Shield stacking sorcs eso's new tanks

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

dont nerf sorcs, just buff tanks by removing resistance hard caps

In a game that involves PVP, there is (almost) no way to buff one class without nerfing the others. Buffing tanks resistence basically lowers the mages damage versus said tank. When the tank and mage fight, the mage has an effective nerf.

So? Mages already have it on easy mode.

joleda4ub17_ESO · January 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

dont nerf sorcs, just buff tanks by removing resistance hard caps

In a game that involves PVP, there is (almost) no way to buff one class without nerfing the others. Buffing tanks resistence basically lowers the mages damage versus said tank. When the tank and mage fight, the mage has an effective nerf.

So? Mages already have it on easy mode.

I'm all for buffing tankiness. It won't fly. Damage dealer players outnumber tank players by a large margin.

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

dont nerf sorcs, just buff tanks by removing resistance hard caps

In a game that involves PVP, there is (almost) no way to buff one class without nerfing the others. Buffing tanks resistence basically lowers the mages damage versus said tank. When the tank and mage fight, the mage has an effective nerf.

So? Mages already have it on easy mode.

I'm all for buffing tankiness. It won't fly. Damage dealer players outnumber tank players by a large margin.

Yea easy mode in case some players haven't notice

DPS >>>> everything in the game be PvE and PvP.

Seriously see any tank beating VMSA with top time too ?

NoMoreChillies · January 2016

joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm all for buffing tankiness. It won't fly. Damage dealer players outnumber tank players by a large margin.

make tanks enjoyable and useful they will become popular

hrothbern · January 2016

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Rampagex wrote: »

Shields down , recast shields , rinse , repeat as needed , easy if have regen . Unless an overwhelming amount of non crit damage can burst through/lock down the caster

That's why you cc every time immunity ends. Their stam will take maybe 3 ccs and be able to break free if they don't doodge, sprint or block. When they can't break free, game over

If a sorc only uses his stamina for CC breaking, then with ~900 stam regen, he will regenerate all stamina he used on a break free before he need to break again. You will never run him out of stamina, even if you apply CC every 8 seconds.

Well that's how I kill sorcs and sorcs kill me.

Well then they or you do not have enough stam regen, or waste stamina on something else than CC breaking. Otherwise it's just math: CC break immunity lasts 8 seconds, you get 4 stam regen ticks in 8 seconds, 4x900=3600 which is about the cost of CC break.

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stam is also use for dodge rolling and blocking too.

A shieldstacking sorc has no need for dodge rolling or blocking. Blocking does not lessen the damage shields take. And while rolling may be useful every once in a while, it is not a major defense mechanic for a magicka build, so the odd dodge here and there can be easily covered by a potion(usually as a side effect of using tristat for getting back magicka).

What?._. CC immunity for 8 seconds? Wtb that...

Look at the white swirls under enemy feet. It lasts 8 seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfODZM4a-PQ

Magdalina wrote: »

A shielding sorc has to block if they want to avoid CC(it's cheaper than breaking free but it won't give you CC immunity for it's argueable which is better).

One block is cheaper. But CC break means you won't have to block for 8 seconds, and in those 8 seconds the blocks (to keep preventing being CC-ed) would cost you more than the break will.

CC immunity has never ever lasted 8 seconds for me ._. I think it's about 3. I so wish it did lol. Oh how OP I'd be then... xD.

All i can say - record your own gameplay, then watch the video afterwards. I know that the duration of immunity always seems like it's gone in a flash while i am playing, but when i think "no way that was 8 seconds" and re-watch it on video, i find out it really was. You just have a different perception of time while fighting.

(if you have an nvidia card, then Shadowplay will do the trick. It continually saves the last 5 mins of my gameplay, and i can save the clip with a button press)

Alright, tried that and asked some more people and we settled down on CC immunity being 6 seconds or so, so guess we were both wrong

In case you are not aware, there are two CC immunities: the one you get after breaking free, and the one you get after you let a CC expire on it's own. The former lasts 8 seconds, the latter lasts only 5 seconds.

I'm talking about first one, which is definitely less than 8 seconds in my experience(and on my video). I'm betting on 6.
Second one, in my experience, doesn't actually apply 3/4 times. I'm still not even sure it's really intended.

