T-bagging is against the rules now?
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭On the other hand, none of us would really be surprised if the people trying to defend it virtually aren't predisposed to committing it actually. If it does turn out to be a banable offense, what's the worst that could happen? Will your feelings get hurt because you were shunned and excluded from an online community? I'm sure you'd recover.
I'll just point out that I don't play PvP, it's boring and very broken, I just find the thread one fascinating oxymoron. But I think it's a leap too far for you to insinuate that someone who t-bags another in a game would follow such patterns in real life. You are really only one step away from those people who say that video games make people violent. And we know there's no scientific evidence to back that one up.
People play games as escapism, there really is no scientific evidence at all that suggests the behaviour exhibited in games spills over into real life. e.g., I play GTA sometimes, which involves me stealing and smashing up cars and running people down with them. And yet in real life I collect sports cars which I cherish and look after, race to the best of my ability and teach other people to race as well as they can, while also contributing to policy on road safety. Whatever your feelings on in game behaviour, to attempt to equate it to IRL behaviour is really quite deluded.
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✭✭✭✭✭On the other hand, none of us would really be surprised if the people trying to defend it virtually aren't predisposed to committing it actually. If it does turn out to be a banable offense, what's the worst that could happen? Will your feelings get hurt because you were shunned and excluded from an online community? I'm sure you'd recover.
I'll just point out that I don't play PvP, it's boring and very broken, I just find the thread one fascinating oxymoron. But I think it's a leap too far for you to insinuate that someone who t-bags another in a game would follow such patterns in real life. You are really only one step away from those people who say that video games make people violent. And we know there's no scientific evidence to back that one up.
People play games as escapism, there really is no scientific evidence at all that suggests the behavious exhibited in games spills over into real life. e.g., I play GTA sometimes, which involves me stealing and smashing up cars and running people down with them. And yet in real life I collect sports cars which I cherish and look after, race to the best of my ability and teach other people to race as well as they can, while also contributing to policy on road safety. Whatever your feelings on in game behaviour, to attempt to equate it to IRL behaviour is really quite deluded.
I'm pretty sure that this is almost true, but you have it backwards. There is no evidence that playing violent video games causes people to act violently in real life. This makes sense, since actual violence is very noticeable and easily prosecutable. The same is not necessarily true for sexual violence, I would argue. It's much easier to get away with and many people aren't even aware of all the activities that can constitute sexual assault. In this case, we could consider community silence on unnecessary virtual proxies for sex violence to be a normalizing factor, which can indeed increase the likelihood for problem behavior in real life. The crux comes down to how wildly inappropriate a taboo action is in real life versus the execution of that action in a video game. It's easy to see why someone would be able to keep themselves from murder, as there are harsh penalties and it's hard to get away with. Same for auto theft. Not necessarily true for other crimes that carry a smaller punishment and which are normalized by the community.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭On the other hand, none of us would really be surprised if the people trying to defend it virtually aren't predisposed to committing it actually. If it does turn out to be a banable offense, what's the worst that could happen? Will your feelings get hurt because you were shunned and excluded from an online community? I'm sure you'd recover.
I'll just point out that I don't play PvP, it's boring and very broken, I just find the thread one fascinating oxymoron. But I think it's a leap too far for you to insinuate that someone who t-bags another in a game would follow such patterns in real life. You are really only one step away from those people who say that video games make people violent. And we know there's no scientific evidence to back that one up.
People play games as escapism, there really is no scientific evidence at all that suggests the behavious exhibited in games spills over into real life. e.g., I play GTA sometimes, which involves me stealing and smashing up cars and running people down with them. And yet in real life I collect sports cars which I cherish and look after, race to the best of my ability and teach other people to race as well as they can, while also contributing to policy on road safety. Whatever your feelings on in game behaviour, to attempt to equate it to IRL behaviour is really quite deluded.
I'm pretty sure that this is almost true, but you have it backwards. There is no evidence that playing violent video games causes people to act violently in real life. This makes sense, since actual violence is very noticeable and easily prosecutable. The same is not necessarily true for sexual violence, I would argue. It's much easier to get away with and many people aren't even aware of all the activities that can constitute sexual assault. In this case, we could consider community silence on unnecessary virtual proxies for sex violence to be a normalizing factor, which can indeed increase the likelihood for problem behavior in real life. The crux comes down to how wildly inappropriate a taboo action is in real life versus the execution of that action in a video game. It's easy to see why someone would be able to keep themselves from murder, as there are harsh penalties and it's hard to get away with. Same for auto theft. Not necessarily true for other crimes that carry a smaller punishment and which are normalized by the community.
