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Montclair Was The Rightful King of Rivenspire

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*****Spoilers Ahead for anyone that has not yet reached Rivenspire or completed the questline there*****





Thats right. The bad guy in the storyline for Rivenspire is actually fighting for what is, by all means, his birthright. What makes him the bad guy in all of this, would be how he goes about it. And its all High King Emerics fault.

If you know anything about the backstory to the Daggerfall Covenant then you know Ransers War was not a footnote but instead a catalyst for the rise of the Daggerfall Covenant. And without Ransers ego, its quite possible the Daggerfall Covenant wouldnt exist as a major player in the Three Banners War. Or at the very least, it wouldnt look the way it does today. Before Ranser decided Emeric had to go, the Daggerfall Covenant was just a trade alliance. It was Ranser that forced the Kingdoms of High Rock to become the Military Alliance it has become. But there is more to this story than just a hot headed king starting a foolish war. Ranser himself has his own backstory that paints a very different picture of Rivenspire and its current conflict in 2E 582. Especially anyone who doesnt understand the recent history of Rivenspire.

You see, Ranser wasnt supposed to be king as he was a child of marriageless conception between King Hurlburt and a young Tamrith girl, a cousin of the core Tamrith Family. It was Ransers brother, Phylgeon and legitimate son of King Hurlburt that was meant to inherit the throne. But King Hurlburt died while Phylgeon was still quite young. Ranser being much older, and having established quite the political ties with numerous Houses (with much to gain with a King other than a Montclair upon the throne) moved to throw his name in the lot to be declared king. Forcing the nobles of Rivenspire to meet at the Council of the North and decide the rightful heir. Now Phylgeons claim was unquestionable as the Codicil, an ancient text, declared the descendants of Howse Mont Clayre the royal family of Rivenspire. But when Phylgeons supporters went to retrieve the Codicil it was missing. And when the Council met Ranser and his supporters produced another ancient text. One claimed to have been a long lost Direnni decree declaring House Branquette their "Royal Breton Delegates". Without the Codicil, Ranser was declared King of Rivenspire by the Council and Phylgeon was lucky to keep his head.

But it doesnt end just there. Because as you should know Emeric courted Ransers daughter, Princess Rayelle, before marrying Queen Maraya in 2E 566 (Yes, the Daggerfall Covenant is the oldest of the Three Alliances). Ranser, the hot head that he was, set out to lay siege on Wayrest and extract some vengeance on Emeric. Now what many might not know is that Phylgeon was ever present in all of this attempting to bring Ranser and Emeric together to make peace. But Ranser refused to listen to reason and Phylgeon donned his armor and set out to fight on his brothers behalf regardless of how foolish his brother was acting. Now there is no mention of whether Phylgeon fell in battle during the war or if he survived. But we do know that Phylgeon had a son, Baron Wylon Montclair. Whom, after the war would become one of the Triumvirate along with House Tamrith and House Dorell. King Emeric was too fearful of placing Phylgeon or Wylon on the throne and so he created the Triumvirate. Of course it was not until Baron Wylon Montclair, taking after his uncle in many respects, befell an unfortunate accident that he decided to finally lay claim to his birthright. But it was always his birthright.

For as much as King Emeric likes to talk himself up in his autobiography, the guy is quite indecisive for a king. His fears were mostly unfounded and even when he had the perfect replacement, and rightful heir to the throne, right in front of him. He could not bring himself to return that birthright to Phylgeon/Wylon. Leaving Rivenspire stewing in the aftermath of the war with a leadership that would be in-able to restore the kingdom to its previous glory. Even if Wylon had never found himself cursed by Vampirism, the civil war was inevitable. If not now, the next generation would surely have had to dealt with the injustice of Ranser and Emeric.
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    Yeah, I remember this! This background story is one of the reasons Rivenspire is my favourite zone story-wise. I think Montclair would have been a good king if he hadn't gone evil.
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    Also potatoes in a sack can and should be used as a weapon.
  • Silver_Strider
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    Just kill everyone in the Daggerfall Covenant and avoid this from happening again in the future :)
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  • Knootewoot
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    All I remember was when battleing Baron Wylon Montclair is that I though: "damn, I wish I could join this guy and be his minion".