Why do you need betting when you have it on video? Just time it. Better yet, post the video.

As for the second one, it always applies, but sometimes too late. (Chief culprit being wrecking blow)

[edit] Just to make sure things haven't changed since i made my last video, i made a new one. You can see me CC breaking three times in a row, and each time the immunity lasts exactly 8 seconds:
https://youtu.be/79eXynuGcbg

Thanks @Sharee ,
To prove the 8 seconds with a convincing video !

This changes the math dramatically compared to my earlier post using 6 seconds, with the conclusions boiled down into:

If you use a tri-stat potion or another potion granting Stamina + 20% Stamina Recovery, you have as Sorc enough Stamina to Break Free infinitely, no CP's needed, as long as you do not dodgeroll as well
If yoo do NOT use such a potion, granting Stamina, even putting 100 CP in Mooncalf AND 100 CP in Tumbling will NOT enable to Break Free infinitely. And such a spent would be a waste of your precious CP points.

The math for conclusion 1:

As Vet 16 you have 514 base Stamina Recovery.
You get 20% increase from the passive Daedric Protection and 20% from your potion.
This 40% adds up to 203 additional Stamina Recovery for a total of 717 Stamina Recovery (per 2 seconds)
So you gain 358 Stamina per second from Stamina Recovery.
You also get from your potion every 45 seconds the 7582 Stamina.
So you get 7582 / 45 = 170 Stamina per second.
Now the total Stamina you get is 358 + 170 = 528 Stamina per second.

As Vet 16 the costs of Break Free are 4140 Stamina.
The immunity lasts 8 second.
So the costs of Break Free are 4140 / 8 = 518 Stamina per second

Conclusion: Your costs (518/s) are lower than your gain (528/s) and you can Break Free every 8 seconds without resource issues. No CP's needed.

If you are under full CC pressure and would also Dodgeroll frequently to break the line of sight, in order to survive the damage, you will have a Stamina resource issue.
So when reducing damage by breaking line of sight, dodgerolling can only be used sparingly.

SmalltalkJava · January 2016

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Rampagex wrote: »

Shields down , recast shields , rinse , repeat as needed , easy if have regen . Unless an overwhelming amount of non crit damage can burst through/lock down the caster

That's why you cc every time immunity ends. Their stam will take maybe 3 ccs and be able to break free if they don't doodge, sprint or block. When they can't break free, game over

If a sorc only uses his stamina for CC breaking, then with ~900 stam regen, he will regenerate all stamina he used on a break free before he need to break again. You will never run him out of stamina, even if you apply CC every 8 seconds.

Well that's how I kill sorcs and sorcs kill me.

Well then they or you do not have enough stam regen, or waste stamina on something else than CC breaking. Otherwise it's just math: CC break immunity lasts 8 seconds, you get 4 stam regen ticks in 8 seconds, 4x900=3600 which is about the cost of CC break.

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stam is also use for dodge rolling and blocking too.

A shieldstacking sorc has no need for dodge rolling or blocking. Blocking does not lessen the damage shields take. And while rolling may be useful every once in a while, it is not a major defense mechanic for a magicka build, so the odd dodge here and there can be easily covered by a potion(usually as a side effect of using tristat for getting back magicka).

What?._. CC immunity for 8 seconds? Wtb that...

Look at the white swirls under enemy feet. It lasts 8 seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfODZM4a-PQ

Magdalina wrote: »

A shielding sorc has to block if they want to avoid CC(it's cheaper than breaking free but it won't give you CC immunity for it's argueable which is better).

One block is cheaper. But CC break means you won't have to block for 8 seconds, and in those 8 seconds the blocks (to keep preventing being CC-ed) would cost you more than the break will.

CC immunity has never ever lasted 8 seconds for me ._. I think it's about 3. I so wish it did lol. Oh how OP I'd be then... xD.

All i can say - record your own gameplay, then watch the video afterwards. I know that the duration of immunity always seems like it's gone in a flash while i am playing, but when i think "no way that was 8 seconds" and re-watch it on video, i find out it really was. You just have a different perception of time while fighting.

