What I think this game needs to keep people playing

IronCrystal · December 2016

So, I've been talking with my guild mates and some of us have hit an impass in this game in regards to PvE.

I feel like the gear in this game is too easy to obtain (excluding vMA and vmaster).

I know this is arguable, but this thread is NOT regarding the RNG in this game. The RNG is a simple mechanic implemented to keep us running the same EASY content.

Think about it. You want to get the best gear? Other than monster masks and a slightly better piece of jewelry, there is no point to running vet versions of dungeons or trials.

VO is best in slot for certain stamina sets? Just run normal trials where its as easy as a normal dungeon. Oh you want a 0.5% increase? Run slightly harder content to get legendary versions of jewelry.

This is also the biggest reason I'm against crafting/upgrading jewelry.

What I think this game needs is more gear based on player skill. That's why I love the maelstrom arena and the dragonstar arena. It is content that is actually difficult, and requires skill to get the gear.

People shouldn't be able to get Best in Slot gear by running easy content and relying on RNG. They should get Best in Slot gear by being the best, not rolling the dice for it. Too many people feel entitled to having the best possible gear. I do not agree with this sentiment

I have made 7 different characters and can easily get Best in Slot gear on all of them simply by running easy content over and over again. It is not a challenge anymore.

We need the best gear to be locked behind difficult content that is not obtainable in easy versions of the content.

deevoh1991 · December 2016

Not everyone wants to go through hell sorry. If you like a challenege then there can perhaps be a easy/normal/hard mode and you can choose what you want. If Vet mode is too easy for you, then to group everyone into your playstyle expectations is unreasonable.
Casual players are already being forced to change their sets and play a certain way that is deemed acceptable in PVE or PVP, The drop rates at the end of the day are the only reason people even play or go through vet dungeons most times if they are not CP 500+

Iluvrien · December 2016

No, we don't. It was specified in interviews carried out by senior devs that crafting would always have a place in the provision of the best gear.

They have already bent those statements as far as they can without breaking them. You want them to go even further?

No thanks.

Betheny · December 2016

This would make less people play, so probably not a good idea.

IronCrystal · December 2016

I don't understand your guys' reasoning.

You think people who are new to the game (160 is very new) should be able to get the same best in slot gear as the people who have mastered all the content in the game?

All this game is now is repeated grinding of easy content.

Sure I could go for leaderboard runs but why? Unless you are top 10 no one gives a *** about you. Also the "leaderboard rewards" give nothing but decon material. There is nothing to improve my character by doing harder content.

So far, we only have vma and vdsa. I think we need more content like those that give top tier items.

There isn't even gold income involved in doing hard content other than vet trials which give an awful return on investment when you consider the time and cost of running one.

If you can't beat hard content, why should you get the best gear?

Not everyone needs to go through hell. People just need to realize there needs to be different tiers of gear in this game. People nowadays don't grind for one set and say "this is the set that is good enough to get me to the next set." All they do is grind for the best possible gear. And what happens when they get that gear? What next for them?

If the issue is pvp players, then make the gear only work in dungeons/trials like VO and IA are currently.

Iluvrien · December 2016

IronCrystal wrote: »

If the issue is pvp players, then make the gear only work in dungeons/trials like VO and IA are currently.

No, the issue is what we were led to believe about the crafting system by the devs from even before launch.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

If you start locking gear behind content like Maelstrom which I need to tear my hair out to get, then you guarentee I will leave this game.

Quit trying to appeal to the hardcore in order to save a game. it never works and you wont ever please anyone.

You *** because people have nice things and dont think people should have nice things. And quite frankly I hope you -never- have a voice in game balance because of it.

IronCrystal · December 2016

Iluvrien wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

If the issue is pvp players, then make the gear only work in dungeons/trials like VO and IA are currently.

No, the issue is what we were led to believe about the crafting system by the devs from even before launch.

TBS and NMG are and can still be very powerful. But I'm talking about how easy it is to get best in slot gear such as Burning Spell Weave, VO, IA, Spinners (sometimes bis), alkosh, leviathan, mothers sorrow (bis in most trials setups), and many others.

Crafting sets have their place, but never occupy both 5pc sets.

IronCrystal · December 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

If you start locking gear behind content like Maelstrom which I need to tear my hair out to get, then you guarentee I will leave this game.

Quit trying to appeal to the hardcore in order to save a game. it never works and you wont ever please anyone.

