My weapon and spell damage is < 500, I kill people

Paneross · December 2016

This is how:

Tremorscale rotation.

Heavy attack, puncture, Bash.

This is just my PvE tank build. 0 Crit Resistance and I kill people all day with this 2peice set.

andreasranasen · December 2016

wait... what?...

What are you asking? What's the purpose of this thread? What do you want from me?

quadraxis666 · December 2016

I think he's trying to make the point that this whole proc nonsense online cheese is so ridiculous that you can have a meager 500 weapon damage and still kill everything

andreasranasen · December 2016

quadraxis666 wrote: »

I think he's trying to make the point that this whole proc nonsense online cheese is so ridiculous that you can have a meager 500 weapon damage and still kill everything

If he only wrote it like that lol

alexkdd99 · December 2016

That is one proc set that makes absolutely no sense as to why it works.

OrphanHelgen · December 2016

Make proc set scale of wpn and spell dmg

Paneross · December 2016

andreasranasen wrote: »

wait... what?...

What are you asking? What's the purpose of this thread? What do you want from me?

I fixes it.

LegacyDM · December 2016

Paneross wrote: »

How?

Tremorscale rotation.

Heavy attack, puncture, Bash.

This is just my PvE tank build. 0 Crit Resistance and I kill people all day with this 2peice set.

Here's the problem. With animation canceling you can combine ha, "insert skill here" and bash to execute a combo in 1 sec and do large damage. A combo which should take seconds to execute is being exploited to execute in 1 second. Ever wonder how that nb killed you in 1 sec but was able to string multiple attacks together?

If community doesnt believe me just test it yourself or I'll post a video later. I tested this last night and the result was eye opening. By using bash I was able to cast conceled weapon with NO animation. My la immediately went into bash skipping conceled weapon yet conceled weapon showed up in my combat log.

Then of course you add the proc set yo the mix it just pwns.

Derra · December 2016

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Make proc set scale of wpn and spell dmg

I´m debating arguing why this would be a bad idea (hint: certain stam builds already can go absolutely full dmg while wearing procc sets).

Either you have them dealing more dmg on those or becoming absolutely useless for anyone not built full dmg.

SnubbS · December 2016

This is the biggest lie I've ever read. You're trying to say that your only damaging abilities are Puncture, Bash & Tremorscale (throw in some LA's) -- and that you're killing people "All day".

quadraxis666 wrote: »

I think he's trying to make the point that this whole proc nonsense online cheese is so ridiculous that you can have a meager 500 weapon damage and still kill everything

Which is the biggest lie I've ever heard.

You can't even get 500 weapon damage -- it literally doesn't go that low. The only way would be if you were to be on a max char and equip a level 20-30 weapon, then at that point OP is lying again because it's supposedly his "PVE Tank Setup" so it's asinine to assume that he's running a non-cp160 weapon.

Paneross · December 2016

SnubbS wrote: »

This is the biggest lie I've ever read. You're trying to say that your only damaging abilities are Puncture, Bash & Tremorscale (throw in some LA's) -- and that you're killing people "All day".

quadraxis666 wrote: »

I think he's trying to make the point that this whole proc nonsense online cheese is so ridiculous that you can have a meager 500 weapon damage and still kill everything

Which is the biggest lie I've ever heard.

You can't even get 500 weapon damage -- it literally doesn't go that low. The only way would be if you were to be on a max char and equip a level 20-30 weapon, then at that point OP is lying again because it's supposedly his "PVE Tank Setup" so it's asinine to assume that he's running a non-cp160 weapon.

Yes this is the ONLY damage I put out and people die.

LegacyDM · December 2016

SnubbS wrote: »

This is the biggest lie I've ever read. You're trying to say that your only damaging abilities are Puncture, Bash & Tremorscale (throw in some LA's) -- and that you're killing people "All day".

quadraxis666 wrote: »

I think he's trying to make the point that this whole proc nonsense online cheese is so ridiculous that you can have a meager 500 weapon damage and still kill everything

Which is the biggest lie I've ever heard.

You can't even get 500 weapon damage -- it literally doesn't go that low. The only way would be if you were to be on a max char and equip a level 20-30 weapon, then at that point OP is lying again because it's supposedly his "PVE Tank Setup" so it's asinine to assume that he's running a non-cp160 weapon.

Maybe the op is lying or exaggerating but if you read my post with a stamina build that has 40k stamina and 3-4k weapon damage you can exploit the system to do some very real and serious damage. So I think the op point is still valid.

Sugaroverdose · December 2016

Paneross wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

This is the biggest lie I've ever read. You're trying to say that your only damaging abilities are Puncture, Bash & Tremorscale (throw in some LA's) -- and that you're killing people "All day".

quadraxis666 wrote: »

I think he's trying to make the point that this whole proc nonsense online cheese is so ridiculous that you can have a meager 500 weapon damage and still kill everything

Which is the biggest lie I've ever heard.