(if you have an nvidia card, then Shadowplay will do the trick. It continually saves the last 5 mins of my gameplay, and i can save the clip with a button press)

Alright, tried that and asked some more people and we settled down on CC immunity being 6 seconds or so, so guess we were both wrong

In case you are not aware, there are two CC immunities: the one you get after breaking free, and the one you get after you let a CC expire on it's own. The former lasts 8 seconds, the latter lasts only 5 seconds.

I'm talking about first one, which is definitely less than 8 seconds in my experience(and on my video). I'm betting on 6.
Second one, in my experience, doesn't actually apply 3/4 times. I'm still not even sure it's really intended.

Why do you need betting when you have it on video? Just time it. Better yet, post the video.

As for the second one, it always applies, but sometimes too late. (Chief culprit being wrecking blow)

[edit] Just to make sure things haven't changed since i made my last video, i made a new one. You can see me CC breaking three times in a row, and each time the immunity lasts exactly 8 seconds:
https://youtu.be/79eXynuGcbg

Thanks @Sharee ,
To prove the 8 seconds with a convincing video !

This changes the math dramatically compared to my earlier post using 6 seconds, with the conclusions boiled down into:
If you use a tri-stat potion or another potion granting Stamina + 20% Stamina Recovery, you have as Sorc enough Stamina to Break Free infinitely, no CP's needed, as long as you do not dodgeroll as well

If yoo do NOT use such a potion, granting Stamina, even putting 100 CP in Mooncalf AND 100 CP in Tumbling will NOT enable to Break Free infinitely. And such a spent would be a waste of your precious CP points.

The math for conclusion 1:

As Vet 16 you have 514 base Stamina Recovery.
You get 20% increase from the passive Daedric Protection and 20% from your potion.
This 40% adds up to 203 additional Stamina Recovery for a total of 717 Stamina Recovery (per 2 seconds)
So you gain 358 Stamina per second from Stamina Recovery.
You also get from your potion every 45 seconds the 7582 Stamina.
So you get 7582 / 45 = 170 Stamina per second.
Now the total Stamina you get is 358 + 170 = 528 Stamina per second.

As Vet 16 the costs of Break Free are 4140 Stamina.
The immunity lasts 8 second.
So the costs of Break Free are 4140 / 8 = 518 Stamina per second

Conclusion: Your costs (518/s) are lower than your gain (528/s) and you can Break Free every 8 seconds without resource issues. No CP's needed.

If you are under full CC pressure and would also Dodgeroll frequently to break the line of sight, in order to survive the damage, you will have a Stamina resource issue.
So when reducing damage by breaking line of sight, dodgerolling can only be used sparingly.

Wow, learn something new everyday.

Therium104 · January 2016

Rampagex wrote: »

Unfortunately i witnessed tonight another example of class imbalance . A shield stacking sorc numerous times was fighting groups of at least 10 - 15 , sometimes more , and it took time and a sizeable group to take him down . If that was not proof enough that shield stacking is broken i dont know what is , the funny thing is , a light armour wearing caster stacking shields is now ESO'S new tank class , nice work zos . So much for Heavy armour ...... Class imbalance and lag is ruining pvp

I agree. Good post and another example class imbalance. This garbage needs to be fixed.

TheBull · January 2016

New?

Lucky28 · January 2016

Therium104 wrote: »

Rampagex wrote: »

Unfortunately i witnessed tonight another example of class imbalance . A shield stacking sorc numerous times was fighting groups of at least 10 - 15 , sometimes more , and it took time and a sizeable group to take him down . If that was not proof enough that shield stacking is broken i dont know what is , the funny thing is , a light armour wearing caster stacking shields is now ESO'S new tank class , nice work zos . So much for Heavy armour ...... Class imbalance and lag is ruining pvp

I agree. Good post and another example class imbalance. This garbage needs to be fixed.

it's not really class imbalance. it's people playing the environment. any class can do it with los.

AltusVenifus · January 2016

The problem with shields are they complete mitage damage + cost less then the attacks to destroy them and can be placed on the attack bar... This equates to a rotation of
1. Shield
2. Attack
3. Attack
4. Shield
5. Repeat

It's not a L2p issue... Its a resource issue... Although every class can kinda do it with a resto staff... But that sucks as an attack bar

Aspi90 · January 2016

All I want are dotable and critable shields!