Yes, I do agree IRL sexual violence is a 'silent crime', but I still have trouble equating someone who t-bags a conquest in a game with a real life sexual assaulter. However, I am certainly always open to hearing new ideas and absorbing new information, especially when it comes to the oddness of humans. Do you have any sources/evidence/published theories on this?3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭On the other hand, none of us would really be surprised if the people trying to defend it virtually aren't predisposed to committing it actually. If it does turn out to be a banable offense, what's the worst that could happen? Will your feelings get hurt because you were shunned and excluded from an online community? I'm sure you'd recover.
I'll just point out that I don't play PvP, it's boring and very broken, I just find the thread one fascinating oxymoron. But I think it's a leap too far for you to insinuate that someone who t-bags another in a game would follow such patterns in real life. You are really only one step away from those people who say that video games make people violent. And we know there's no scientific evidence to back that one up.
People play games as escapism, there really is no scientific evidence at all that suggests the behavious exhibited in games spills over into real life. e.g., I play GTA sometimes, which involves me stealing and smashing up cars and running people down with them. And yet in real life I collect sports cars which I cherish and look after, race to the best of my ability and teach other people to race as well as they can, while also contributing to policy on road safety. Whatever your feelings on in game behaviour, to attempt to equate it to IRL behaviour is really quite deluded.
I'm pretty sure that this is almost true, but you have it backwards. There is no evidence that playing violent video games causes people to act violently in real life. This makes sense, since actual violence is very noticeable and easily prosecutable. The same is not necessarily true for sexual violence, I would argue. It's much easier to get away with and many people aren't even aware of all the activities that can constitute sexual assault. In this case, we could consider community silence on unnecessary virtual proxies for sex violence to be a normalizing factor, which can indeed increase the likelihood for problem behavior in real life. The crux comes down to how wildly inappropriate a taboo action is in real life versus the execution of that action in a video game. It's easy to see why someone would be able to keep themselves from murder, as there are harsh penalties and it's hard to get away with. Same for auto theft. Not necessarily true for other crimes that carry a smaller punishment and which are normalized by the community.
Yes, I do agree IRL sexual violence is a 'silent crime', but I still have trouble equating someone who t-bags a conquest in a game with a real life sexual assaulter. However, I am certainly always open to hearing new ideas and absorbing new information, especially when it comes to the oddness of humans. Do you have any sources/evidence/published theories on this?
I wasn't equating, I only suggested they were predisposed to do so in real life. I've got to be up way early for a class tomorrow so I can't find a bunch of info that isn't behind a paywall, but if you have some investigatory methods I'm sure you can find Totally Legitimate Access to these studies that at least address some of what I'm talking about
Effects of Sexist Humor on Tolerance of Sexist Events
Effects of exposure to sexist humor on perceptions of normative tolerance of sexism
It's Just a Joke: Violence Against Males in Humorous Advertising
Shaping Perceptions by a Few Key Words: A Look at How the Media Controls the Public's Perceptions of *** and Domestic Violence Victims
Male on male sexual assault in the military: Overlooked and hard to fix, investigation finds (News article, not scholarly, included to provide context)
Department of Defense FY08 Report on Sexual Assault in the Military
Should cover a little bit of everything form normalizing problem behavior to the more specific real-life sexual assault of male-on-male teabagging among a population with high exposure to FPS games that feature teabagging as a casual facet of the culture. More study would be needed, I believe, to see if this exact cognate between online behavior and offline behavior is causative, influential, or just a weirdly poignant coincidence.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭✭Should cover a little bit of everything form normalizing problem behavior to the more specific real-life sexual assault of male-on-male teabagging among a population with high exposure to FPS games that feature teabagging as a casual facet of the culture. More study would be needed, I believe, to see if this exact cognate between online behavior and offline behavior is causative, influential, or just a weirdly poignant coincidence.
that was deep, ankle deep...
yeah, just like listening to heavy metal and gangsta rap makes me wanna go out and commit violence, just like reggae music makes me wanna get high, just like listening to sade makes me wanna get freaky...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place3 -
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I bet a lot of people on here have those fancy tea making utensils and pretend they've been using them for years.PC EU2 -
Sunburnt_Penguin✭✭✭✭✭This again?
You guys need to grow thicker skin. It's not about putting a virtual bag or clam in someone's face, all it is, is either a sign of disrespect or a statement like "haha gotchyaaa" or "git gud noob".