You *** because people have nice things and dont think people should have nice things. And quite frankly I hope you -never- have a voice in game balance because of it.

I have maxed 7 characters easily with BIS gear. Done all the vet trials and arenas. I am not missing out on gear at all.

I felt like it was too easy for me to max out characters, and there's little reason for me to keep playing because I can't get any better items.

Sure I can set personal goals, but if there is nothing that furthers my progression in the game, what is left to do?

Beating vMA was one of my favorite accomplishments in this game. It took me 3 weeks to figure out how to beat it and gave me some thing to work towards. There needs to be more things like this. There's a reason there are fewer and fewer guilds in NA trying to get top leaderboard runs because there's no point. End game people are leaving.

deevoh1991 · December 2016

IronCrystal wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

If you start locking gear behind content like Maelstrom which I need to tear my hair out to get, then you guarentee I will leave this game.

Quit trying to appeal to the hardcore in order to save a game. it never works and you wont ever please anyone.

You *** because people have nice things and dont think people should have nice things. And quite frankly I hope you -never- have a voice in game balance because of it.

I have maxed 7 characters easily with BIS gear. Done all the vet trials and arenas. I am not missing out on gear at all.

I felt like it was too easy for me to max out characters, and there's little reason for me to keep playing because I can't get any better items.

Sure I can set personal goals, but if there is nothing that furthers my progression in the game, what is left to do?

Beating vMA was one of my favorite accomplishments in this game. It took me 3 weeks to figure out how to beat it and gave me some thing to work towards. There needs to be more things like this. There's a reason there are fewer and fewer guilds in NA trying to get top leaderboard runs because there's no point. End game people are leaving.

Good for you, if it's too easy for you than you've mastered everything so stop expecting things to get harder for other people.Instead you can ask for new sets and hard quests to be made instead of stopping everyone else from getting what they are playing for at their comfort levels.

I_killed_Vivec · December 2016

There are so many contradictions in this post I'm inclined to think that it's really just a "Look at me, I'm so great, it's all so easy." post.

Plenty of people are running, and running, and running vMA to get BiS gear - and the OP says they love maelstrom and dragonstar, and that those two areas provide adequate difficulty. So what's the problem?

There's more than a hint of "I've got my gear, pull up the drawbridge so it's harder for others". One thing that ZoS is very keen on is reducing player separation, not increasing it. Oh, so you're not so special anymore... but other people get to enjoy the game too!

And maybe I'm from a different generation, but I find that the accomplishment is enough for me, I don't need a new shiny bauble to feel that I have achieved something.

The real problem is a lack of new content - you have to repeat vMA until the RNG gods favour you... maybe introduce new, equally difficult content that provides the same rewards.

The other problem with the OP is that it completely ignores how other people might want to play... "I do vMA,, I want the best" totally ignores whose who want to craft, or PvP, or role-play, or just adventure, roaming the whole of Tamriel rather than restricting themselves to repeating one dungeon time and time and time again...

IronCrystal · December 2016

Deevo191 wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

If you start locking gear behind content like Maelstrom which I need to tear my hair out to get, then you guarentee I will leave this game.

Quit trying to appeal to the hardcore in order to save a game. it never works and you wont ever please anyone.

You *** because people have nice things and dont think people should have nice things. And quite frankly I hope you -never- have a voice in game balance because of it.

I have maxed 7 characters easily with BIS gear. Done all the vet trials and arenas. I am not missing out on gear at all.

I felt like it was too easy for me to max out characters, and there's little reason for me to keep playing because I can't get any better items.

Sure I can set personal goals, but if there is nothing that furthers my progression in the game, what is left to do?

Beating vMA was one of my favorite accomplishments in this game. It took me 3 weeks to figure out how to beat it and gave me some thing to work towards. There needs to be more things like this. There's a reason there are fewer and fewer guilds in NA trying to get top leaderboard runs because there's no point. End game people are leaving.

Good for you, if it's too easy for you than you've mastered everything so stop expecting things to get harder for other people.Instead you can ask for new sets and hard quests to be made instead of stopping everyone else from getting what they are playing for at their comfort levels.

I never said make current content harder. I said add more content that is hard that has meaningful reasons to complete. Maybe the answer isn't new gear. But there is little reason now to push ourselves to do better on the current content.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

IronCrystal wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

If you start locking gear behind content like Maelstrom which I need to tear my hair out to get, then you guarentee I will leave this game.