Rampagex · February 2016

Thankyou to all for your thoughts , not everything is a learn to play issue or people being crap as some comments would suggest .

raasdal · February 2016

Rampagex wrote: »

Quoting part of a msg sent to me

What these 'skilled' sorcs do is use a third party macro program that monitors a pixel on the screen and when its state changes (color) then does a key stroke. This allows them to use custom ui's that display a shields status, and as soon as it is low or gone cast it again - without them doing anything! This has been around Ultima Online days, and sadly ZOS is not good enough to know how to combat it.

It's real obvious who does this, because like the one you found they can focus their time on movement and casting offense, knowing they dont have to worry about dying. Sorcs that don't violate the TOS like this will die at some point, because it human nature to flub and miss something in that heated moment. No one is that skilled to take on 10 - 20 solo for long times. And yes, they will say they are 'skilled'.

I would certainly hope this was not happening in ESO , ive never heard of it before but makes me think . Is this possible ?

This is possible in theory, but not in practice. Two reasons;

1. For this to work, you would need to be on the skill bar, which has the shield on it. Otherwise the macro will activate another ability. This could be fixed by double-slotting. But that would kind of negate this.

2. It would NEVER work reliably, due to DAM DA DAM, the Global Cooldown. Lets say you cast a frag, just before this Macro is going off. Then the macro will NOT go off. Well, it will go off, but it will not be registered in the game, because you are on skill cooldown.

Next, to all those who complain about Shields not being crittable, i will just remind you that Shields do not have Resistance either. I have not seen anyone do the math on that yet? Yes, it negates Critbuilds. But on sustained DPS, has anyone ever done the math ?

Autolycus · February 2016

Rampagex wrote: »

Unfortunately i witnessed tonight another example of class imbalance . A shield stacking sorc numerous times was fighting groups of at least 10 - 15 , sometimes more , and it took time and a sizeable group to take him down . If that was not proof enough that shield stacking is broken i dont know what is , the funny thing is , a light armour wearing caster stacking shields is now ESO'S new tank class , nice work zos . So much for Heavy armour ...... Class imbalance and lag is ruining pvp

This isn't news... people from every class have been doing things like this since launch. Light armor tanks are all but the norm for vet dungeons (and have been for a long time already), and many people switched to a damage build long ago in PvP. It's not just sorcs. I find it kind of amusing at how proud everyone is of shield stackers now, like it's a new concept or something.

It's great, it really is. I'm not knocking on the ability to do so. After all it is fun and viable. But it's not a miracle...

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

Edziu wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Two words: shield breaker.

yes yes...shield breaker...its good only for sorcs if you have other good sets....its so stupid...group play etc, nonstop in combat, so try in combat to wear shield breaker especjally on this annyoing sorc, kill him ant try wear again you other set to normal pvp agains all other classes -.-

this is stupid for me to use noob shield breaker ONLY ON SHITSTACKING SORC when you have better set to fight with rest (3 not only 1) classes

so just see also on this shieldbreaker...ZOS know about shield stacking OP above all other and just added this set to no nerfing shield staking, because for what they need to nerf some shieldstacking when you can equip this set ONLY on F***** SHIELDSTACKER

I have some dueled with sorcs as NB, with some i have wins...because they are just noobs or not experienced yet.....when I dueled with exp sorc....ehhh, maybe 10% to win when he was feared and or dont has stamina to break free, or got lag with it or idk

ahh and for last...dk with heavy magica/stam build is so easier to kill him in duel than this shieldstacker....just spam shields and wait for crystal frag proc, offensive while defensive, 2 in 1, I dont saw these 2in 1 in other classes, dk need cast def abilites and then offensive, templar similarly, nb just buffing etc in hide and then can attaking again
when sorc just put on you curse, maybe mines for melee opponent and just waiting for crysta frag proc and in 75% just spam shields

why a hell SORC IN RAGS is harder to kill than DK IN HEAVY ARMOR with skill to survive long fights + also good damage, when this sorc havemore than good dmg....burst like stam nb + this high survivability in 1....

