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Did anyone notice that stamina heals better than magicka heals?
Julianos
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If you are not templar or healer but using resto staff on back bar for self healing as a magicka dps, ability heals are so slow and small. Any stamina build with rally+vigor can outperform lame ass resto staff heals this is just another pathetic example that show how this game is broken.
Im talking about pvp btw
Edited by Julianos on December 7, 2016 12:52PM Im talking about pvp btw
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Skcarkden✭✭✭✭The irony when a dedicated skill line is completely outclassed by a single ability from any other skill line.19
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Jimbullbee85✭✭✭✭Yup I agree. Surely resto staff self heals should be at least on par with stamina self heals. Although, healing ward is both a heal and a shield so you could argue that it balances.Edited by Jimbullbee85 on December 7, 2016 12:01PMJimbullbee, Templar healer battlemage1 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Healing Ward has saved me many of times, although that is the only skill I'd contemplate using from that tree (PvP wise)2 -
mdylan2013✭✭✭✭✭The game heavily favours Stam users, I'm not surprised.PS4/EU
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Rev Rielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭The Restoration Staff is magicka based, Vigor/Rally is not.
This is exactly the reason vigor was modified (~ year ago?) and is what it is today; so stamina classes can have some sort of significant self healing.
I think comparing the two is nonsensical. Of course on a stamina focused character the restoration staff will not perform as well.If you can be anything, be kind.5 -
Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭mdylan2013 wrote: »The game heavily favours Stam users, I'm not surprised.
That hasn't been true for months now.Susano'o
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✭✭True, that's why most endgame guilds are using stam dks or stamplars as healers now. Just cast vigor once a while and watch how it's 15k ticks keep everyone alife.4 -
mdylan2013✭✭✭✭✭mdylan2013 wrote: »The game heavily favours Stam users, I'm not surprised.
That hasn't been true for months now.
What changed then?PS4/EU
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Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭mdylan2013 wrote: »mdylan2013 wrote: »The game heavily favours Stam users, I'm not surprised.
That hasn't been true for months now.
What changed then?
Magicka has gotten some powerful sets, making them equal and in a lot of cases even superior in terms of DPS in PvE.
Group PvP is all about Magicka. A competitive PvP group runs 1 or 2 stam users to be the rapid and caltrops slaves, but other than that, it's all magicka. Magicka templars for heals, magicka sorcs for negates and roots, magicka NBs for bombing.
I won't deny that stamina still has the hideously broken proc sets, making them incredibly powerful in 1v1 or very smallscaled PvP. But saying the game favors stamina is not true anymore.Susano'o
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✭It's major mending on a stamina character that's OP, they can dodge roll and completely negate all damage and then Vigor for huge ticks.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »
I'ma actually try it though. I'll slot echoing vigor and efficient purge. See how long it takes before I get kicked out of the group.0 -
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In some of the easier vet dungeons this actually works, especially with repentance, as the repentance heal scales with your highest stat. I had to use it a few times when someone thought he could queue as healer on his snipe spamming nb to get into a group faster.DannyLV702 wrote: »
I'ma actually try it though. I'll slot echoing vigor and efficient purge. See how long it takes before I get kicked out of the group.0 -
snejremllov✭✭✭If you are not templar or healer but using resto staff on back bar for self healing as a magicka dps, ability heals are so slow and small. Any stamina build with rally+vigor can outperform lame ass resto staff heals this is just another pathetic example that show how this game is broken.
I assume we're talking about pve here. Magicka characters have much more inherent CLASS heals than stamina does.
- Magicka Templars are broken because Breath of Life
- Sorcs (both mag and stam) have Surge
- Magicka Nightblade has and aoe heal, Sap Essence, and a single target heal, Funnel Health
- Magicka DK has an aoe heal, Deep Breath, and a single target heal, Burning Embers
We're not even talking about Harness Magicka here, an instant survive button that pays itself off and is only available to magicka users.