You can't even get 500 weapon damage -- it literally doesn't go that low. The only way would be if you were to be on a max char and equip a level 20-30 weapon, then at that point OP is lying again because it's supposedly his "PVE Tank Setup" so it's asinine to assume that he's running a non-cp160 weapon.

Yes this is the ONLY damage I put out and people die.

What about video ?

Paneross · December 2016

Yes all the damage comes from Tremorscale.

Paneross · December 2016

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

This is the biggest lie I've ever read. You're trying to say that your only damaging abilities are Puncture, Bash & Tremorscale (throw in some LA's) -- and that you're killing people "All day".

quadraxis666 wrote: »

I think he's trying to make the point that this whole proc nonsense online cheese is so ridiculous that you can have a meager 500 weapon damage and still kill everything

Which is the biggest lie I've ever heard.

You can't even get 500 weapon damage -- it literally doesn't go that low. The only way would be if you were to be on a max char and equip a level 20-30 weapon, then at that point OP is lying again because it's supposedly his "PVE Tank Setup" so it's asinine to assume that he's running a non-cp160 weapon.

Yes this is the ONLY damage I put out and people die.

What about video ?

I'll make one tonight.

Panda_iMunch · December 2016

Yes, proc sets do more damage all at once than what 90%+ of people agree should be allowed. Not like this has been beaten to the ground already.

SnubbS · December 2016

Paneross wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

This is the biggest lie I've ever read. You're trying to say that your only damaging abilities are Puncture, Bash & Tremorscale (throw in some LA's) -- and that you're killing people "All day".

quadraxis666 wrote: »

I think he's trying to make the point that this whole proc nonsense online cheese is so ridiculous that you can have a meager 500 weapon damage and still kill everything

Which is the biggest lie I've ever heard.

You can't even get 500 weapon damage -- it literally doesn't go that low. The only way would be if you were to be on a max char and equip a level 20-30 weapon, then at that point OP is lying again because it's supposedly his "PVE Tank Setup" so it's asinine to assume that he's running a non-cp160 weapon.

Yes this is the ONLY damage I put out and people die.

Maybe they die if you're Zerg surfing and 6 other people attack them as well.

LegacyDM wrote: »

Maybe the op is lying or exaggerating but if you read my post with a stamina build that has 40k stamina and 3-4k weapon damage you can exploit the system to do some very real and serious damage. So I think the op point is still valid.

I run the build that exploits Tremorscale to the max -- it simply does not hit decent builds very hard. 5-6k crit is all you can expect against a level 20 with green gear and no crit resist.

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

What about video ?

Going to make a video myself.

Hand_Bacon · December 2016

LegacyDM wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

How?

Tremorscale rotation.

Heavy attack, puncture, Bash.

This is just my PvE tank build. 0 Crit Resistance and I kill people all day with this 2peice set.

Here's the problem. With animation canceling you can combine ha, "insert skill here" and bash to execute a combo in 1 sec and do large damage. A combo which should take seconds to execute is being exploited to execute in 1 second. Ever wonder how that nb killed you in 1 sec but was able to string multiple attacks together?

If community doesnt believe me just test it yourself or I'll post a video later. I tested this last night and the result was eye opening. By using bash I was able to cast conceled weapon with NO animation. My la immediately went into bash skipping conceled weapon yet conceled weapon showed up in my combat log.

Then of course you add the proc set yo the mix it just pwns.

This is the thing, right here. People have complained since the beginning about being "one shotted" when in fact its numerous attacks stacked via animation cancelling and other "creative" ways. ZoS has stated many times that animation cancelling is not an exploit so its part of the game.

Unfortunately, being proficient with one's animation cancelling is generally regarded as one's "skill". With these proc sets, people are, for all intents and purposes, now on the receiving end of the same product that the "skilled" have been producing from the beginning. What goes around really goes around.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, I'll proc it up or ani cancel it up...doesn't matter to me. I'm not going to post here claiming any game based moral superiority one way or the other.

BomblePants · December 2016

So what kind of weapon damage should we be aiming for.....? I only have 1752 on my main.... :'(

Paneross · December 2016

BomblePants wrote: »

So what kind of weapon damage should we be aiming for.....? I only have 1752 on my main.... :'(

Put on Tremorscale now and win.

Rohaus · December 2016

Animation cancelling is a thing of the past. Because of the changes implemented a while back... animations often break... ever seen Fengrush talk about macro slicing or whatever he calls it...

Broken... all because the whiners were either too lazy to figure it out or they wanted combat dumbed down to the point where the game might as well be turn based.