I didn't bother reading your entire wall of rage. Let me break this down for you. For sorcs to get this shield stacking we need to give up slots for each one. They do cost magicka and if we want them to be good we sacrifice health and stamina. I know plenty of DK's that can take a beating, I also know plenty of Templars that can take a beating. I know plenty of NB's that can come out of stealth and kill someone before they even know what hit them. Each class has strengths and you need to play to those strengths. You don't have to use shield breaker against a sorc just like you don't have to use detect pots against a NB, but it sure helps.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Lets do some mats here:

Sorc shields stacked in pve with 44k max magicka and 100CP into Bastion are 44k, of which 24k absorbs physical dmg.

This is in pve so the values in pvp are only 50%, around 22k spell shield and 12k phyiscal dmg shield. Most sorcs in pvp dont run inner + bound so their actual shield will usually be around 18k with 10k physical shield.

Assuming this sorc has a huge 22k shield which prevents 10-15 guys to burst through it.
The time it takes roughly 1 second to cast a shield.

Most magicka sorcs have around 21k health in Cyrodiil.
Lets say there are 8 guys dealing dmg, putting out a low 3k dps each, the total dps will be 24k.

The incoming dmg per second would already be higher than the total shield value of the sorc. Assuming the sorc cannot recast 2-3 shields in 1 second I would say the sorc should last around 5 seconds, even less if you add root, snare or hard-CC to the equation.

Sorcs are really strong in even numbered fights but in 1v10+ you can only blame the 10 guys for not dealing enough dmg.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Let's also add that we tend to run with a low stamina pool; forcing us to break free and roll dodge really kills that quick. We are only gods to newbs who don't know how to beat us.

Autolycus · February 2016

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I didn't bother reading your entire wall of rage. Let me break this down for you. For sorcs to get this shield stacking we need to give up slots for each one. They do cost magicka and if we want them to be good we sacrifice health and stamina. I know plenty of DK's that can take a beating, I also know plenty of Templars that can take a beating. I know plenty of NB's that can come out of stealth and kill someone before they even know what hit them. Each class has strengths and you need to play to those strengths. You don't have to use shield breaker against a sorc just like you don't have to use detect pots against a NB, but it sure helps.

Agreed. All classes have this potential. People have been doing stuff like this for a long time. Comments on this sort of thing tend to be skewed to the perspective that anyone can simply put on a dress and run into the middle of a zerg with a ward and be fine.

It's really not that simple. It requires the right stats, proper skill rotation, and first and foremost: practice.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

dont nerf sorcs, just buff tanks by removing resistance hard caps

bad idea, did you play everquest. casters couldn't dent tanks. resisted everything then they would just smack the dress wearers with a stick, dead.

as opposed to what we have now?

you know the dress wearer still has mobility and some phys resistance vs the stick
tanks cannot move, only hold their ground. Yet when a mobile dmg dealing class has better survivability and melts through the tanks defenses maybe tanks need some love?

Smart dress wearers will have to target priority.

Just get a better build. You're asking them to nerf a class just because you don't want to change the way you play?

CamBam370 · February 2016

DK was here

Rampagex · February 2016

Hmm anyone else feel that Heavy is still crap in the pts ?

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

I remember when Paul Sage was asked during an ESO live segment what be plans on doing in order to buff sorcs. His statement was that some people are just going to continue to complain regardless of how strong their class is. Paul Saga was a smart man.

Essiaga · February 2016

Rampagex wrote: »

Unfortunately i witnessed tonight another example of class imbalance . A shield stacking sorc numerous times was fighting groups of at least 10 - 15 , sometimes more , and it took time and a sizeable group to take him down . If that was not proof enough that shield stacking is broken i dont know what is , the funny thing is , a light armour wearing caster stacking shields is now ESO'S new tank class , nice work zos . So much for Heavy armour ...... Class imbalance and lag is ruining pvp

no worries. They'll nerf BOL again really soon.

Birdovic · February 2016

The real question is:

Did he fight back those 15 players?
He more of was streaking around trying to flee, and shield spamming because he struggled to stay alive^^

duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO · February 2016

Magdalina wrote: »

Alright, tried that and asked some more people and we settled down on CC immunity being 6 seconds or so, so guess we were both wrong
However, my personal Stam regen is ~600, I'm willing to bet it's the same for most "shield stacking" sorcs. Let's give it the benefit of doubt and CP and make it 700. That means 3*700 ticks in 6 seconds=2100. A CC break costs a little over 4k iirc so roughly double the amount I regen. My stam is a little over 14k with purple food. So I can break free something about 6 times in a row assuming CC immunity works properly every time(which it doesn't) and I NEVER block nor dodge or anything(which I do). In reality it's usually more like 3-4 CC for me personally. It's very possible to OOS a magicka sorc.
Granted there's plenty of sorc out there better than me but they all(well, almost all I suppose) run roughly similar setups and have roughly same amount of stam and stam regen.