Excluding surge, there are no class abilites that help stamina characters heal themselves. Therefore they have to use vigor or restrict themselves to wearing a 2hander, which is the same as having to wear a resto staff. Did I mention that most of these magicka heals are used in optimal DPS rotations? Cant say the same about Vigor and Rally. In terms of selfheal, magicka characters are far superior to stamina ones. If you can't survive on a magicka build, I suggest rethinking your setup.9 -
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✭✭✭✭So you expect stam users that are like 90% in melee combat to have lame ass heals. And you say magicka has weak heals. But is that so?
mDK can heal himself with a single spammable skill that also kills enemies. Add to that healing morph of a whip and you can see who has superior heals, sDK or mDK.
mNB can use siphoning attacks, swallow soul/funnel health, not to mention sap essence and soul tether. All of these also damages enemies.
Sorc has dark deal, crit surge, and a pet. Can't say its rubbish.
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✭✭✭✭So you expect stam users that are like 90% in melee combat to have lame ass heals. And you say magicka has weak heals. But is that so?
mDK can heal himself with a single spammable skill that also kills enemies. Add to that healing morph of a whip and you can see who has superior heals, sDK or mDK.
mNB can use siphoning attacks, swallow soul/funnel health, not to mention sap essence and soul tether. All of these also damages enemies.
Sorc has dark deal, crit surge, and a pet. Can't say its rubbish.
MagDK superior healing than stamDK? What?Susano'o
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✭✭✭✭mDK can self heal trough skills that kill enemies in the process. If that is not superior in your book, please, kill them by spamming vigor. Or spam rally. All will die of laughter, I'm sure.3 -
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✭✭✭But, but you have more sustain.....
Oh wait we don't. We got less or same sustain, lower damage/burst, and now lower healing. And we have less defense if we want to enjoy our loin cloth armor.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."2 -
raj72616a✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »But, but you have more sustain.....
Oh wait we don't. We got less or same sustain, lower damage/burst, and now lower healing. And we have less defense if we want to enjoy our loin cloth armor.
but you have range?3 -
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Yes that's why when am running Vet dungeons or trial's we have no healers only StamDPs healing everyone with vigor *Sarcasm*.I guess that's why you see so many stamina healers in dungeons
Magic builds in PVE has Superior healing through in class abilities alone,while most of them also deal damage.Magic builds in PVE have access to better heals then stam.PVP that's a different story.2 -
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✭✭✭✭mDK can self heal trough skills that kill enemies in the process. If that is not superior in your book, please, kill them by spamming vigor. Or spam rally. All will die of laughter, I'm sure.
I take you have never played a mag DK and that you don't exactly understand what makes rally and vigor such a strong combination.Susano'o
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✭lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »someone thought he could queue as healer on his snipe spamming nb to get into a group faster.
That would be a time when getting kicked from a group would rightfully deserve a 15 minute penalty.Edited by Cryptical on December 7, 2016 1:06PMXbox NA0 -
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✭✭✭I should start healing in trials with my stamblade. Then when my teammates start dying, and they say my heals are trash, I'll just mention that I heard that stamina heals are stronger than magicka on the forums; and that should resolve that conflict.7 -
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✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »But, but you have more sustain.....
Oh wait we don't. We got less or same sustain, lower damage/burst, and now lower healing. And we have less defense if we want to enjoy our loin cloth armor.
but you have range?
Tell that to mister bowtard or the spearspamming stamplars using deathray vision.
And as melee magblade I do not have range (and thus recently use firestaff a lot more)٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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✭✭✭✭mDK can self heal trough skills that kill enemies in the process. If that is not superior in your book, please, kill them by spamming vigor. Or spam rally. All will die of laughter, I'm sure.
I take you have never played a mag DK and that you don't exactly understand what makes rally and vigor such a strong combination.
I play both mDK and sDK on daily basis.Edited by Enslaved on December 7, 2016 1:14PM0 -
ConeOfSilence✭✭✭✭Is there anything you actually like about this game OP, seems you do complain on the forum a lot. Lest you have given up on the RD threads for now. Why are you still playing this game ?1 -
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✭mdylan2013 wrote: »The game heavily favours Stam users, I'm not surprised.
Not in trials it doesn'tBosmer Stamina NB
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Dunmer DK both stam/mag (depends what I feel like)
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Breton Magicka Sorc
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✭mDK can self heal trough skills that kill enemies in the process. If that is not superior in your book, please, kill them by spamming vigor. Or spam rally. All will die of laughter, I'm sure.
I take you have never played a mag DK and that you don't exactly understand what makes rally and vigor such a strong combination.
I play both mDK and sDK on daily basis.
I find that hard to believe, I'm going to say you play with crayons1