The actual meaning behind it is no different to anyone who dances, sweeps, laughs etc on or near someone who's laying on the ground. It's just easier to do.
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭Should cover a little bit of everything form normalizing problem behavior to the more specific real-life sexual assault of male-on-male teabagging among a population with high exposure to FPS games that feature teabagging as a casual facet of the culture. More study would be needed, I believe, to see if this exact cognate between online behavior and offline behavior is causative, influential, or just a weirdly poignant coincidence.
that was deep, ankle deep...
yeah, just like listening to heavy metal and gangsta rap makes me wanna go out and commit violence, just like reggae music makes me wanna get high, just like listening to sade makes me wanna get freaky...
Listening to Sade does actually make me want to kill people, so perhaps there is a point here...
But thank you to the poster who posted the articles, I will read them, always happy to have my mind changed. But right now I am definitely in the 'grow a thicker skin' camp. And I don't just mean *** skin.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭But thank you to the poster who posted the articles, I will read them, always happy to have my mind changed. But right now I am definitely in the 'grow a thicker skin' camp. And I don't just mean *** skin.
Is it unthinkable to :
1/ Ignore it / laugh at it / choose to let it not offend and continue playing the game as we like ;
2/ Condemn it firmly because it's unsportsmanlike, childish, disrespectul, intended to humiliate and trigger, etc etc (not rewriting everything here)
I do both. Am I schizophrenic ?
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »The whole act of shoving your genitalia into someone else's face without consent is highly questionable no matter how you look at it.
IRL yes. But we're talking about a game where we shove swords into each other's faces, explicity against consent (we're desperately trying to defend against it, in fact). So the point really would appear to pale into insignificance here. If the game were 'Flower Arranging Simulator 2.1' I think the context might be a tad different however.Edited by raglau on December 6, 2016 9:39AM2 -
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If shoving your genitalia into someone else's face is part of making war to you, I don't really know what to say. There's a slew of nice emotes people can use, but for some reason the pubescent boys always seem to prefer shoving their genitalia into your face. I think it's great that they seem to be homosexuals looking for a good time, but this is not way to approach such a situation.Lava_Croft wrote: »The whole act of shoving your genitalia into someone else's face without consent is highly questionable no matter how you look at it.
IRL yes. But we're talking about a game where we shove swords into each other's faces, explicity against consent (we're desperately trying to defend against it, in fact). So the point really would appear to pale into insignificance here. If the game 'Flower Arranging Simulator 2.1' I think the context might be a tad different however.
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Sunburnt_Penguin✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »The whole act of shoving your genitalia into someone else's face without consent is highly questionable no matter how you look at it.
My genitalia? I RP as a eunuch. Does this mean that it's acceptable for me to tea-bag (I use that term loosely)?
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
If shoving your genitalia into someone else's face is part of making war to you, I don't really know what to say. There's a slew of nice emotes people can use, but for some reason the pubescent boys always seem to prefer shoving their genitalia into your face. I think it's great that they seem to be homosexuals looking for a good time, but this is not way to approach such a situation.Lava_Croft wrote: »The whole act of shoving your genitalia into someone else's face without consent is highly questionable no matter how you look at it.
IRL yes. But we're talking about a game where we shove swords into each other's faces, explicity against consent (we're desperately trying to defend against it, in fact). So the point really would appear to pale into insignificance here. If the game 'Flower Arranging Simulator 2.1' I think the context might be a tad different however.
As I say, I do not play PvP in ESO, it's boring and broken and lacks challenge. So it's not part of war to me personally. But, there is no doubt that sexual assault is actually a part of real life war. American soldiers have *** their way around the world in their many illegal and questionable wars, and they are certainly only the most recent perpetrators and certainly will not be the last. But again, that is real life, this is a game.
If you feel there is a correlation between in game behaviour and IRL sexuality, please post your sources, because I have never come across such a thing, and I'm married to one of the most eminent psychologists in the UK. When I read that part of your post out to her just now over morning coffee, she merely snickered, so I am assuming it's not a 'thing' in her field.1 -
Sunburnt_Penguin✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
If shoving your genitalia into someone else's face is part of making war to you, I don't really know what to say. There's a slew of nice emotes people can use, but for some reason the pubescent boys always seem to prefer shoving their genitalia into your face. I think it's great that they seem to be homosexuals looking for a good time, but this is not way to approach such a situation.Lava_Croft wrote: »The whole act of shoving your genitalia into someone else's face without consent is highly questionable no matter how you look at it.