So maybe we can already move on from "nerf sorc" to "what are viable counters against a magicka sorc?"

Sure, as a stamblade, when being hit by a 10k crystal frag, 12k proxy detonation and 8k velocious curse, all going off at once this one can break free about one time out of the stunned by bolt escape.

So you are (at least) 4 times better off even for CC. Even more when considering the ability to disengage at will (sacrificing on the offensive, but yes, BE is still a win, most of the time, unless you get chased by several others for a _very_ long time) and that many are not running a tanky PVP build (otherwise it's zero break free, because you are dead before it works)

Sorry, best DPS, highest mobility, excellent tanking and good heal ... all at the same time.

This isn't balanced no matter how you look at it, no matter which class, type of build or set-up.

PCheuk38b14_ESO · February 2016

He uses the terrain and LOS to break the damage from being consistent but everyone that fights him especially the groups don't realize that and stagger their stuns/bursts. At that point your never going to kill him unless someone CC's him and coordinates a burst at the same time.

I fought him before not solo and just switched targets when he was doing that.

Solus · December 2016

They need a nerf IMO. Should not be stackable. period. Or stuns/fear should remove shields.

No one person should be able to use an ability over and over and render them invincible to damage. If the introduce something like that, then every class should have it, that way it does come down to skill

FriedEggSandwich · December 2016

Solus wrote: »

They need a nerf IMO. Should not be stackable. period. Or stuns/fear should remove shields.

They did get a nerf when this thread was relevant. Just how did you find this thread anyway?

Solus · December 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

They need a nerf IMO. Should not be stackable. period. Or stuns/fear should remove shields.

They did get a nerf when this thread was relevant. Just how did you find this thread anyway?

Googling it because i was irritated that a low level person could completely render my build/class useless. And can take damage from 5 or more people without dying and still killing us off.

Broken

AzuraKin · December 2016

Rampagex wrote: »

Unfortunately i witnessed tonight another example of class imbalance . A shield stacking sorc numerous times was fighting groups of at least 10 - 15 , sometimes more , and it took time and a sizeable group to take him down . If that was not proof enough that shield stacking is broken i dont know what is , the funny thing is , a light armour wearing caster stacking shields is now ESO'S new tank class , nice work zos . So much for Heavy armour ...... Class imbalance and lag is ruining pvp

well for one thing he couldnt have been just shield stacking. while you cannot crit against shields, resist means nothing either. i know from personal experience you need 1. a lot of regen to even have a short time of shield spam time. 2. 1 dps can easily match a 50k max magicka hardened ward + harness magicka (or whatever morphs you using) spamming sorc's shields with damage.

FriedEggSandwich · December 2016

Solus wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

They need a nerf IMO. Should not be stackable. period. Or stuns/fear should remove shields.

They did get a nerf when this thread was relevant. Just how did you find this thread anyway?

Googling it because i was irritated that a low level person could completely render my build/class useless. And can take damage from 5 or more people without dying and still killing us off.

Broken

Fwiw the nerf that happened shortly after this thread was that all shields (except barrier) had their duration reduced to 6s. Previously the shields that sorcs used lasted for 20s. So these days sorcs need to refresh their shields every 6s therefore reducing the amount of pressure they can apply during a fight. Shields are the only reliable mitigation for sorcs; generally speaking they can't cloak, reflect, major evasion, burst heal on demand, or block or dodge more than once or twice. Knowing that their shields only last for 6s you should be noting when they cast them and timing your cc so that they can't reapply shields before they expire, this will give you a window to damage their health pool. There is also a cp tree dedicated to doing more damage to damage shields. If something counters your build it doesn't necessarily mean it needs a nerf; magicka dks counter sorcs well bit I wouldn't ask for a mdk nerf if I lost a fight to one.