Hand_Bacon · December 2016

Its not totally broken, some things are, some aren't, some just changed. You can still cancel a light attack or heavy attack animation with a skill, you can still end rapids on a heavy. You can still bar swap cancel many many skills, block cancel tornado, etc etc etc

Rohaus · December 2016

End rapids on a heavy? Are you talking rapid strikes?

Hand_Bacon · December 2016

Yep, sorry, should have been more specific.

Rohaus · December 2016

It took a while to get used to light attack + ransack + bash after ZOS had made the changes to animation prioritization. It is so friggen clunky now though that I would say that most wouldn't even be using it if it wasn't for Tremorscale.

Animations used to be smooth and efficient...

I remember people complaining about not seeing WB because it was hidden behind a heavy attack... those baddies would have still died regardless if they saw the animation or not.

So, my message to the noobs and baddies... just keep dying like you always have due to your lack of desire in trying to understand the game and the mechanics. Stay behind your numbers and only come out to play when those same numbers will chase after you to kill ONE player.

Rohaus · December 2016

I wish heavy attacks were better... heavy attacks with a 2hander are beyond slow... so basically, the only thing you can do with Dizzying Swing or Wrecking blow is light attack before it... which isn't teribad but nothing compared to the burst damage potential of the past.

What I would love to see is heavy attacks that were much quicker... what is the time for a heavy attack with a 2 handed mace,sword, or axe? I think it is something like 1.1 seconds if you end it with an instant ability ? 1.6s for the full execution of the animation if you don't do anything else.

Heavy attacks with a 2 hander shouldn't be any longer than 600ms. I'd prefer it to be around 500ms... but some testing could find the sweet spot for the exact time it should be.

I just really love the idea of using heavy attacks for actual combat versus something you use as a last ditch effort to gain resources back.

Sallington · December 2016

I'm Ron Burgundy?

Hand_Bacon · December 2016

I thought the heavy attack cutoff point was around a quarter of a second. Not sure though. I thought I read that somewhere or maybe that's the new time it takes for any skill/attack command to process. I don't know, its been awhile since I read that.

LegacyDM · December 2016

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

How?

Tremorscale rotation.

Heavy attack, puncture, Bash.

This is just my PvE tank build. 0 Crit Resistance and I kill people all day with this 2peice set.

Here's the problem. With animation canceling you can combine ha, "insert skill here" and bash to execute a combo in 1 sec and do large damage. A combo which should take seconds to execute is being exploited to execute in 1 second. Ever wonder how that nb killed you in 1 sec but was able to string multiple attacks together?

If community doesnt believe me just test it yourself or I'll post a video later. I tested this last night and the result was eye opening. By using bash I was able to cast conceled weapon with NO animation. My la immediately went into bash skipping conceled weapon yet conceled weapon showed up in my combat log.

Then of course you add the proc set yo the mix it just pwns.

This is the thing, right here. People have complained since the beginning about being "one shotted" when in fact its numerous attacks stacked via animation cancelling and other "creative" ways. ZoS has stated many times that animation cancelling is not an exploit so its part of the game.

Unfortunately, being proficient with one's animation cancelling is generally regarded as one's "skill". With these proc sets, people are, for all intents and purposes, now on the receiving end of the same product that the "skilled" have been producing from the beginning. What goes around really goes around.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, I'll proc it up or ani cancel it up...doesn't matter to me. I'm not going to post here claiming any game based moral superiority one way or the other.

Couldn't agree more.

Yet there is a difference between light attack weaving using animation canceling and flat out canceling entire attacks that still do damage. I can chop off the end of the animation with a skill using animation canceling with a la weave. In other games this would be referred as "clipping".

However, by using bash you can literally cut out an entire skill cast and it still hits. I like weaving but canceling entire rotational skills is broken, skilless, and cheese.

Rohaus · December 2016

LegacyDM wrote: »

However, by using bash you can literally cut out an entire skill cast and it still hits. I like weaving but canceling entire rotational skills is broken, skilless, and cheese.

yes, doing a bash behind a skill does cancel the animation of an instant abilty quickly... BUT... if you are doing a bash at the end of anything other than a sword and board ability, you will drain your resources quicker than you can say Great Scott!

Also... the damage from bash is subpar at best unless you are using 1HS.

BUT... sword and board abilities such as puncture, reverb bash... those animations still play out regardless if you bash or not... the generic bash I am referring to.

Rohaus · December 2016

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

I thought the heavy attack cutoff point was around a quarter of a second. Not sure though. I thought I read that somewhere or maybe that's the new time it takes for any skill/attack command to process. I don't know, its been awhile since I read that.

That would yield you a medium attack... heavy attack is only counted as such if you yield resources from the attack.

My weapon and spell damage is &lt; 500, I kill people

My weapon and spell damage is < 500, I kill people