IRL yes. But we're talking about a game where we shove swords into each other's faces, explicity against consent (we're desperately trying to defend against it, in fact). So the point really would appear to pale into insignificance here. If the game 'Flower Arranging Simulator 2.1' I think the context might be a tad different however.
Please stop using gender and age-based stereotyping, that is against ZOS' TOS. Furthermore, I know plenty of females and older males who clam-slam/tea-bag.2 -
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The act of teabagging is inherently sexual and for every internet psychologist saying A there are many more saying B or C.Lava_Croft wrote: »
If shoving your genitalia into someone else's face is part of making war to you, I don't really know what to say. There's a slew of nice emotes people can use, but for some reason the pubescent boys always seem to prefer shoving their genitalia into your face. I think it's great that they seem to be homosexuals looking for a good time, but this is not way to approach such a situation.Lava_Croft wrote: »The whole act of shoving your genitalia into someone else's face without consent is highly questionable no matter how you look at it.
IRL yes. But we're talking about a game where we shove swords into each other's faces, explicity against consent (we're desperately trying to defend against it, in fact). So the point really would appear to pale into insignificance here. If the game 'Flower Arranging Simulator 2.1' I think the context might be a tad different however.
As I say, I do not play PvP in ESO, it's boring and broken and lacks challenge. So it's not part of war to me personally. But, there is no doubt that sexual assault is actually a part of real life war. American soldiers have *** their way around the world in their many illegal and questionable wars, and they are certainly only the most recent perpetrators and certainly will not be the last. But again, that is real life, this is a game.
If you feel there is a correlation between in game behaviour and IRL sexuality, please post your sources, because I have never come across such a thing, and I'm married to one of the most eminent psychologists in the UK. When I read that part of your post out to her just now over morning coffee, she merely snickered, so I am assuming it's not a 'thing' in her field.
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
The act of teabagging is inherently sexual and for every internet psychologist saying A there are many more saying B or C.Lava_Croft wrote: »
If shoving your genitalia into someone else's face is part of making war to you, I don't really know what to say. There's a slew of nice emotes people can use, but for some reason the pubescent boys always seem to prefer shoving their genitalia into your face. I think it's great that they seem to be homosexuals looking for a good time, but this is not way to approach such a situation.Lava_Croft wrote: »The whole act of shoving your genitalia into someone else's face without consent is highly questionable no matter how you look at it.
IRL yes. But we're talking about a game where we shove swords into each other's faces, explicity against consent (we're desperately trying to defend against it, in fact). So the point really would appear to pale into insignificance here. If the game 'Flower Arranging Simulator 2.1' I think the context might be a tad different however.
As I say, I do not play PvP in ESO, it's boring and broken and lacks challenge. So it's not part of war to me personally. But, there is no doubt that sexual assault is actually a part of real life war. American soldiers have *** their way around the world in their many illegal and questionable wars, and they are certainly only the most recent perpetrators and certainly will not be the last. But again, that is real life, this is a game.
If you feel there is a correlation between in game behaviour and IRL sexuality, please post your sources, because I have never come across such a thing, and I'm married to one of the most eminent psychologists in the UK. When I read that part of your post out to her just now over morning coffee, she merely snickered, so I am assuming it's not a 'thing' in her field.
As I say, please quote your sources saying it correlates with sexuality. You made a claim that the perpetrators seem to be homosexuals. That's a pretty strong claim to make, it therefore requires strong evidence.
The earlier poster I am in discussion with posted sources (which I have yet to read), so we take can his post and view seriously. If you can't do the same then we can safely dismiss your post as a mere opinion. Which I thank you for airing, but you know what they say about opinions..
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I know the players that teabag me, I know that they are almost exclusively male. If a male shoves his genitalia into my face I can only assume he is a homosexual looking for a good time but going about it the wrong way.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Must be great entering discussions without having a clue about the subject matter.Lava_Croft wrote: »
The act of teabagging is inherently sexual and for every internet psychologist saying A there are many more saying B or C.Lava_Croft wrote: »
If shoving your genitalia into someone else's face is part of making war to you, I don't really know what to say. There's a slew of nice emotes people can use, but for some reason the pubescent boys always seem to prefer shoving their genitalia into your face. I think it's great that they seem to be homosexuals looking for a good time, but this is not way to approach such a situation.Lava_Croft wrote: »The whole act of shoving your genitalia into someone else's face without consent is highly questionable no matter how you look at it.