    Rivenspire (and in my opinion the entire DC) has the better story lines.
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    I know it's a favourite among players, but I really wish the questline would have focused on the political situation in Rivenspire instead of vampires. As seen above, it's got a great set-up, and it would've been a nice callback to Daggerfall. Emeric sends the player to Rivenspire to assist in the dethroning of Baron Montclair, who has started a civil war over his perceived birthright as king. Let the player learn the above facts over the course of the questline, but make it very clear that Emeric believed the Triumvirate to be the best option for uniting the houses. Verandis and his friends could still be hanging around as friendly neighbourhood vampires. Add in some unsavoury work for the local minor aristocracy and their cloak-and-dagger politics and you've got a really unique zone.

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    I am not very fond of the DC story line in general (although I still like it better than EP's), but Rivenspire stands out as the best zone in the base game, story-wise. This is a good example of why it takes the cake.
    Edited by Abeille on December 12, 2016 11:40AM
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    This feels like another attempt at twisting the public image to humanize the bad guy and demonize the good guy, even if it's well thought out. Even still, rule #1 of life is to question everything isn't it? Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

    Even if he had a birthright, his methods were intolerable and treasonous. Besides, Emeric is a compromiser, he insists on finding some kind of middle ground even if it would mean more problems. That's not the sign of a bad leader, it actually shows his subjects aren't worthy of their positions of power if they can't make do for the greater good of all. The Triumvirate is a great idea on paper, but people are just too stubborn, greedy, and power hungry to see the bigger picture. All or nothing is what destroys civilizations.

    It's ironic the only voice of reason in the entire questline was a Vampire.
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    nvm.
    Edited by JKorr on December 12, 2016 11:51AM
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    There is one plot hole, though.

    Ranser was the illegitimate son of King Hurlburt of Branquette and a "poor Tamrith cousin."
    Phylgeon was the legitimate son of King Hurlburt of Branquette and Countess Iphilia of Montclair.

    Yet Ranser was able to be become king by presenting evidence that house Branquette was the rightful royal family, and after the death of Ranser and princess Rayelle the house is considered dead.

    So... why isn't Phylgeon considered a member of house Branquette, when both his father and half-brother are?

    Edited by thawks on December 12, 2016 12:03PM
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    Its King Emeric's waffling that makes me so glad I follow the Warrior Queen Ayrenn. She may not always make the "best" decisions but we also don't need to wait a day, a week, a month, or a year to get them.
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    Nevermind. I really need a delete post feature.
    Edited by Rosveen on December 12, 2016 12:04PM
  • thawks
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    Rosveen wrote: »
    Perhaps he was considered, but Ranser had a better claim as the older brother?

    That could be the case, but Phylgeon is treated as if he isn't part of house Branquette at all.

    Why would Ranser present the Direnni decree that supports his heritage if his legitimate brother shares the same heritage?
    And how is house Branquette "dead" while a legitimate heir is still alive? Phylgeon survived the war.

    While the rules of inheritance and noble ranks might function differently in a largely gender neutral world (Phylgeon did become Baron of Montclair after his mother), it makes no sense that the crown prince would be excluded from the house of his father, the king.

    Wylon Montclair, who is the son of Phylgeon, realised this. Not only did he claim kingship through the Bretonnick Natalitie (which proclaimed House Montclair the rulers of the region), but also knew that he was the rightful heir of the Branquettes: "That also makes me the sole living heir to the domain of the Branquettes."

    I'm pretty sure there was a mistake somewhere during writing.
    Edited by thawks on December 12, 2016 12:21PM
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    thawks wrote: »
    Rosveen wrote: »
    Perhaps he was considered, but Ranser had a better claim as the older brother?

    That could be the case, but Phylgeon is treated as if he isn't part of house Branquette at all.

    Why would Ranser present the Direnni decree that supports his heritage if his legitimate brother shares the same heritage?
    And how is house Branquette "dead" while a legitimate heir is still alive? Phylgeon survived the war.

    While the rules of inheritance and noble ranks might function differently in a largely gender neutral world (Phylgeon did become Baron of Montclair after his mother), it makes no sense that the crown prince would be excluded from the house of his father, the king.

    Wylon Montclair, who is the son of Phylgeon, realised this. Not only did he claim kingship through the Bretonnick Natalitie (which proclaimed House Montclair the rulers of the region), but also knew that he was the rightful heir of the Branquettes: "That also makes me the sole living heir to the domain of the Branquettes."

    I'm pretty sure there was a mistake somewhere during writing.

    Possibly. I could imagine that the Direnni Decree should of read "Tamrith" and the Bretonnick Natalitie "Branquette".
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