels?

Indeed. Also maelstrom weapons sharpened for 5 million AP.

NoFlash · December 2016

Only a couple things needs to change to make pvp great again.

1. Make end of the campaign rewards worth it like 10 gold mats of each blacksmith, clothing, and woodworking. or anything besides a couple gold jewelry or 20 wall repairs.
2. Make it so that your account can only play with 1 faction on a single campaign until it resets.
3. Lastly, change the way emp is crowned to remove the inner circuit nascar map we currently have or have the famous rng change what keeps are required for emp every new campaign.

PVP needs more objective base goals instead of just getting a coordinated group and negating/bursting at the same time.

Drummerx04 · December 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'm serious guys I'm trying SO HARD to enjoy PvP, my Templar's a Corporal, Nightblade a Veteran I'm no errant PvE player by now, but it's not a War in Cyrodiil. It's just another big 'ol farm for organized groups and guilds to take advantage of. And what makes it worse is the cross faction scheming taking place during it. The Pact is advancing on a Dominion Alessia? Nope, there's a group of Destro Ult Blues blocking the passage, farming us. And even though it's in peak hours and a Pact Zerg is easily around, no one cares to deal with the Blues, and even other Pact and Dominion players walked over my dead ganked body to mingle with the farmers, deciding not to at least use a soul gem on me or even, oh I dunno, fight the supposed War going on?

At least if AP weren't around, it would be one less major reason for people to farm Cyrodiil and be forced to either leave or actually play the intended mechanic.

Or better yet, just remove AP gain from defeating enemy players. Make it so you only gain it from capturing Keeps and Resources, so at least that way people can keep getting their precious points while also being forced to play out the Campaign instead of camping Alessia Bridge or Bleakers. This is the only Multiplayer game where I've seen such rampant examples of players openly helping and cooperating with the enemy faction(s).

Lol. Isn't that like rank 14 or something? Come back when you've captured dozens of scrolls, hundreds of keeps, and thousands of resources. If you can tell me you aren't more interested in just fighting once you are alliance rank 30+, then I will be truly surprised.

Sure, the current campaign is pretty fun in PC NA trueflame because it's actually close score wise (within 300 points), but typically one faction pulls WAY ahead to the point where it is literally impossible to change the outcome. And if you want to affect the score, you can really only guarantee points by sniping resources 2 minutes before the score eval. Otherwise a giant and endless mob of enemy players WILL run you over before the score eval.

Also, faction guilds only ever cooperate during a dethrone or if one faction is being particularly zergy that day, but the faction pugs always ruin any cease fire agreement.

Enslaved · December 2016

EvoAZN wrote: »

Only a couple things needs to change to make pvp great again.

1. Make end of the campaign rewards worth it like 10 gold mats of each blacksmith, clothing, and woodworking. or anything besides a couple gold jewelry or 20 wall repairs.
2. Make it so that your account can only play with 1 faction on a single campaign until it resets.
3. Lastly, change the way emp is crowned to remove the inner circuit nascar map we currently have or have the famous rng change what keeps are required for emp every new campaign.

PVP needs more objective base goals instead of just getting a coordinated group and negating/bursting at the same time.

Last time we cried about this, they added few flags in bruma, cropsford and vlastarus.

And I agree. One campaign, only one faction. What some ppl are doing is complete bs.

rootimus · December 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Are you unaware of the "bridge farm?"

I have been and it shouldn't exist.

It's almost as if you can't do something insane, like go around it. It boggles my mind when I'm in an organised group and the squad leader elects to stand and fight on the bridge when we have enough time to get away and hit an actual objective.

Drummerx04 wrote: »

faction pugs (sic) always ruin any cease fire agreement.

There aren't enough up-votes on the intertubes for faction PUGs, then. A cease fire in a virtual war zone? Are you some kind of wussy High Elf? Kill everyone and let Sheogorath sort it out.

Riejael · December 2016

Exile2112 wrote: »

A corporal and a veteran? At this point so many people could care less about playing objectives. Why don't you put in 2 years worth of pvp and see if you still think destroying walls is fun.

I did 4 years in Planetside 2 with a PVP system that Cyrodil probably took from (3 factions, continent sized map, bases, ect). And never did I once sit around 'cert farming' (their version of AP). Always played the objective.

Funny thing about PS2 is they did put more emphasis on support and objective based play rather than kills. You get far more credit for heals and rezes than you do kills in some cases. The trick however was to get the most points was to capture connected territories, backcapping or destroying assets deep behind enemy lines didn't do anything.

roigseguib16_ESO · December 2016

If it wasn't for the AP people wouldn't be there at all. The mentality is not going to lean towards a change of motivation but a lack of incentives.

Mettaricana · December 2016

Simple make AP like telvar losable on death and watch the farmers and ganked suddenly guard their ap a whole lot more

roigseguib16_ESO · December 2016

Mettaricana wrote: »

Simple make AP like telvar losable on death and watch the farmers and ganked suddenly guard their ap a whole lot more

AP is not about the AP but the actual rank. I would gladly buy Wax Apothecary Bags with AP.