IRL yes. But we're talking about a game where we shove swords into each other's faces, explicity against consent (we're desperately trying to defend against it, in fact). So the point really would appear to pale into insignificance here. If the game 'Flower Arranging Simulator 2.1' I think the context might be a tad different however.
As I say, I do not play PvP in ESO, it's boring and broken and lacks challenge. So it's not part of war to me personally. But, there is no doubt that sexual assault is actually a part of real life war. American soldiers have *** their way around the world in their many illegal and questionable wars, and they are certainly only the most recent perpetrators and certainly will not be the last. But again, that is real life, this is a game.
If you feel there is a correlation between in game behaviour and IRL sexuality, please post your sources, because I have never come across such a thing, and I'm married to one of the most eminent psychologists in the UK. When I read that part of your post out to her just now over morning coffee, she merely snickered, so I am assuming it's not a 'thing' in her field.
As I say, please quote your sources saying it correlates with sexuality. You made a claim that the perpetrators seem to be homosexuals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagging
I know what Teabagging is. I am asking you to quote your sources saying that the perpetrators must be homosexual.
You seem to be unable to do so.
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✭✭✭Never understood why people get their Daisy Dukes in a twist over this. Fair enough if you were out for the count in real life and you woke to find someone doing it because that is truly disgusting, but a bunch of pixels doing it to another bunch of pixels? I can only assume most of the rage comes from those who are bad losers or easily offended and if it wasn't t-bagging, they'd find something else to be offended about. Do i find it funny? Not in the slightest because I'm over the age of 10 or 11, but doesn't mean some kid having their 15 seconds of fun irritates me.2 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
I know the players that teabag me, I know that they are almost exclusively male. If a male shoves his genitalia into my face I can only assume he is a homosexual looking for a good time but going about it the wrong way.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Must be great entering discussions without having a clue about the subject matter.Lava_Croft wrote: »
The act of teabagging is inherently sexual and for every internet psychologist saying A there are many more saying B or C.Lava_Croft wrote: »
If shoving your genitalia into someone else's face is part of making war to you, I don't really know what to say. There's a slew of nice emotes people can use, but for some reason the pubescent boys always seem to prefer shoving their genitalia into your face. I think it's great that they seem to be homosexuals looking for a good time, but this is not way to approach such a situation.Lava_Croft wrote: »The whole act of shoving your genitalia into someone else's face without consent is highly questionable no matter how you look at it.
IRL yes. But we're talking about a game where we shove swords into each other's faces, explicity against consent (we're desperately trying to defend against it, in fact). So the point really would appear to pale into insignificance here. If the game 'Flower Arranging Simulator 2.1' I think the context might be a tad different however.
As I say, I do not play PvP in ESO, it's boring and broken and lacks challenge. So it's not part of war to me personally. But, there is no doubt that sexual assault is actually a part of real life war. American soldiers have *** their way around the world in their many illegal and questionable wars, and they are certainly only the most recent perpetrators and certainly will not be the last. But again, that is real life, this is a game.
If you feel there is a correlation between in game behaviour and IRL sexuality, please post your sources, because I have never come across such a thing, and I'm married to one of the most eminent psychologists in the UK. When I read that part of your post out to her just now over morning coffee, she merely snickered, so I am assuming it's not a 'thing' in her field.
As I say, please quote your sources saying it correlates with sexuality. You made a claim that the perpetrators seem to be homosexuals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagging
I know what Teabagging is. I am asking you to quote your sources saying that the perpetrators must be homosexual.
You seem to be unable to do so.
I see.
A rather strong assumption to make given that:
1 - It's a game not RL
2 - If we defer to the view that teabagging is sexual assault, most male on male sexual assault is not carried out by homosexuals, it's a form of control, as is male to female ***. The classic example is of course the prison '***'
3 - Crucially, you have quoted anecdotal scenarios. Obviously this can't be relied upon for the normal reasons, no controls, statistical issues with the sexes and categories of people you know/populate the same groups as you etc. Outside your anecdotal experience there could be a - for all we know - 50/50 female/male teabagging population, rendering it clearly heterosexual, to use your own standards of categorisation.
And that's the issue; you do not like it, fair enough we respect that, but really, there's no evidence to suggest it's anything but some people mucking about in a game.
Ultimately however, ZOS do make the rules, if they outlaw it, trivial as it is to most, that's just the way it goes.
Me personally, I think it's just a storm in a teacup.1
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