Quit trying to appeal to the hardcore in order to save a game. it never works and you wont ever please anyone.

You *** because people have nice things and dont think people should have nice things. And quite frankly I hope you -never- have a voice in game balance because of it.

I have maxed 7 characters easily with BIS gear. Done all the vet trials and arenas. I am not missing out on gear at all.

I felt like it was too easy for me to max out characters, and there's little reason for me to keep playing because I can't get any better items.

Sure I can set personal goals, but if there is nothing that furthers my progression in the game, what is left to do?

Beating vMA was one of my favorite accomplishments in this game. It took me 3 weeks to figure out how to beat it and gave me some thing to work towards. There needs to be more things like this. There's a reason there are fewer and fewer guilds in NA trying to get top leaderboard runs because there's no point. End game people are leaving.

So the game needs to be harder, because you have done everything? No. Sorry. Na'ah.

You wanna argue this game needs more endgame content? We can agree on that, it needs more raids, more dungeons that arrent hardcore Crap-shows like Shadows of the Hist, and we need a regular dev cycle to help with it, but saying the game needs to be harder because you got to the top too fast is attempting to repurpose the game to fit -you-.

No. You are selfish, and I hope you -never- have a voice in the balance department. You are the same brand of elitist, hardcore player that flocked to this game, called how easy it was, and basicly screwed balance and design in the ear in the One Tamriel patch, as the designers bended backwards to please you vocal minorities at the cost of litterally -everything else-.

People are allready leaving because of the drastic incline in the difficulty-cliff that is solo-to-group-content and we dont need you forcing them off as well. Enough.

IronCrystal · December 2016

Ok, people don't think we should have gear locked. Alright, that's fine.

I still think this game needs more meaningful content hurdles to overcome rather than people telling me to set personal goals. The current leaderboard setup provides little incentive to get high scores as the weekly items we get are all trash, and they are the same items we get by doing the very same content we got a high score on. Only difference is when they decon they have a chance at giving a temper.

deevoh1991 · December 2016

IronCrystal wrote: »

Ok, people don't think we should have gear locked. Alright, that's fine.

I still think this game needs more meaningful content hurdles to overcome rather than people telling me to set personal goals. The current leaderboard setup provides little incentive to get high scores as the weekly items we get are all trash, and they are the same items we get by doing the very same content we got a high score on. Only difference is when they decon they have a chance at giving a temper.

Then kindly take it up with the Dev team to add more incentives for the leaderboards and leave it at that instead of trying to change everyone's experience or their availability to content.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

IronCrystal wrote: »

Ok, people don't think we should have gear locked. Alright, that's fine.

I still think this game needs more meaningful content hurdles to overcome rather than people telling me to set personal goals. The current leaderboard setup provides little incentive to get high scores as the weekly items we get are all trash, and they are the same items we get by doing the very same content we got a high score on. Only difference is when they decon they have a chance at giving a temper.

This game needs more content. I will be the first to toot that horn over, and over, and over.

Here's the issue. The current dev team keeps trying to force difficult content places where it's not needed or wanted. You may love Maelstrom. Most people dont. it's teeth-grinding challenge for something -needed- to optimize stam DPS. And the challenge is way out of whack.

Now, you wanna argue for more hard raids? Brother I can get behind that. I am all for the crowd who loves difficulty geting what they want and that's typically raids. Between the Hist dungeons, Maelstrom, and Maw, Maw is by far the most beloved, and that's because hardcore players flock to raids. So that's what I'd argue for, more -really- hard raids, more casual dungeons that are not a ballbusting experience on vet.

What do to about the arena's, however. It's a valid question, people on both ends of the spectrum hate Maelstrom. The people who dont run Vet wont ever and the people who do hate it's loot system and it's design in places. So in order to shorten that gap and still make hard content, many people have suggested a token system. Where you put in the work and vet gives more tokens. I think it'd be a nice solution to the problems.

And if your fine with that? Brother we can live in harmony cuz that's all I want, more dungeons that dont make me wanna hurt people.

Oliviander · December 2016

IronCrystal wrote: »

So, I've been talking with my guild mates and some of us have hit an impass in this game in regards to PvE.

We need the best gear to be locked behind difficult content that is not obtainable in easy versions of the content.

I am all with you but in addition to that I think every single item in the game should be tradeable !!!
So you can decide wether to keep the item or get rich, and there should be a ranklist of wealth (gold in bank)
of all players.

That would be the greatest motivation I could think of